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SGIDave

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New guy here...first post...

I have started on a workshop/garage building project.

I would like to have a few cameras in/outside the building to monitor activity when I'm away. The building will have internet access.

I've looked online at camera systems...there is a bewildering array of choices. I look to GJ for real world experiences with your systems - good or bad...what you 'recommend.'

Thanks!

dave
 
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The search function is an excellent tool on almost every forum you are a member of. There is a decent amount of info already covered by a few members, studying the info they have provided would be your best bet.
 

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I have ARLO cameras and really like them. They are completely wireless which has advantages and disadvantages.

The only drawbacks are that you are limited to WIFI range and you have to recharge the batteries.

Having said that, I have no range issues and the batteries last a long time before needing a recharge. You get a free account to store your video clips for up to 5 cameras I believe. Also, the app is pretty easy to use.

New guy here...first post...

I have started on a workshop/garage building project.

I would like to have a few cameras in/outside the building to monitor activity when I'm away. The building will have internet access.

I've looked online at camera systems...there is a bewildering array of choices. I look to GJ for real world experiences with your systems - good or bad...what you 'recommend.'

Thanks!

dave
 

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Dependents on how spendy you are....
and what your current existing wiring or environment (can you pull new wires etc)

If best bang for the buck, those $800 systems at costco is pretty decent on the specs.... 4K cameras. networked...not sure how it performs, I think few people here have them...


Personally I like the HikVision stuff, but they are commie/come you stuff...... but they are a little bit more, and my stuff are bit outdated with coax...like I said , if you feel a little spendy there are other options... almost every mother of DVR/NVR offers a remote connection options, some packaged it a bit better on the setup side, others requires a bit more manual intervention (means you will have to manually port forward at your firewall/router and know the right port to forward, some offer cloud base setup..)... ..doesn't matter... your situation varies...
 

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My basic recommendations are IP power over ethernet, 24/7 recording. Resolution depends 4k is great but ive been staying with 1080p for most applications
 

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I'm testing a RING system at the moment... Using these:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GZX1JYT/?tag=atomicindus08-20

- Pretty good, but it doesn't feel well made at all.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0727XJQLD/?tag=atomicindus08-20

- works fantastically and seems to be made to a higher standard.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DM6BDA4/?tag=atomicindus08-20

- works really well...

I'm also testing this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D7Q6CHB/?tag=atomicindus08-20

- incredibly simple install and works really well with very little configuration.

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Thus far, I am liking the RING stuff but I do have reservations with cloud hosting security and Amazon. I will say it all seems to be pretty well thought out and works extremely well. I'm about a month into testing....

One thing I love - I have the spot light cam setup at the entrance to our property and I configured it to send a notification to our Amazon Echo in the kitchen if someone drives/walks onto the property. Pretty cool feature for a country dweller.
 
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Do you have to paid a monthly and how much ?, I know that other ARLO thing you have to pay....
 

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Do you have to paid a monthly and how much ?, I know that other ARLO thing you have to pay....

I think the basic ring package is $3 a month. If it’s a cloud hosted service, you are gonna have to pay something.
 

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I decided that I wanted to install a few cameras incase something turns up missing.. there are some town houses next door and it seems like people are always moving in/out.

I went with the Ubiquiti cameras. Cameras are POE so one cable can be used for power & data. I bought a POE network switch so my access points and cameres are all powered by the switch and then I bought a UPS so if I do lose power, everything stays powered up for about 45 minutes. They offer a network video recorder but I opted to install their software on my own server so that saved a few dollars. They also have an app for android/ios that is free, so that's a bonus.

https://www.ui.com/unifi-video/unifi-video-camera-g3/
This is type of camera that I have right now and overall I am happy with it.
 

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When the sun finally blew out my Nest Cam, I replaced it with an Arlo Pro system. To put it mildly, I'm very disappointed with the Arlo system and regret buying it. Yes, Arlo has a battery, but you lose functionality if it's not plugged in.

The basic package only records on motion detection, and the motion detection is both crudely implemented and has limited range. The Nest Cam recorded 24/7 so even if it didn't detect motion, the recording was still there for review. The motion detection on the Nest Cam analyzed for changes in pixels, not a PIR system like the Arlo. The difference - the Nest Cam actually caught the Northern lights a couple of times on motion detection. With the Arlo, I could drive my 3/4 ton 4x4 through it and not be detected.

To get 24/7 recording with Arlo costs $10/camera/month. You can plug a USB drive into the router, but there is no way to access the local storage while it is still attached to the router. And quite honestly, the app makes me feel like a beta tester in 2005. YMMV.
 
