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Security camera install. Looking for a do it myself

Pipanski

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These are in Dahuas pro line. I have two of their cheaper cameras on my chicken coop and the quality differences are huge. The cheaper ones are all plastic with plastic clips for example, and the better one is all metal with metal clips and an actual set screw to hold everything in place.
 
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Pipanski

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A very active and helpful vendor on https://ipcamtalk.com his handle is empiretecandy

He moves a lot of products on the forum and there are many, many happy customers. Even though they test the cameras they sell in house before the ship them, occasionally there will be an issue and he is quick to make it right. He also routinely gives discounted cameras or even free cameras to some forum members for testing purposes so that the rest of the forum can truly know what they are purchasing before they shell out the cash.

A lot of us on the forum recently purchased a new Dahua NVR thru him and there was an issue with it. With the help of some really smart forum members, he and they gathered info about it and he contacted Dahua which resulted in a new firmware that resolved the issue.
 

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Test cameras, yes. When they come out with a new one, most people, myself included, have no clue if it's worth the money. Even reviewing the technical data sheets on Dahua website most people with no background in camera optics have any idea what makes one camera better than another. By providing cameras to trusted members the rest of the community can get an unbiased review before they purchase. It's a win for everyone involved.

And my point was that he stands behind his products and will quickly make things right if there happens to be an issue. There aren't many issues that I've seen.
 

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a local shop for now. It helps that I still hold a certification from axis and still know plenty of people in the industry after being a service manager / system integrator for a number of years so I dont have to buy online everything stays local.
 

Tmart86

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Local is usually a good choice.

I'd be really curious to get some opinions on this camera at the $170 price point (note this includes 3 day fed ex shipping with tracking) from some of your technical contacts with Axis... More opinions is always a good thing.

http://www1.dahuasecurity.com/products/ipc-hdw5231r-z-3651.html

I'm tempted to try one as I'm going to start installing systems again in 3 months and thats why I tried swann. The problem is the lack of OEM support. I know theirs a need for a better price point but I wont sell something thats not reliable. Axis's companion line is a much nicer price point with $200 cameras and a $500 dvr/poe switch. The one thing i can say about the swann system is its 100% reliable its been running for over a year and never had a camera down etc it just doesnt impress me on the software side and I will not allow a customer to rely on 100% motion detection to trigger video like swann recommends.
 

Pipanski

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My Dahua cams have IVS events, which is my first experience with notifications and i don't know how common it is but I'll explain anyway.... but basically you can draw lines and boxes on the screen and it'll notify you based on if something crosses a line. You can also specify minimum sizes so birds and chipmunks don't set it off. It takes a lot of the fake alerts out of the equation, but it's not perfect either. One of my cameras is right underneath two trees and some days the wind and shadows send a lot of false alerts. But i can sift thru these easily enough from the free Dahua software on my computer. From what i understand thou, its way better than general "motion detection". Others on the forum have PIR sensors wired in that act as triggers too.
 

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Oh actually i got the non poe version of that nvr... 1) it was cheaper than the poe version (although not when you take into account i have 3 poe switches) , 2) i have 3 areas i wanted cameras all 150-250ft away from each other and instead of running cat5e back to the nvr for each camera i put a poe switch in my basement, barn and shed and just had to run one line from the switch to switch and can connect all the cameras locally to the switch they are near. Also have wireless access points on each switch so my whole property has wifi and 3) the nvr is in my office on second floor and the non poe NVR has one fan instead of two so it's quieter
 

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I wanted a security camera system just for security for my home. I'm very serious about security but I'm an average budget home owner. I installed the Samsung 8 camera 1080p kit with 2TB DVR from Sams Club for $350 SDH-B74081. All the cameras (SDC-9443BC) are 105 degree wide angle, metal body bullet cameras with a 3.6mm F2.1 lense and a 2MP CMOS. They are capable fof 1080p @ 30 FPS but the DVR only does 15 FPS @ 1080p. It'll do 30 FPS @ 720p.

From what I found, this is the best I could get for the price. I would've preferred to be able to customize the cameras to match the FOV and need for dome/bullet. The amount of cameras helps to mitigate that though because I can put two cameras on tough spots. The cables are 60' two connector BNC/+12v and not POE. I put all of the cameras on the side of the house high up or under the soffets. So all of the cables go into the attic. I'd like the DVR in the basement so I can hook it up to the TV but it was way easier to leave it up there. I just connected a $20 wifi router to it and I can access the images from my Android. The PC interface doesn't work however because my Internet explorer is broken or something. I can just unplug the DVR, bring it downstairs and plug it into the TV if I really need video. I guess it has some FTP capability too if I really need it.

It would've been nice to have some cameras that are slightly less conspicuous but thats really hard to do. At least these look nice but the neighbors have all noticed right away. One neighbor reacted badly and thinks I'm spying on them (across the street) so they installed new blinds on every window that didn't have them. The cameras are pointed down and not directly at their house but yes, I can see their driveway because of the 105' FOV. There's really no way to avoid that unless I put the cameras on poles or in the trees aiming at the house instead of being aimed at the approach/driveway etc. That's not a bad idea with a solar wifi camera but those would be like $300 each.

