Security Fasteners for R panel?

[mtgmike]

First time poster, long time lurker, etc.

Im replacing a poorly built exterior wall on a commercial building that requires a decent amount of security. Many difficulties have put me in a position that a metal r panel wall, with expanded metal, then plywood, then a stick built framed wall with insulation and sheetrock will be how its built. Id like the exterior wall to be a little tougher to get through than a typical shop wall, so Id like to at least use a security fastener to keep the opportunistic type from walking up with an impact driver and going to town.

What style would be the most obscure, or least likely for a thief to have a bit for? I tend to think the spanner style, but the twisted three pointed philips style might be the ticket as it may look like phillips if you just glance real quick...

Looks like bryce has some of their own design. Wonder if they are $1.50 each? This is a 80 ft long wall, btw.

Thoughts?

 

[DangerousDan55]

Stainless pop rivets.

 

[mtgmike]

Really? Huh, I wouldnt have thought that would would really provide any more protection.

I was thinking every other fastener on each crease being a reverse thread would be kind of funny.

 

[wrench409]

No matter what secure fastener you use, a common pair of tin snips can make an entrance.


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[bczygan]

Take a page from drug dealers, who line the walls of their houses with steel plate.

Or use cor-ten steel, which rusts to a beautiful patina, as the outer wall surface. Welded, not fastened.

 

[Lippyp]

Only sure way is to put up a brick/block wall really. Tin is tin and with a cordless grinder or sawzall someone can be through it in minutes if they really want to, rivets can be drilled out just as easily.

 

[wnstwolf]

Not to hijack thread but do you ever see people stealing bathroom partitions? Why the heck do they need security fasteners? That always bugged me and we all spend at least a few seconds of out lives staring at these walls thinking who will steal that????

That said those fasteners with the rubber washer that comes with standard tin fastener transferred over could be a cheap route.. I am sure McMaster sells em cheap with the tool to drive em..

 

[Neppo1345]

As a former locksmith let me give some advice.

If someone wants in, they are not going to take the time to remove fasteners.

Let me emphasize this with the following story.

Background: Local coin-op car wash in a semi rural setting. They had been broken into and contacted us for help. Door to mechanical room had been smashed in, thieves made off with quarters and some equipment.

-We supplied them with steel door, quality locksets (schlage 6-pins) and suggested they install a security system.

The following month they called us, thieves had used a pipe wrench to wrench over the deadbolts and gained entry.

-We supplied them with Medeco deadbolts (spin resistant), and custom cut 1/4 inch steel plates that protected the deadbolts from drilling and spinning and extended over the latch/striker area to help prevent prying attacks. They installed a security system with door open/closed sensors.

The following month they called again. They had been broken into. The thieves had taken what appeared to be a fire axe to the door and without success had taken the axe or a sledge to the cinder block adjacent to the door and created a 4x3 hole. Big enough to make off with a couple buckets of quarters and some equipment. Security system never operated because door was never opened.

-We gave the owner our sympathy.

 

[G_P]

Not to hijack thread but do you ever see people stealing bathroom partitions? Why the heck do they need security fasteners? That always bugged me and we all spend at least a few seconds of out lives staring at these walls thinking who will steal that????

That said those fasteners with the rubber washer that comes with standard tin fastener transferred over could be a cheap route.. I am sure McMaster sells em cheap with the tool to drive em..

Nobody really steals them, but people LOVE to vandalize them. If they had normal fasteners you would have people removing screws just for the hell of it. When I worked at home depot we put some coat hooks on the inside of the stall doors and used self tapping hex head screws. Within a week half were unscrewed and the hooks were thown in the toilets clogging them. People are assholes. We finally drilled through the doors and put carraige bolts with locknuts and red loctite on them. Over time the nuts got all torn up from people trying to remove them with leatheman tools and such and then they just resorted to snapping the hooks off and using the jagged end to carve profanities into the stall walls. People will vandalize just about anything just because they think they can get away with it.

 

[kbs2244]

Do they make carriage bolts in the super tough steel that resist grinding?
Maybe just Stainless?
I like them for security because of the smooth heads that you cannot get a "bite" on.