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within the last month i have bought 2 of the cheap 4 camera/DVR systems off amazon. set up was easy, dings my phone when theres activity and i went with a 2TB hard drive so it should have enough storage to look back on if i find there has been an issue. i bought one for my shop, and my dad liked it so well i got him one too for his house. i may add a few more cameras to mine. theres 8 ports total for extra cams. the cameras are quite clear, and the wiring is stout compared to another brand i have looked at . the app is free to remotley monitor, so no monthly dues

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VUVIH9Y/?tag=atomicindus08-20
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Amcrest PoE cameras offer a decent balance between image quality, price, and reliability. I use them with one of their NVR recorders and it never misses a beat. Motion detection works well. The iOS app is usable but leaves some things to be desired. Definitely not as slick as Nest or Arlo apps. However, I think for a true security setup it's hard to beat wired PoE cams, and local storage.

I'm also a big fan of Nest cameras, because the image quality with HDR is fantastic, and the app is good. But they are expensive and require a paid plan. And are wireless, so unless you really trust your WiFi, there could be possible reliability issues, and they take up a TON of bandwidth with the 24/7 recording.
 

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I just got the Arlo 3 camera system on Black Friday. It was a good deal. The cameras are 720 but I think they have good videos. You can add on up to 5 cameras I believe. Which I may do. The Pro and Pro 2 have 2 way audio that I like. The Pro 2 has higher resolution but I've read the video isn't that much better. I don't know. There is no fee for the basic service. I believe there is a fee for some kind of storage, etc. I;m not interested in that so didn't really investigate. You can store the video on your phone/computer for a good while. Research all your options and good luck.
 

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I have to agree with the others that said Nest. I have been with them for 6 years now (since they were known as Dropcam). I have been very pleased with them. They have been overall very reliable and the video is high quality.
 

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What is your budget? I have ubiquiti g3 cameras. I also do computer/nerdy stuff for work so everything is completely self-hosted. (meaning my video streams don't go to a cloud based service) I like the G3 pro and the little micro g3 too. Great products.
 

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My basic recommendations are IP power over ethernet, 24/7 recording. Resolution depends 4k is great but ive been staying with 1080p for most applications



Agree, wired is the way to go. Also record to a local DVR/NVR that backs up to something off-site.
 

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I third the IP POE route. Just got mine setup a few months ago. Went on new egg and 2 4K laview 4 camera systems with 8 channel nvr for 279 each. Took for cameras off one and moved it to the other and have an 8 camera system.
 

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I'll add on to the group suggesting the Nest. I can't say I've used anything else to compare it to, but it works very well. As someone else said, the motion detection is very sensitive, which is good. Video quality is very good.

And my favorite thing is the app works well and you can pair it in the app with other Nest devices so it's all very user friendly. I have the video doorbell too, and I can see all the video clips on my phone, and it alerts me when someone is at the door / when it sees motion, etc.

Overall I think it's a very nice system. Probably a little pricier than some of the other options, but I like it. And like any cloud storing you do have to pay a small fee (I think they have different plans depending on how long you want video stored).
 

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When the sun finally blew out my Nest Cam, I replaced it with an Arlo Pro system. To put it mildly, I'm very disappointed with the Arlo system and regret buying it. Yes, Arlo has a battery, but you lose functionality if it's not plugged in.

The basic package only records on motion detection, and the motion detection is both crudely implemented and has limited range. The Nest Cam recorded 24/7 so even if it didn't detect motion, the recording was still there for review. The motion detection on the Nest Cam analyzed for changes in pixels, not a PIR system like the Arlo. The difference - the Nest Cam actually caught the Northern lights a couple of times on motion detection. With the Arlo, I could drive my 3/4 ton 4x4 through it and not be detected.

To get 24/7 recording with Arlo costs $10/camera/month. You can plug a USB drive into the router, but there is no way to access the local storage while it is still attached to the router. And quite honestly, the app makes me feel like a beta tester in 2005. YMMV.



I have a single nest cam watching my front door/driveway and yard and i am really happy with it.

I like the 24/7 feature as well since I can see the main street that runs for our town so if there’s ever any sort of incident I have the entire day recording all the activity


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I have installed the Nest three pack of indoor cameras (from Best Buy) in my house in Illinois and my mother's house in Arizona. It's nice because I can use the mobile app on my phone to monitor both houses even when I am traveling for work.
 
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Here's what scares me about both Nest and Ring (or any other cloud security solution):

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nest-c...enities-at-couple-using-nest-camera-dad-says/

The way Google handled this yesterday was pretty bad in my opinion... They should have stressed password security while admitting to the problems they've already had.