My other neighbor said she (elderly) feels better knowing there's cameras. Honestly, I think the neighbors are just going to have to get used to it. You're on camera everywhere and any perspective my cameras have is only what I might have looking with my naked eye. The night vision doesn't mean I can see their body heat or through walls and the wide angle means there's basically no detail past 10 feet.

As far as Samsung goes, the cameras are acceptable quality. Better than grainy gas station videos but not as good as my 5 MP smart phone camera. The DVR is Linux based and seems to be super easy to configure and setup. Like I said, the web interface ***** but the Android interface works for now. I have yet to try setting up DDNS, emails, FTP etc. I'm not trying to make this like a burglar alarm. Its pretty much just there in case something happens and also as a deterrent.

The DVR, camera power and router are all hooked up to a small APC BGE70 UPS in case the power is cut by a burglar etc. My house has a CT base meter with an off switch that anybody could just walk up and turn the power off with. I could probably build a fence or something around that side of the house but then the utility would occasionally need access. Eventually, I'd like to have the DVR secured somehow. I don't want to come home and find my house broken into AND all of the video evidence missing.
 

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thanks for the write-up JackAndy. like you, i'm looking for a decent, 4-8 cam budget system ($300-ish) too, so that rules out POE setups. that's too bad about the neighbors - i can see how someone would feel like they're being spied on, but i'd try & impress that you're using this in case something happens & you'll have it recorded, not that you're monitoring anyone's activities or being a busy-body.

i'm with your elderly neighbor - i'd feel better having a camera system set up. if someone tries to break in/steal packages/vandalizes/etc, they'll be a recording of it.
 

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Do any of these camera systems offer motion detection capabilities whereby you could get an alarm (cell phone notification or other) when motion is detected?

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Do any of these camera systems offer motion detection capabilities whereby you could get an alarm (cell phone notification or other) when motion is detected?

DC

The Samsung system supports that. Also you can set it to only record during motion. Additionally, you can create zones to ignore on the screen for motion detection. So you could block out a busy street but if something moves in your yard, it would record and possibly email you as well. Personally I'm not using that because all of my cameras are outside and I don't have a gate or fence so neighbor dogs run through the yard etc.
 

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My 8 camera eBay kit will be here tomorrow. Went with a 2tb hdd that I had to purchase separately. Still came in under 200
 

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Do any of these camera systems offer motion detection capabilities whereby you could get an alarm (cell phone notification or other) when motion is detected?

DC


Most systems are capable of doing this they will send emails. best way is to convert them to sms text messages by sending it to [email protected] no worries about delayed email push settings etc this way
 

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I picked up the Swann NVR set, 3MP camera set expandable up to 8. came with a 2TB drive, and can customize, alerts via email, can watch via phone or most any internet connection.
can set up zones to watch motion, can set schedule time to record and watch, etc, bells and whistles. and a clear video
 

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Any recomendations on a hikvison nrv with atleast 8 channels along with recommendations of 4mp cameras that work with it?
 

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I'm wondering how suitable these NVR systems would be to monitor a remote and mostly unoccupied location in a cold climate. I know some outdoor cameras can handle cold up to a point but what happens to the video recorder in freezing temperatures (my farm buildings are not heated over winter)?
 

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The cameras should be fine. My Samsung cameras haven't had any issues but the coldest its gotten is just below freezing so far. We haven't had any -40 days since I installed these. The actual DVR that the cameras connect to has to be in a conditioned environment however. It can't withstand extreme temperatures. The hardware isn't rated for that kind of service. You would need to create an enclosure with a heater and cooling fans with some sort of controller to regulate the temperature. At that point, it might be cheaper to just let your DVR go as long as it can and die, then replace it. It might last a year or 5 but the condensation will eventually cause corrosion on the board if you don't start getting individual component failures before then.
 

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I went for the 8ch model since I doubt I will expand much beyond that. Currently have a wireless system but want 24/7 recording for the perimeter. Starting with 2 cameras for now and will add 2 more shortly after I confirm this system works for me:

Hikvision NVR 4K POE 8ch - $349
http://amzn.to/2jZ6J13

2x DS-2CD2342WD-I - $118
http://amzn.to/2hNSoA1
 
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I went for the 8ch model since I doubt I will expand much beyond that. Currently have a wireless system but want 24/7 recording for the perimeter. Starting with 2 cameras for now and will add 2 more shortly after I confirm this system works for me:

Hikvision NVR 4K POE 8ch - $349
http://amzn.to/2jZ6J13

2x DS-2CD2342WD-I - $118
http://amzn.to/2hNSoA1

Be careful buying Hikvision off Amazon and Ebay. Go with an authorized dealer only to ensure they are not Chinese knock offs.
 

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Be careful buying Hikvision off Amazon and Ebay. Go with an authorized dealer only to ensure they are not Chinese knock offs.

I did my best to buy from sellers that confirmed they are US versions and will receive updates. If it aren't they are going straight back to amazon.
 
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