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dnschmidt

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I've been going to SEMA for 20 years. It has sucked more each year for the last 10. You can't park (once upon a time it was free in the Green Lot), you can't hail a cab without walking 2 miles, and the shuttle busses only stop at "SEMA selected hotels" which of course start at $400 per night. What was once fun is now just another pain in the ***. AAPEX still has value as a REAL trade show. But SEMA is just like the rest of Vegas (glitz and glamour with no substance and a total rip-off) If James Brown was still alive they probably would have him do "Living in America" just like the Rocky film. I'm never going back.
 
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It’s the same with a lot of these trade shows.

They price themselves progressively upwards, assuming that everybody attending is on an expense account. When the revenue falls, they raise the prices further, till they price themselves out of existence.

I don’t know SEMA, but if you think it’s bad, compare to Basel World, formerly the big event of the Swiss watchmaking world. Visitors there probably had deeper pockets but they priced themselves out of existence too.

Ably assisted by the hoteliers putting up prices when the show was on, restaurants likewise, etc etc!

Eventually someone else comes along, restores the original format, and off you go again!
 

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I haven't been to Vegas in 15? years, but even then, a room in a newer hotel on the strip was $300+ if there was a convention going on; and there's almost always a convention going on in Vegas. Even rooms that were 5-10 miles away in a crappy motel were over $120 on the nights I was there.
 

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It’s the same with a lot of these trade shows.

They price themselves progressively upwards, assuming that everybody attending is on an expense account. When the revenue falls, they raise the prices further, till they price themselves out of existence.

I don’t know SEMA, but if you think it’s bad, compare to Basel World, formerly the big event of the Swiss watchmaking world. Visitors there probably had deeper pockets but they priced themselves out of existence too.

Ably assisted by the hoteliers putting up prices when the show was on, restaurants likewise, etc etc!

Eventually someone else comes along, restores the original format, and off you go again!

"Whatever the market will bear". The same thing is happening to the ski industry in Colorado, and I'm sure other states. Lift tickets are so high it'd cost at least a typical car payment, if not two, to take a family of four skiing on a Saturday. I was sitting next to a guy that worked for one of the major CO resorts and he said they were laying off 15% of their workforce.
 

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I don’t know SEMA, but if you think it’s bad, compare to Basel World, formerly the big event of the Swiss watchmaking world. Visitors there probably had deeper pockets but they priced themselves out of existence too.
Had to stay in Freiburg and commute in via train one year when a work meeting collided w Basel World. New employees don’t know of that hassle.

We were in Vegas last month, and while our hotel room didn’t change much from same time 7 years ago, almost everything else went up batshit crazy amounts, and charging $$ for most everything. Only the Deuce bus was a reasonable deal, if you didn’t mind slow and crowded. The flat rate taxi to and from the airport wasn’t bad either. We walked a lot . Free shows like the Mirage and TI were closed, and Bellagio fountains were blocked for F1 stands. Supposedly F1 was threatening to put up barricades in front of hotels who didn’t pay the blackmail fee.
 
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Nothing good lasts forever. The money grubbers will ALWAYS find a way to **** it up. 40 years ago the Eagles wrote a song called "The Last Resort" in reference to California. The key line is: Call someplace paradise, kiss it goodbye. It's happening here in Phoenix as well.
 

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40 years ago the Eagles wrote a song called "The Last Resort" in reference to California. The key line is: Call someplace paradise, kiss it goodbye.
That's why I was in Vegas, and they didn't play it. And damn it, almost 50 years ago.
 

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I've been going to SEMA for 20 years. It has sucked more each year for the last 10. You can't park (once upon a time it was free in the Green Lot), you can't hail a cab without walking 2 miles, and the shuttle busses only stop at "SEMA selected hotels" which of course start at $400 per night. What was once fun is now just another pain in the ***. AAPEX still has value as a REAL trade show. But SEMA is just like the rest of Vegas (glitz and glamour with no substance and a total rip-off) If James Brown was still alive they probably would have him do "Living in America" just like the Rocky film. I'm never going back.
I live in Vegas not involved in the convention or tourism side of things but could not agree more.
The prices these casino's charge for drinks and food prices are outrageous.
The strip has a bunch of gang bangers and thugs on it not safe at night to walk it.