I think a local solution is much more secure, but it will be much more expensive and maybe less reliable depending on your hardware.

I think regular folks are best off by picking an ecosystem (Ring, Nest, Arlo, Canary, etc...) and sticking with it. They just need to be very careful with passwords and access points.
 

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I have three Arlo Pro cameras, the basic service is free and comes with 10 GB of Cloud storage per month. I have yet to store anything for more than a few minutes. Both my wife and I get notified by the App, when they are triggered. If it is worth saving, any video I want to keep i forward to either email, my NAS, or iPhone.
The Motion sensor activation works great for what we use it for.
I do not want to pay for storage of "constant video" when I do not need it. I have every access point covered, and they are setup so they overlap in coverage. They have worked great for three years.
 

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I'm thinking about getting a camera for the garage and maybe the front door and a friend suggested looking at these. Pretty hard not to check out at $20 and $30 price points and free cloud storage. They only record to a cloud storage for the first 12 seconds of being triggered, although they will continuously record if you have a SD card installed in them.

Anyhow, reviews sound decent enough to check it out and if it doesn't suit my needs im only out $20.

https://www.wyzecam.com/
 

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I like the Arlos, but I don’t like that they use Adobe Flash, which is dying. Leaning towards Nest.
 

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I struggled with this a few months back. I went with a Lorex kit with 4k POE system. I like not having to pay a monthly fee to get my video and having alerts and access remotely. Plus how much more you could control and customize what the camera does and does not capture. Running the cable for me being single story will not be too difficult.
 

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I second the lorex. Just picked up a 6 camera system 4k Poe with DVR for under 660 shipped.
 

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I got mine during holiday sale and holiday code. $1600 system for $650.

NVR with 2tb hdd
2 4k with optical zoom
2 4k with audio
 

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I got mine during holiday sale and holiday code. $1600 system for $650.

NVR with 2tb hdd
2 4k with optical zoom
2 4k with audio

I think Costco is running a sale on a similar system right now with an 8 channel POE NVR and 6 cameras for $699.00.

If if my 1080P Q-see system wasn't working so well, I would buy that in a heartbeat. Not to mention, it would be a 1 hour install, since all my Cat6 wires are already run.
 

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That was the system I was going to get, but during the holidays I got one that comes with better cameras direct from Lorex. That is a great system and reviews are very good on it.
 

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One more vote for local IP PoE. As someone who has done nerdy consulting jobs for law enforcement: Do not let any of that outside of your domain/control. Copper for everything, keep everything local, host your own controllers and encrypt your backups to a random cloud service.


Security can be good: actual private security... We have four Unifi APs in our home. I have an SSID that is open and I record MAC addresses. I can tell which way up/down the street the neighbor is walking their dog (different access points can give signal strength, as person moves across my APs I know which way they are going). Last spring we had a group of kids graffiti some fences in the neighborhood. Police were able to cross reference MAC addresses that were registered at local public high school (you can guess that outcome).


Think of cameras in two ways: fake cameras deter as much as real cameras. Do you want to deter or do you want to record? (hidden small cameras vs. big-*** fake cameras that are obvious) Do you want to deter AND record --or just record?


Whatever you do, please for the love of god: understand your privacy and keep everything locally hosted.


Stupid example, not security camera related: I tried to throw a 30th bday party for my wife. I didn't even invite her friends, it was mostly her dad and all her family/aunts & uncles. She starts texting me "you said you are at Rob's (I lied to her) why are all the ecobee motion sensors turned on and why is the heat not going down" She was really worried because the dogs NEVER trip the sensors and our bedroom was tripped --we were using our bed for coats/bags. She flipped her **** and blew her own surprise party assuming the worst. She thought one of the doors was open or maybe someone was breaking in (we have an alarm) but who knows... maybe I was nailing the neighbor in the bedroom...


Careful what you wish for with cameras. Many of them have sound too. If you push any of that to cloud you should consider it public. If law enforcement can see your cameras from the street (public ground) they can get a judge to subpoena that info... and so can your ex-wife. Forget about cheating on your wife --what if your kids do something dumb?? Wouldn't you want the ability to "I tried to get it but idk what happened, I lost it, I'm sorry" vs. a 3rd party delivering a digital file to a prosecutor?


Great for some things... Not great for others. Understand what you are doing with cameras.

personally we have Unifi g3pro and mini cameras, they are great
 
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Thanks so much for all the suggestions. I'd like to keep overall cost in the $800 or less range. I like the idea of local hosting; that makes great sense. But I'm not nerdy...so I'll have to stumble through the set-up I guess.
 

