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Service Truck Tool Bin Thieves

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I have a couple of trucks; one has a service body with 6 doors and the other a flatbed with 8 under bed boxes. About a week ago, all these boxes were all forced open and about $5000 in tools taken. I am working on cameras and tools will not soon return, but I am looking to reinforce the doors

The thieves did not break the locks. They cut and pried off the hasps and bent the doors. I can use steel angle to reinforce the doors, but how can I secure them?? I have a couple of ideas

  • Use a 4” flat bar and run the bar through flat brackets on the outside and pad lock it
  • Us a rod through the inside on the bottom. I have one on the top that they bent (Alternatively extend this existing bar to the bottom of the door
What Can I do to keep these bins secure?
 
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CJM8515

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you wont stop thieves, they will get in one way or another. your issue is likely tweaker idiots or kids. aint much of value in a service body truck other than maybe tools they can pawn at best.

does your area you park have wifi? can you make it have wifi? wireless cameras like blink, with motion alert. bright motion activated spot lights, fenced in area. wont stop them but they will pick a softer target.
 

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In Paris about ten years ago there was an older Land Rover that appeared to be boondocking on the street. The side windows weren't really windows -- they were mirrored stickers on the solid cabin walls.

The most interesting thing were the video cameras monitoring the exterior of the vehicle. They appeared to have LED infrared illumination, and I'm guessing, motion sensors. Were they real, or just dummies? Were they really for security or just some fancy trail cam? Are these something that would serve as a deterrent? Dunno, but I thought it was a clever idea.

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Depending on what state you are in, the person who hooked up the fence charger might get hit with a charge, so to speak.

No, out of site, out of mind. Try to make it so that thieves' don't even know about your trucks. It is very hard to steal what you don't know of. Also, thieves are lazy. Make them work for it if they are going to steal. That will usually keep them away.
 

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I have a couple of trucks; one has a service body with 6 doors and the other a flatbed with 8 under bed boxes. About a week ago, all these boxes were all forced open and about $5000 in tools taken. I am working on cameras and tools will not soon return, but I am looking to reinforce the door.
So sorry to hear that. There was a time I might have felt some sympathy as we think these thieves are desparate and falling on hard times. Then I worked with a crew at a provincial jail and came to realize these are often people who are coldly calculating, carefully planning the thefts backed by a network of "businesses" who know damn well they are fencing stolen goods and materials. I have been hit at home a few times, but recently a friend bought an acerage 1.5 miles from our farm. The week he moved in he waived at a new neighbour driving a half ton full of tools and equipment very much like his own. He was looking forward to making a new friend of similar interests until he pulled into his shop and realized it was HIS tools and equipment in back of that truck. Last month, I got called in by my "day job" client to go to a job a few hours away. Packed the trailer full day before and found dead batteries in the one ton we were to use, so left that to departure morning to buy a new pair. Once I got them in, the truck started hard and ran like a bag of ****, so took it to nearby diesel shop to have codes cleared I thought was due to months of storage. Once 4 pages cleared, we still got 1 1/2 and tech said "all emissions stuff" and bent down to look under truck (F350 diesel). Yeah, the stole the converter and just ripped everything to **** in process. Went back to yard, found new cut in fence - and that is in a chain link yard with barbed wire and 24 hour cameras and lighting. they just wear hoodies and face masks so you can't identify them. Someone went to their downtown storage yard based on this (electrical company so thieves are usually looking for copper wire) and they had smashed in the gate, emptied 2 tool trailers and stole 2 quads.

I no longer have any sympathy, and IMHO if they got a bullet to the brain I feel the world would be SO much better off.

Hope you find the solution.
 

