lalaland
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Looks like Im done here.
Jacob
Jacob
See you later everyone
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american lockpicker
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Bye. I hope you try better the next time.
Kirbot
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Hmm, how shall I say this without... overstepping my bounds?
I suspect people don't need a song to remember you by.
Your childish remarks like what you said about a harborfreight store, to an employee of said store, are enough.
I suspect people don't need a song to remember you by.
Your childish remarks like what you said about a harborfreight store, to an employee of said store, are enough.
It is my opinion that Jacob/Ark is a good guy at his core. I could be wrong, but that's my feeling.
Let's just let the waters grow calm again. Sadly, Scotty returned in the form of a bull and had to beam him up to the mother ship.
Let's just let the waters grow calm again. Sadly, Scotty returned in the form of a bull and had to beam him up to the mother ship.
Kirbot
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Dude, you are hard to figure out.
I made it pretty clear I don't much like people who go out of their way to "stir the pot" or people who bash other people's tools, or people who insult somebody's job like that.
And yet I get a friend request from you seconds before the ban hammer fell.
I'm sure we haven't heard the last of you, but if/when you join again, don't post in your own old topic, promoting yourself.
That, was at very least, a silly thing to do.
I made it pretty clear I don't much like people who go out of their way to "stir the pot" or people who bash other people's tools, or people who insult somebody's job like that.
And yet I get a friend request from you seconds before the ban hammer fell.
I'm sure we haven't heard the last of you, but if/when you join again, don't post in your own old topic, promoting yourself.
That, was at very least, a silly thing to do.
tatra
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i miss the pros like robert g.................
Pug}{maN
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seems to be lots of this tonight...
HOTFR8
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I have no idea what this topic is about. Bull would you kindly care to explain ?
Arkangel was back with us for a while, but outed himself today.
Kirbot
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Not bull, but see the topic below.
http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74298
The banned arkangel06 and lalaland turned out to be one in the same.
Lotek
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Troll got the boot...meh
There are others on here who should not be on here. You only find them if they keep to their old habits. Otherwise, how would we ever know?
Kirbot
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I finally sat through some of that song.
Honestly, remembering lalaland for that song, is even worse than remembering him for his posts.
I like a lot of music, but I despise rap...
I guess if they keep their old habits, they'll eventually get banned again anyway.
If they don't, while still aggravating to know their back, atleast their not doing whatever it was that got them banned.
Honestly, remembering lalaland for that song, is even worse than remembering him for his posts.
I like a lot of music, but I despise rap...
I guess if they keep their old habits, they'll eventually get banned again anyway.
If they don't, while still aggravating to know their back, atleast their not doing whatever it was that got them banned.
this is true. a whole field of science is dedicated to the analysis of human behavioral patterns. and old habits are one of the biggest tell-tale ways of identifying a particular person ( i should really watch fewer cop shows.)
Kirbot
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I just noticed one of his posts has been deleted.
Thank you Bull, or whichever mod did it.
Thank you Bull, or whichever mod did it.
No way; you've never even been in trouble on here, despite your naturally hellraising attitude 
hey bull, i am the same old guy. you trying to tell me something?
No way; you've never even been in trouble on here, despite your naturally hellraising attitude
i thought it was my charming personality?
in all honesty newbies. i don't care how many posts you have, if you have only been around 12 months or so you are a newbie. i was one of you once upon a time. i consider myself a middle ager now.
i am still friends with a bunch of those "banned" guys at other places. some of them are cantankerous old sob's but they have knowledge a mile wide and hearts as big if you get to know them. some of them have forgotten more than i will ever know and it is a shame you don't know them. just because they don't like hf, duralast or made up stories does not make them bad guys. i hope some day you will understand. mrshaun
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i was just wondering what had happened to him. Glad to see he is going again.
GrayFox
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i thought it was my charming personality?
in all honesty newbies. i don't care how many posts you have, if you have only been around 12 months or so you are a newbie. i was one of you once upon a time. i consider myself a middle ager now.
the way I see it. It takes more concentration to listen/read than to speak.
just because they don't like hf, duralast or made up stories does not make them bad guys.
I think calling them bad people is strong but i definetly think they have superiority complexes. When i first joined here nobody could make a posting about HF or GW or any other asian tool without getting chastised for it. It was ridiculous and i personally stopped frequenting the forum because of it.
i believe there are quite a few of those people who were not banned but choose not to post here anymore because they cant have a civil conversation without dropping insults about someones choice of tool brand or where they shop so who's in the wrong?
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I'm sure Ark would agree with you on that
There's been quite a few folks who've maybe gone a little too far on both sides of the USA vs. chicom debate. What pisses me off is it appears to be OK to bash the truck brands, who all still sell at least some USA product but can't anyone be mean about the chicom brands.
