sberry
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It obviously helps and I understand the concept of making it last and do. I am all about that. But this isn't a racecar and runni g it within it's design parameters isn't abusing it, it's more efficient and improves transmission losses significantly. Like he said,, it's a pressure problem rather than a true demand issue.
In a busy shop I would also plumb in a second or unused equipment, got no argument with that but its kind of backwards trouble shooting. The performance would take another big leap with the machines set PROPERLY, would cycle a lot less especially with larger tanks.
As to pipe size,, yes above a certain threshold and larger is more helpful if the pressure is low, lower the pressure it's a bigger factor. I mention I have some 1/2 runs, can't tell any difference between them than the 3/4 because the pressure never falls below the output side of the regulator.
Somewhat similar to the concept of using 2 stage on oxygen bottle. As bottle pressure drops the output is stable. In air it makes up for transmission loss, the tool doesn't know how big the pipe is supplying the regulator as long as it sufficient,, it IS the reason it's used, can run a 3/8 hose in to the reg and 1/2 out. Same for gas but the steps and pressures are different margins, 3/8 line to a reg, 3/4 out.
Most,, loss, especially on 2 stage is in secondary, hoses and some fittings. From the comp , say 150#,, Got 5# drop on the main (Could be reduced to 2 with 3/4) and then 35 loss down the reel to the tool, the couple that could be gained on the main is totally irrelevant to operation but could chop the hose length in 1/2 and gain 20 on the end for free.
It's the beauty of 2 stage, simply turn it up a little and all the problems can be compensated for. We had engineer on one of these forums calculated some pos 400$ comp would work for him with 10% juice left over and then spend 4 grand, loops, all kinds of stuff trying to make up for what for what would have cost 400 more on a pos HF 2 stage comp would have done from a 3/8 hose.
In a busy shop I would also plumb in a second or unused equipment, got no argument with that but its kind of backwards trouble shooting. The performance would take another big leap with the machines set PROPERLY, would cycle a lot less especially with larger tanks.
As to pipe size,, yes above a certain threshold and larger is more helpful if the pressure is low, lower the pressure it's a bigger factor. I mention I have some 1/2 runs, can't tell any difference between them than the 3/4 because the pressure never falls below the output side of the regulator.
Somewhat similar to the concept of using 2 stage on oxygen bottle. As bottle pressure drops the output is stable. In air it makes up for transmission loss, the tool doesn't know how big the pipe is supplying the regulator as long as it sufficient,, it IS the reason it's used, can run a 3/8 hose in to the reg and 1/2 out. Same for gas but the steps and pressures are different margins, 3/8 line to a reg, 3/4 out.
Most,, loss, especially on 2 stage is in secondary, hoses and some fittings. From the comp , say 150#,, Got 5# drop on the main (Could be reduced to 2 with 3/4) and then 35 loss down the reel to the tool, the couple that could be gained on the main is totally irrelevant to operation but could chop the hose length in 1/2 and gain 20 on the end for free.
It's the beauty of 2 stage, simply turn it up a little and all the problems can be compensated for. We had engineer on one of these forums calculated some pos 400$ comp would work for him with 10% juice left over and then spend 4 grand, loops, all kinds of stuff trying to make up for what for what would have cost 400 more on a pos HF 2 stage comp would have done from a 3/8 hose.