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So sorry to hear that. There was a time I might have felt some sympathy as we think these thieves are desparate and falling on hard times. Then I worked with a crew at a provincial jail and came to realize these are often people who are coldly calculating, carefully planning the thefts backed by a network of "businesses" who know damn well they are fencing stolen goods and materials. I have been hit at home a few times, but recently a friend bought an acerage 1.5 miles from our farm. The week he moved in he waived at a new neighbour driving a half ton full of tools and equipment very much like his own. He was looking forward to making a new friend of similar interests until he pulled into his shop and realized it was HIS tools and equipment in back of that truck. Last month, I got called in by my "day job" client to go to a job a few hours away. Packed the trailer full day before and found dead batteries in the one ton we were to use, so left that to departure morning to buy a new pair. Once I got them in, the truck started hard and ran like a bag of ****, so took it to nearby diesel shop to have codes cleared I thought was due to months of storage. Once 4 pages cleared, we still got 1 1/2 and tech said "all emissions stuff" and bent down to look under truck (F350 diesel). Yeah, the stole the converter and just ripped everything to **** in process. Went back to yard, found new cut in fence - and that is in a chain link yard with barbed wire and 24 hour cameras and lighting. they just wear hoodies and face masks so you can't identify them. Someone went to their downtown storage yard based on this (electrical company so thieves are usually looking for copper wire) and they had smashed in the gate, emptied 2 tool trailers and stole 2 quads.

I no longer have any sympathy, and IMHO if they got a bullet to the brain I feel the world would be SO much better off.

Hope you find the solution.


About a year before I moved out of my parents home and their property we had a state DOT crew strip and redo the tar and gravel road. Took them a month.

I had a rotating, very unpredictable schedule that had me coming and going at all times and I did a lot of shooting when I was home during the week that they could hear the entire time that they were working. There was somebody on that crew who scouted every house on the road plus noting schedules and the week after the DOT crew finished 20 houses were hit in a day…except my parent’s house.
 

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In Paris about ten years ago there was an older Land Rover that appeared to be boondocking on the street. The side windows weren't really windows -- they were mirrored stickers on the solid cabin walls.

The most interesting thing were the video cameras monitoring the exterior of the vehicle. They appeared to have LED infrared illumination, and I'm guessing, motion sensors. Were they real, or just dummies? Were they really for security or just some fancy trail cam? Are these something that would serve as a deterrent? Dunno, but I thought it was a clever idea.

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If that was outside an Embassy or something Id almost say it was a spy vehicle! Hiding in plain sight.
 

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Cordless angle grinders have really done a number with security in general. Gone are the days of bolt cutters and lock picks and SKILL.

Bars might work but are quickly cut with the right equipment. Best thing would be to park it inside the shop if you can. Or inside a cage. Cameras will likely not do much, the police dont care.

Replace good tools with Icon from HF. At least then, if theyre stolen it wont hurt so bad. Thieves ****.
 

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Cameras are worthless. We had a break in at a local home recently. They had cameras everywhere. They recognized the thieves and turned over the camera evidence and names of the thieves to the local gendarmes. Absolutely no response. Speeding tickets are easier and pay better returns. Same for cameras catching porch thieves. Cops don't care.
 

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Our trucks have a bar that runs on the inside of the bed. Only exposed part is the pad lock and handle. We run 3 shifts, so trucks are in and out of our key carded gate all night, and we still had 5 converters cut off at one time.
 

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After one of mine got cleaned out I did a solid 3/4” bar thru the inside with a knack box style exterior cover for the padlock.

As pointed out with cordless grinders in every thief’s back pocket I’ve had this idea for a while. 4140 steel tubing filled with a solid bar of 5052 inside. That way either the steel will kill a sawzall blade or the aluminum will gum up the cutoff wheel.
 
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As pointed out with cordless grinders in every thief’s back pocket I’ve had this idea for a while. 4140 steel tubing filled with a solid bar of 5052 inside. That way either the steel will kill a sawzall blade or the aluminum will gum up the cutoff wheel.
this was part of some book I read, prison guard sold the inmate lifer a hacksaw blade. Turns out all the bars were two pieces, with an interior that would roll instead of cutting.
 

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this was part of some book I read, prison guard sold the inmate lifer a hacksaw blade. Turns out all the bars were two pieces, with an interior that would roll instead of cutting.
Damn, I’ve never thought of that and I build prisons for a living.
 