Arks latest banning is a prime example. He'd been up to his old tricks in MAC threads for a while but didn't get banned until he was mean to a freighter.
mkdive
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good posting SK.....I have been here about as long. I fall somewhere in the same area. I jump from "place to place". I keep friendly on all sides.....and I understand both sides. The "lost boys" although might step on toes....know their tools, and have been around the block.
I agree on the noob statement.....lots of members on here now that chime in on threads (with some pretty bold comments), yet carry a whopping 25 post count and have not contributed a whole heck of a lot except some pot stirring. I agree, I will consider those of you who have been here for a year or so a noob also.
I agree on the noob statement.....lots of members on here now that chime in on threads (with some pretty bold comments), yet carry a whopping 25 post count and have not contributed a whole heck of a lot except some pot stirring. I agree, I will consider those of you who have been here for a year or so a noob also.
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cowchaser
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Being new here I don't know what the deal is. I know I can be an idiot and ask a lot of questions so if you see me starting to do something wrong just slap the **** out of me or if I am starting to irritate you. I think you guys have all been great and helpful. I haven't ran into any of the ***holes that want to just make fun or put me down like on other forums.
It's refreshing even a new guy can get help here without being made to look like an idiot.
It's refreshing even a new guy can get help here without being made to look like an idiot.
GeorgiaHybrid
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SK,
Thanks for that post...I have gotten sideways with Bull a few times over the HF Chicom tools vs high priced USA truck tools myself. I still think this site has gone from a pro American stance to a pro Chicom stance but I just don't bother reading anything on here about HF anymore. I do wish that a thread that starts about a question involving a choice between Mac, Matco, Snap-on, Cornwell or other American brands would not have 40 people jump in saying that HF, Durolast, Princess Auto, Gearwrench, etc. is "just as good".
Most of those posters have very few (if any) tool truck branded tools but damn sure know how to bash them for being too high priced, not any better, bad chrome or any other issues. Try doing that in a HF lovefest thread....
I will admit that some of the "other" guys were VERY pro American (is that a bad thing today?) but as you noted, they offered a wealth of knowledge about a wide array of topics. I haven't been on this site very long but I do miss the sometimes caustic comments that they offered as they added a little spice to the conversations.
I still get to read and ask them things at other forums so that knowledge is still available to me but a lot of the newer posters do not have an idea what they are missing.
Thanks for that post...I have gotten sideways with Bull a few times over the HF Chicom tools vs high priced USA truck tools myself. I still think this site has gone from a pro American stance to a pro Chicom stance but I just don't bother reading anything on here about HF anymore. I do wish that a thread that starts about a question involving a choice between Mac, Matco, Snap-on, Cornwell or other American brands would not have 40 people jump in saying that HF, Durolast, Princess Auto, Gearwrench, etc. is "just as good".
Most of those posters have very few (if any) tool truck branded tools but damn sure know how to bash them for being too high priced, not any better, bad chrome or any other issues. Try doing that in a HF lovefest thread....
I will admit that some of the "other" guys were VERY pro American (is that a bad thing today?) but as you noted, they offered a wealth of knowledge about a wide array of topics. I haven't been on this site very long but I do miss the sometimes caustic comments that they offered as they added a little spice to the conversations.
I still get to read and ask them things at other forums so that knowledge is still available to me but a lot of the newer posters do not have an idea what they are missing.
The only truck brand that i've seen people vocally abusive toward here is MAC. Other than that, i think the only problem with truck tools people have are the price, then its mostly praise. Is suggesting a duralast ratchet to someone just starting out such a bad thing as opposed to dropping $100 for functionally the same tool?
As far as the OP, firstly he was already banned. Second he was clearly asking for it to happen again. Going into a thread started by someone who works in a HF and saying "your store looks like ****" or something to that effect is just plain disrespectful. Back in the real world thats exactly the kind of attitude that gets your face smashed in. I'd expect a banning to result for anyone who tells one of the truck tool venders that their stock is **** to recieve the same treatment but i've never once seen that happen.
Quite the contrary actually most truck tool threads contain cordial posts and kind words and normal conversation. Take copterdoctor's recent thread for example
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89413
do you see one person suggesting chinese tools? do you see any vender bashing? There are tons of examples like his thread. That is NOT what happened in a GW, let alone HF, thread a year ago and even still happens sometimes today [to a lesser degree]. Mrholeshots thread about said duralast ratchet is a prime example, it imploded with people arguing that duralast ratchets could not possibly be anything more than cheap garbage even though they'd probably never seen one let alone used one. Mrholeshot even pulled his review due to the bickering. Now i dont know about you, but i think a forum that cant tolerate a friendly review done freely by one of its members *****. Compare that to threads like copterdoctors, complete polar opposites.