Its a shame Vegas used to be a good deal/value but the corporations took over and got greedy.
 

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I've been going to SEMA for 20 years. It has sucked more each year for the last 10. You can't park (once upon a time it was free in the Green Lot), you can't hail a cab without walking 2 miles, and the shuttle busses only stop at "SEMA selected hotels" which of course start at $400 per night. What was once fun is now just another pain in the ***. AAPEX still has value as a REAL trade show. But SEMA is just like the rest of Vegas (glitz and glamour with no substance and a total rip-off) If James Brown was still alive they probably would have him do "Living in America" just like the Rocky film. I'm never going back.
Where did you stay?
 

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I'm surprised that so many trade shows keep on keepin' on, although maybe we're in an era where they all die off.

In my own industry, there was a big drop of interest in the things, although a bit of post-COVID rebound. Thing is, a good website goes a really long way in selling stuff, and there's been a tendency to narrow down to fewer (and much larger) resellers. Generally, maybe the tendency towards gigantization/maturation of manufacturing companies, big fish eat little fish, gives you less reason to display on a show floor. I don't expect to ever run into something like COMDEX from decades ago again.

And heaven help you if you want to vacuum your own booth.
 

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I was at a trade show in a couple of weeks ago. No issues for us walking at night, the surprise for me was the impact the F1 race is having, and the magnitude of the temporary structures they are building.
 

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I haven't been to Vegas in 15? years, but even then, a room in a newer hotel on the strip was $300+ if there was a convention going on; and there's almost always a convention going on in Vegas. Even rooms that were 5-10 miles away in a crappy motel were over $120 on the nights I was there.

I don't think you can get a room for $120 in any major city without it being a fleabag motel on the outskirts. Feels like almost any mid-range chain hotel with any decent location is now $200 and up.
 

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Influencer culture is ruining everything. Including/especially mechanical and trades-related stuff. I'm a welding engineer and inspector by background, currently in the nuclear industry, sit on AWS committees, etc., and I can hardly stand to follow welding industry companies (including AWS) on places like Linkedin anymore. There is almost zero focus on serious welding that actually gets useful things built, but rather obsession over metal art, poorly engineered and built custom vehicles, and pure cosmetics. If you're a girl who tacks pieces of junk together to look like an animal and post in on Instagram, the industry will fall all over themselves to give you stuff. As it relates to trade shows, even Fabtech gets overrun with influencers making content and supposed "celebrity welders" especially at the big name booths.
 
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Shocking that businesses are in business to make money.
Until you piss off the people that actually buy **** from you. I set up Eric O. with Astro Pneumatic (you can call him and influencer if you wish) and this relationship has been beneficial to both as Eric (who can break anything which is why I supplied him with TOPTUL tools because I knew if he couldn't **** them up they were good) tests tools for Chris and even invented the Subaru ball joint tool Astro now sells. Astro uses Eric as a field tester (finding these is harder than you might think) and Eric promotes Astro if he likes the tool and tells them and his audience if he doesn't (an example of one he doesn't like is the pneumatic slide hammer Astro recently introduced as he considers it weak sauce.). Just giving **** to people so that they can open the box and tell the world how great it is - now that's ********.
 

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I don't think you can get a room for $120 in any major city without it being a fleabag motel on the outskirts. Feels like almost any mid-range chain hotel with any decent location is now $200 and up.

This was 15 years ago. But yes, I agree otherwise. At that time the max government rate they'd pay was something like $120-$140 a nite; which is what the dumps were in Vegas that week. I said I wasn't staying in a dump for work travel, so if you want me to go, get me a decent room on the strip. Our admin made some calls, got some type of waiver. There was a massive construction and concrete equipment convention the days i needed to go, rooms were scarce, but she got me a nice room. 👍
 

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Shocking that businesses are in business to make money.
If the consumer thinks a business thoroughly screwed them on price, or otherwise took advantage of them, then that consumer might look elsewhere, even if the business provides other items that consumer thinks are well priced, or which they would prefer to purchase.
This doesn’t apply to all consumers, but it does apply to a large enough percentage of consumers, that charging “the maximum amount possible” is a bad idea, unless the seller is a fly by night operation, that only exists temporarily, or only is in a certain place for a limited amount of time.
(Think the Carnies in Huck Finn)
 