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this was part of some book I read, prison guard sold the inmate lifer a hacksaw blade. Turns out all the bars were two pieces, with an interior that would roll instead of cutting.
Seems easy enough to defeat. Just make a second cut through the outer layer, and use a second tool to immobilize the inner layer while completing the first cut. Unless the outer layer is just so hard that cutting it twice would require an entire pack of hacksaw blades...
 

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Seems easy enough to defeat. Just make a second cut through the outer layer, and use a second tool to immobilize the inner layer while completing the first cut. Unless the outer layer is just so hard that cutting it twice would require an entire pack of hacksaw blades...

You would have to make many overlapping cuts, not just two to get a wide enough hole to get something big enough to solidly immobilize the center assuming the cutter even has something long, hard and pointy,ice picks are rather frowned on in prisons. . The thicker the center the shallower the outer shell making it harder to make a nice hole. The thinner the center the deeper each cut would have to be to get to the center to hold it. Really diabolical if the main threat is a handheld hacksaw blade.

Sort of Sisyphus in Alcatraz.
 
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Inside the truck, put lights with so many lumens that they will be temporarily blinded.
 

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In Paris about ten years ago there was an older Land Rover that appeared to be boondocking on the street. The side windows weren't really windows -- they were mirrored stickers on the solid cabin walls.

The most interesting thing were the video cameras monitoring the exterior of the vehicle. They appeared to have LED infrared illumination, and I'm guessing, motion sensors. Were they real, or just dummies? Were they really for security or just some fancy trail cam? Are these something that would serve as a deterrent? Dunno, but I thought it was a clever idea.

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As the economy craters its going to get worse.

Trying to make it thief proof is like playing whack a mole.

This.

Keeping things out of sight is the best bet IMO. Always park in the garage.

Thieves will almost always pick the softer target.
 

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You can run a bar that goes vertical or horizontal through truck box and doors. Really what you want is to slow them down. If the truck is parked in spot where someone can use an angle grinder they can cut through the door skin. Here is a lock idea.lock
 

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just re-reading this, such a shame many of you have been hit. I find the best defense is a good offense, lights, cameras, etc. Again it dont stop them but sure makes you less of a soft target. Even better is a nosy neighbor whom your on good terms with. Should my house have anything a miss the neighbors will call me and tell me. I had once left and forgot to lock the front door-they called, told me I told them to go lock it please and they did. The reality is if a thief wants something they will get it.

Check out this video of how this guy got his stuff back. gps trackers..

Ill tell tale of how I my atv got stolen and then i got it back. Its a good one.

Several years ago I was living with my parents. housing prices in NJ are stupid crazy and they were ok with me living there till I landed a good paying job so long as I took care of the house and helped out. I alternated storing my race atv in the garage or shed. in the winter, the shed was fine as we moved the snowblower into the garage. who was gonna trudge thru that much snow to get it, i thought. well one year I got lazy, didnt swap it with the blower so it lived in the shed.

I go to move my work vehicle to the street on a saturday morning and notice the shed door is ajar. I walk over, open the door and no more atv. now this thing is NOT cheap, theres like a good 12k invested in it. I SHOULD have locked the shed at least or better yet not left it in the shed. Immediately I think who might have stole it, was it someone I knew? Someone randomly who saw me put it int here or maybe the door was open and saw it? There are landscape crews and service people everywhere in the neighborhood, its an affluent section of town with large homes on 1/2 or 1 acre plots.

So who would want it..maybe some rando got lucky or saw it and stake it out...or was it someone I knew.. HMM. I deduce the likely culprit is my best friends wifes pos cousin who is known to steal everything that isnt nailed down. It makes sense, he knew about it as I had met him plenty before and during times when he was out of work-which is often, he would mow lawns with the husband as they were landscapers.

I call the cops, explain what happened. They send an officer out to take a report and are VERY interested when I mention the possible perps name. he is well know all over the surrounding area. As this is happening my buddys wife shows up to mow the lawn with a helper (IDK where buddy is) and I ask her what pos cousins has been up to. Im positive she knew cause the officers taking the report and she doesnt get out of her truck. Officer leaves and shes crying telling me cousins been staying with her lately and he showed up with a quad theother day but then left with it and came back with another one. She knew.. she probably told him about it, ill never be able to prove it. I tell her, dont care how it comes back but it better.