And keep in mind it was worse back then. The mere mention of asians tools triggered a pile on by a vocal few who could not contain their opinion that everything that comes out of Asia is evil, wrong, and anyone who purchases something is bad for doing so. GJ is certainly better place cleaned up of such.
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ZRX61
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I left one board (yes, left, not banned) & they suspected I might go back under a different name.. this has lead to them banning 3 new members that I'm aware of because they live within 50 miles of here & the admins suspect it's me....
LOL... Telling someone that there tools are junk based on Price is no different that telling someone that they overpaid for Truck tools because they are drunk on Kool-Aid, Wasting There Money or need to feel better about themselves by overpaying for tools. Im not gonna sit here and say all the Truck tool threads go down like that.. But if you are gonna Reference 1 thread and say it doesnt happen and the conversations are "cordial and full of Kind words" that makes me Laugh... If people would learn to give there opinion on tools versus trying to impose it on other members this would be a much better place in all aspects..
mkirkpatrick
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I am going to chime in on this for what it is worth. The biased goes both ways and like Hiball said if you think that the truck threads are all ata boys and slaps on the back and how great the Koolaid is your not reading them. I have read many threads bashing dealers, cost, warranty, etc. There are people that are full of themselves on the import side of the argument that do the same type of things that the lost boys where banned for. Can't we just learn to get along, if you don't like a tool, don't post anything in the thread, read the threads that interest you. It's kind of like watching tv, if you don't like what is on turn the channel, or you can always write a letter to the station or the FCC.
Sorry got a little carried away. just my .02 worth
like it or not your name speaks wisdom, knowledge and experiance but your post count says otherwise. nothing wrong with that but a persons join date and post count speak volumes. yes there are those who have 1000 plus posts but no long term experiance and those with low counts that are long time members. the short timers here think that posting pages of drivel in a short time make you an expert. they should spend some time listening, reading and less time speaking
this sight was built on the shoulders of guys like eschoendorf, wilbilt, paramudduck, krusty the klown, uncle buck, merkava and countless others. these are guys with real world experiance and lifetimes of knowledge. even a guy by the name of chief blackhawk who knows a thing or two. there are still quite a few of those guys hanging out here but they mostly hang in the shadows now. not as welcome as they used to be.
will some of these new guys acheive those same lofty positions? who knows? i would hope so, but for some reason building your reputation on a box full of import stuff and claiming it is the best investment you could make is not a good move and not a badge of honor. i also think oweing your soul to a truck brand is not a good move just to be fair. i own plenty of mac, s-o, bonney, cman, matco, sk, blackhawk, proto, gearwrench and even some h-f stuff. there is some good and bad to all of it. hell, i am starting to ramble and rant but the jist of it is this.
hang around, ask questions, listen, think your advice over before you give it. stick to the facts and don't embellish the story. you earn respect with time, valuabale input and the ability to play with others. not huge post counts of drivel in a short time. take my advice for what it is worth wich to some is probably damn little. but, i suspect those that i speak of won't understand what i just said.
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quattrojon
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like it or not your name speaks wisdom, knowledge and experiance but your post count says otherwise. nothing wrong with that but a persons join date and post count speak volumes. yes there are those who have 1000 plus posts but no long term experiance and those with low counts that are long time members. the short timers here think that posting pages of drivel in a short time make you an expert. they should spend some time listening, reading and less time speaking
this sight was built on the shoulders of guys like eschoendorf, wilbilt, paramudduck, krusty the klown, uncle buck, merkava and countless others. these are guys with real world experiance and lifetimes of knowledge. even a guy by the name of chief blackhawk who knows a thing or two. there are still quite a few of those guys hanging out here but they mostly hang in the shadows now. not as welcome as they used to be.
will some of these new guys acheive those same lofty positions? who knows? i would hope so, but for some reason building your reputation on a box full of import stuff and claiming it is the best investment you could make is not a good move and not a badge of honor. i also think oweing your soul to a truck brand is not a good move just to be fair. i own plenty of mac, s-o, bonney, cman, matco, sk, blackhawk, proto, gearwrench and even some h-f stuff. there is some good and bad to all of it. hell, i am starting to ramble and rant but the jist of it is this.
hang around, ask questions, listen, think your advice over before you give it. stick to the facts and don't embellish the story. you earn respect with time, valuabale input and the ability to play with others. not huge post counts of drivel in a short time. take my advice for what it is worth wich to some is probably damn little. but, i suspect those that i speak of won't understand what i just said.
Everything you have said rings true.
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