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I've been going to SEMA for 20 years. It has sucked more each year for the last 10. You can't park (once upon a time it was free in the Green Lot), you can't hail a cab without walking 2 miles, and the shuttle busses only stop at "SEMA selected hotels" which of course start at $400 per night. What was once fun is now just another pain in the ***. AAPEX still has value as a REAL trade show. But SEMA is just like the rest of Vegas (glitz and glamour with no substance and a total rip-off) If James Brown was still alive they probably would have him do "Living in America" just like the Rocky film. I'm never going back.
I went to SEMA and AAPEX last year and the year before...The first time I drove out from L.A. in the morning and got to Vegas at about 8:00....Parking was a **** show, and expensive. Harrah's was a shithole.

The next year, I hopped on a plane of out Long Beach at 7AM and caught an Uber to the AAPEX show when I landed....I got the show 2 hours after I left my house lol. Caught the last flight back to LB that night. $69 round trip. Slept in my own bed, then woke up and did it again the next morning.

You're in Phoenix...the same thing might work for you, although PDX is a bit more busy than LGB.
 

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If the consumer thinks a business thoroughly screwed them on price, or otherwise took advantage of them, then that consumer might look elsewhere, even if the business provides other items that consumer thinks are well priced, or which they would prefer to purchase.
This doesn’t apply to all consumers, but it does apply to a large enough percentage of consumers, that charging “the maximum amount possible” is a bad idea, unless the seller is a fly by night operation, that only exists temporarily, or only is in a certain place for a limited amount of time.
(Think the Carnies in Huck Finn)

Until you piss off the people that actually buy **** from you. I set up Eric O. with Astro Pneumatic (you can call him and influencer if you wish) and this relationship has been beneficial to both as Eric (who can break anything which is why I supplied him with TOPTUL tools because I knew if he couldn't **** them up they were good) tests tools for Chris and even invented the Subaru ball joint tool Astro now sells. Astro uses Eric as a field tester (finding these is harder than you might think) and Eric promotes Astro if he likes the tool and tells them and his audience if he doesn't (an example of one he doesn't like is the pneumatic slide hammer Astro recently introduced as he considers it weak sauce.). Just giving **** to people so that they can open the box and tell the world how great it is - now that's ********.
It's called advertising. It's no different than a car company putting a commercial on TV or in a magazine. Just because it's advertising to a market that some here don't like because of their sanctimonious belief that certain people shouldn't be catered to by tool companies if they are not in a traditional tool driven industry doesn't mean it's ********. I can guarantee giving the right schmuck a free whatever to unbox is way less expensive and probably way more effective than lots of other things companies spend advertising dollars on. And I made no mention of charging more for something. That's exactly the opposite of what opening new market segments is aimed at doing. You increase sales by selling to markets where you previously had no sales and many of those markets are now influenced by influencers. That's why they are influencers. Finding new markets allows you to not increase prices.
 

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The Progressive Motorcycle Shows died a similar death due to the organizer's greed.

For the show-goers, the unwashed rabble who just wanted to walk around and look at and buy motorcycle stuff, the costs didn't change all that much. Ticket prices went up a bit, but generally stayed reasonable.

But in the space of a few years, the costs for the booth spaces were raised dramatically. And so the number of exhibitors went down dramatically, because no one (even the title sponsor, Progressive insurance) actually makes all that much money in the US motorcycle industry.

Dozens of small companies making and selling really interesting, unique products, many little more than a good idea and a guy in his garage, were priced right out. And the death spiral began.

Fewer riders went to the shows because there weren't many exhibitors, and the ones that were there stopped offering show discounts, stopped giving out good swag, and generally drastically cut costs in order to afford a booth.

As ticket sales decreased, the organizers increased booth costs to make up for the shortfall, and the whole thing shriveled and died.

They tried to blame COVID (there were attempts at outdoor shows in 2021), but it was pretty much dead by 2019; half the booths were Chinese **** unrelated to motorcycling, like pork rinds, magic insoles, sunglasses, tacky cheap leather vests, t-shirts, mall ninja junk, vegetable slicers, and the like, and even then the show covered less than half the space.

I was a regular at the Chicago shows for many years. Not much else to do in February, and I always showed up with money I was itching to spend on the plentiful show deals. The last few years, the show deals and unique products had entirely dried up, and I didn't manage to spend a dime.