Later same day landscaper wife leaves, I get another cop show up to my house. Wouldnt you know its the landscaper wife daughters ex BF I know, hes a cop. He is PISSED says he bets it was cousin and he gives me personal num and helps me anyway I can. I call the local PD in the town cousins from, they are VERY interested in my case. An officer calls me back and gets as much info as possible, he knows pos cousin too. A detective calls, same deal.

I search all the local riding spots for weeks, I didnt post it on social media for awhile hoping he wouldnt be spooked and still had it. I tailed him and yea he had an ATV-not mine. About a month later I get a call while out looking for it at a local sand pit-they want me to verify the vin, they found it they think. Yup its mine. Where did they find it, in that same town pos cousins from at a known drug dealers home.

I got it back a bit worse for wear, I found out exactly who had it (thank you tow driver for the ADDRESS on the slip you towed it from lol) and that guy was prosecuted and went to jail. I had to send in all the paperwork and invoices on it as I had to fix it but Ill never see a dime of it, its been years now. the prosecutors office can try but cant get blood from a turnip

Anyways I COULD easily do whatever to this pos kid, but the first door they will knock on is mine. All I ever hoped was that the guy who got locked up made sure he paid. I put an airtag on it now..
 

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I have a couple of trucks; one has a service body with 6 doors and the other a flatbed with 8 under bed boxes. About a week ago, all these boxes were all forced open and about $5000 in tools taken. I am working on cameras and tools will not soon return, but I am looking to reinforce the doors

The thieves did not break the locks. They cut and pried off the hasps and bent the doors. I can use steel angle to reinforce the doors, but how can I secure them?? I have a couple of ideas

  • Use a 4” flat bar and run the bar through flat brackets on the outside and pad lock it
  • Us a rod through the inside on the bottom. I have one on the top that they bent (Alternatively extend this existing bar to the bottom of the door
What Can I do to keep these bins secure?
You are acting as if someone committed a crime, and since you live in California, I assure you this was not a crime. That would make it a gift, or perhaps a dovation. Only way to truly solve your problems is at the ballot box. Nagging rant over.
Sorry that happened to you. There is no way to secure it that I couldn’t get through in 30 seconds or less. I am not a criminal, but a metal contractor. Any padlock situation can be dealt with by using a battery angle grinder, or simply 2 opposed crescent wrenches. The only padlock type solution that offers any resistance at all are the type commonly seen on the back of van doors. These have the bolt made non accessible.
 

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A battery powered angle grinder with a diamond wheel will cut through anything. Make them cut through more metal than they have batteries for.
Marking your tools helps, but not if they end up across the border.
Buy HF and no-name disposable tools. Leave them dirty. Mix in some broken tools.
You can't legally booby trap anything that might hurt someone.
If they were to accidentally saw into a can of spray paint (or Liquid ***), or if one of the stolen tools happens to have a bad wiring fault, not your problem.
 

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A shame this society does not have the mentality of 40 years ago. Friend had same issue, some jerk was breaking into his vehicle and many others, again and again, breaking car windows to do so. Feed up, he placed a spring loaded animal trap on front seat (type with jagged teeth), disguised with a treasure attached to the trap mechanism. From a distance he saw that he caught the thief but left him attached for a time before calling the police. Worked wonders, theft went down to zero.
 

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Brick Top in the Guy Ritchie movie had the right approach.
And Brad Pit as the ***** bareknuckle boxing champion even better
" You want your friend to hear you, you´ll have to talk a lot louder, BANG"

We need more of that,

Ola
 

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my friend told me this story when we were kids...

decades ago, my friend's dad (chinese) in china had a small toy factory with injection molding stuff. it was repeatedly burglarized. i guess they stole expensive equipment and tooling.

he wired up some kind of electrified man trap, and it actually killed a thief. i don't think my friend's dad got in trouble, but i didn't ask if the police were involved etc etc. lol
 
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