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Local storage vs Cloud storage has some good and bad...

main advantage of local storage is price and no additional monthly fees.....
main disadvantage... well if something happens at the site, some one takes the hard disk etc... those are some of the considerations.... some DVR do have a function for you to send feeds to an external storage... off site some where else.... but that might be a more advance topic...

Cloud storage is going to cost you ...some monthly..... it's those additional monthly fees that I am shy away from, basically it's conveniences vs cost...
 

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Remember that to be useful, the recorded video must be usable. That sounds stupid, but if you can't see what you need to, when you view the recorded video, it is useless. I was a security consultant and can't remember how many times a client said "we have CCTV" but on viewing the recorded video, they couldn't tell the difference between me, and their own mother. Don't put a lot of faith on what you see when viewing live images, what counts is what you can see when viewing recorded video.

The combination of the camera lens and the imaging chip makes a tremendous difference, make sure that you know what you want to see before you purchase. Measure the distance from the camera lens to the target, and the width of the spot where your target is. The wider the field of view is, and the farther away from the camera it is, the better a camera/lens you will need. Know ahead of time whether you want to see clearly enough to identify who a person is, or merely know that someone is there. Do you want to know that a vehicle pulled into your drive, do you want to know what year/make/model car pulled into your driveway, or do you want to be able to read the license plate. Once you know this info, you can begin shopping.

Another real killer for video, and for cameras, is to have them positioned so that the rising, or setting, sun falls into the lens. First, that huge amount of light, called "backlighting" will wash out your image, and can make it unusable. Secondly, while the newer cameras are better at enduring the sun shining into them than the older ones were, the bright light will shorten the life of the image chip. I've seen cameras which "looked" at the same image for so long that the image was burnt into the chip, even with the power off, the image was still present. If your placement requires that the camera look into the sun, try to place it higher, above the ground, and tilt the camera downward to exclude the sun.

Storing video consumes a lot of disk space. How much space is controlled by the resolution of the video, the number of images stored and how long you want to keep the video. Realtime video is 30 images ( 60 frames ) per second, but that is huge. Dropping the image rate, saves space, but makes the video appear jumpy. If it is slow enough, you can entirely miss a fast moving object. If you plan to store your own video, buy something that can have additional drives added. If your combination of resolution and images/second doesn't allow you to store enough video, add a drive, or two. Also, if you add cameras, down the road, you'll be able to add storage space too. Remember, if something happens that you want to preserve the video of, you can copy it to a flash drive, or another disk drive. Some video recorders will let you mark video that you want to save, then they won't overwrite it, but generally, those aren't the models you can buy at Best Buy or Costco.

Lots of considerations, but I've rattled on too long, consult the web sites of the manufacturers of better cameras, ( AXIS, Pelco ) for tools to help you determine things like the lens size, focal length, image chip quality, and video retention, then shop for something with those parameters. Many of them also have storage drive size calculators too.

Good luck,




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Cool. Jim P knows his stuff. I learned a few things from that post. I have low voltage licenses in two states to install mostly Ethernet in office spaces but I've done some security camera installs too. Never once have I looked at it from the perspective of the security consultant... Maybe that's why I'm happy with expensive cameras...


dogdog, Local hosting doesn't have to mean physically local --just that you value privacy and you aren't farming out the entirety of your data to a 3rd party. I replicate a copy to AWS almost instantly. If power goes out or someone steals my hard drives I'll lose maybe 50 milliseconds worth of data. (I have batteries and backups, someone would have to physically steal drives to capture that 50ms)


I mean more that when you dump everything to the big companies anyone can request that data. It's borderline public. (I can sue you because I don't like the color of your pants.. it's borderline public --and the government has it)


Record locally and ship offsite via encrypted VPN and you have private data... Reliable private data.
 
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Hikvision 8) cameras, POE here with a 4TB NVR
Monitor, PC, phone interfaces
4 years in operation, no issues, great video and resolution
 
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I think Costco is running a sale on a similar system right now with an 8 channel POE NVR and 6 cameras for $699.00.

If if my 1080P Q-see system wasn't working so well, I would buy that in a heartbeat. Not to mention, it would be a 1 hour install, since all my Cat6 wires are already run.

Which Q-see system do you have? I bought a QS system many years ago that works 'ok' but about a year ago they stopped supporting the I-Phone app for some reason. Ive not updated my work phone just so I can view my cameras.

Also have never been able to log in remotely. I can log in but the live feed is just blank. Also had issues getting ports to open on spectrums modem. Finally bought my own and it works.

Ill never buy Qsee again.
 
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