Here's hoping SEMA doesn't kill the goose like that...
 

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The Progressive Motorcycle Shows died a similar death due to the organizer's greed.

For the show-goers, the unwashed rabble who just wanted to walk around and look at and buy motorcycle stuff, the costs didn't change all that much. Ticket prices went up a bit, but generally stayed reasonable.

But in the space of a few years, the costs for the booth spaces were raised dramatically. And so the number of exhibitors went down dramatically, because no one (even the title sponsor, Progressive insurance) actually makes all that much money in the US motorcycle industry.

Dozens of small companies making and selling really interesting, unique products, many little more than a good idea and a guy in his garage, were priced right out. And the death spiral began.

Fewer riders went to the shows because there weren't many exhibitors, and the ones that were there stopped offering show discounts, stopped giving out good swag, and generally drastically cut costs in order to afford a booth.

As ticket sales decreased, the organizers increased booth costs to make up for the shortfall, and the whole thing shriveled and died.

They tried to blame COVID (there were attempts at outdoor shows in 2021), but it was pretty much dead by 2019; half the booths were Chinese **** unrelated to motorcycling, like pork rinds, magic insoles, sunglasses, tacky cheap leather vests, t-shirts, mall ninja junk, vegetable slicers, and the like, and even then the show covered less than half the space.

I was a regular at the Chicago shows for many years. Not much else to do in February, and I always showed up with money I was itching to spend on the plentiful show deals. The last few years, the show deals and unique products had entirely dried up, and I didn't manage to spend a dime.

Here's hoping SEMA doesn't kill the goose like that...
One would think this might be the main reason the trade show died off. :dunno:
 

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It's the same across the board. A number of years ago, home shows were really interesting and packed. Woodworker shows were, relatively, well attended. County Fair was full of vendors and exhibits. Even before Covid, they all went way downhill.

We used to always go to the LA County Fair on opening day and you could easily spend the morning and afternoon wandering. Last time we went, several years ago, we were in and out in about 2 hours. Half the buildings were empty and some of the populated ones were only partially filled.

The last woodworker show I went to was so bad I left after about 45 minutes and that was being generous with my wandering.
 

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I live in Vegas not involved in the convention or tourism side of things but could not agree more.
The prices these casino's charge for drinks and food prices are outrageous.
The strip has a bunch of gang bangers and thugs on it not safe at night to walk it.

Its a shame Vegas used to be a good deal/value but the corporations took over and got greedy.

Lol the town the Mob built didn't get greedy until the corps got involved.

Influencer culture is ruining everything. ...lAs it relates to trade shows, even Fabtech gets overrun with influencers making content and supposed "celebrity welders" especially at the big name booths.
Lol what is a celebrity welder??
 

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I'll show my age and say that Vegas was awesome in the 1990s. Rooms in a new hotel on the strip were dirt cheap. Giant room with a jacuzzi, and a great view, for what you'd pay for a standard Hampton room just off the interstate 30 miles outside of someplace like Kansas City. And free tickets to a Broadway quality show in the Vegas hotel (and I've seen many Broadway shows); but the show girls in Vegas had no tops on. And were on ice skates. I know. It does sound stupid, but if you were there.... :ROFLMAO: Aaaah, the good old days!

And then it all went to hell. I guess they figured out that we weren't spending enough gambling and had to triple the room price. My bad.
 

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It's the same across the board. A number of years ago, home shows were really interesting and packed. Woodworker shows were, relatively, well attended. County Fair was full of vendors and exhibits. Even before Covid, they all went way downhill.

We used to always go to the LA County Fair on opening day and you could easily spend the morning and afternoon wandering. Last time we went, several years ago, we were in and out in about 2 hours. Half the buildings were empty and some of the populated ones were only partially filled.

The last woodworker show I went to was so bad I left after about 45 minutes and that was being generous with my wandering.
My group puts on a woodworking show, and it's suffering. The venue is filthy greedy, the vendors don't pay, people want to get in free, and then there's the infighting to lay blame. It's effing great.
 

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Desert Rose Resort. Best deal in Vegas. Their rooms have complete kitchens and parking is only 60 feet away. It's across the street from the MGM Grand.
If you stayed near the MGM Grand, why didn't you take the Monorail to the Convention Center?
 
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