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Had two more shark bites fail! Last year one failed and caused $30,000 damage. These failures are ones that were installed by professional plumbers. cost $600 to replace a simple water softener installation with soldered copper. Now I know why everybody uses them.
 
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Had two more shark bites fail! Last year one failed and caused $30,000 damage. These failures are ones that were installed by professional plumbers. cost $600 to replace a simple water softener installation with soldered copper. Now I know why everybody uses them.

At least you didn't lose a limb.
At $30k it's not 1 limb, it's an arm and a leg
 

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But everybody and their 6 brothers say it's the thing to use.
Agreed. I’m all for people doing their own work on their own property but it’s flat out irresponsible to endorse something with such confidence when you haven’t done but maybe a couple hundred fittings in your life. Sure someone will be along shortly to say their house was piped exclusively with SB fittings and they haven’t had a leak in 15 years. That’s great, and they probably will never have a leak. Problem is, that’s a tiny sample, when they fail it’s usually catastrophic, they do have a higher fail rate than other fittings, and it’s never the least expensive or best fitting to use. A sharkbite is a fitting to use as a patch when the installer doesn’t have the time or experience to make a proper joint.

I’ve seen one (of several) fail in a high rise that was an integral part of a drinking fountain. It happened while the blg was unoccupied. Damage was in the millions.
 

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Had two more shark bites fail! Last year one failed and caused $30,000 damage. These failures are ones that were installed by professional plumbers. cost $600 to replace a simple water softener installation with soldered copper. Now I know why everybody uses them.

I would not hire a professional plumber that would use a SharkBite as anything but a temporary patch.
 

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That's just because you're using the inferior US made ones. I used the original version for all the plumbing in a nuclear reactor back in Russia about 40 years ago but we called them bear grips, they're just that good....when theyre made in Russia.
Bear grips last lifetime of nuclear reactor.
 
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Licensed plumbers in my area will not use them!!! Son just bought a house had a plumber in repairing a list from the inspection. He removed every shark bite he could find and redid them with his crimp style. He flat out said most inspectors will not even pass them anymore
 

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I'm not a plumber but I put in my own hydronic system in my shop and have replumbed most of my old house in copper with sweated fittings. I call any of those types of fittings 'temporary'. But, they would likely be fine for many moons in a 35-55psi water well system. Either way I'll use one as a temporary repair if I need to.
 

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I use them all the time. They work great and save a bundle. Modest prep helps prevent failure.

Do you know why it failed? Dirty pipe, out of round copper, hacksaw cut?
 

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I do not use them, but I do not do a lot of plumbing.

They are quick and easy for someone who does not know much about plumbing. That is their big selling point. However, they require proper prep and proper installation. I suspect many failures come from lack of doing it right.

My sister's house had a leak under the floor during a weekend a few months ago. Needed a 'instant' fix. My son came over to help me and showed up with some shark bite fittings. I told him no, here is a tubing cutter, some braided plastic tubing and hose clamps. Hard to get to place, had him crawl under and install those. When I had time after the weekend, I went down and bought copper fittings and a section of Pex. My son does not know how to sweat copper tubing, so I crawled under with him and showed him how to sweat on fittings and install Pex and clamp it. I know it will last.

Explained to him why I had reservations about shark bite fitting. I have seen several fail or drip.
 

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Was it a Sharkbite brand, or some other type of crimp connector. I had a plumber in last year to do some work and I asked him about it; I don't recall the brand he was using but it was something else, he wasn't complementary about Sharkbites.
 

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That's just because you're using the inferior US made ones. I used the original version for all the plumbing in a nuclear reactor back in Russia about 40 years ago but we called them bear grips, they're just that good....when theyre made in Russia.
Bear grips last lifetime of nuclear reactor.
Chernobyl comes to mind. 😆
 

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I use them all the time. They work great and save a bundle. Modest prep helps prevent failure.

Do you know why it failed? Dirty pipe, out of round copper, hacksaw cut?
They will always fail. It’s just a matter of time. They rely on O rings to seal and they eventually oxidize and crack. One side is well exposed to the atmosphere. Things like proximity to electric motors that are present in many utility rooms will be exposed to more ozone than standard and hasten the rubbers demise.
 
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As beautiful as a well installed copper job is, many including myself have had the copper "eaten away" by the water. (Pin holes and comprised wall thickness)
28 years on my last house (cpvc) and no issues. Currently have pex (15+ years) and it's impossible to make it pretty as copper. But it's a lot more resilient if it freezes (I know it's not supposed to happen) than either of the other 2.
Btw, I have only one shark bite, it's on a line that I need to break to drain it down in the winter if we go away.
 

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As beautiful as a well installed copper job is, many including myself have had the copper "eaten away" by the water. (Pin holes and comprised wall thickness)
28 years on my last house (cpvc) and no issues. Currently have pex (15+ years) and it's impossible to make it pretty as copper. But it's a lot more resilient if it freezes (I know it's not supposed to happen) than either of the other 2.
Btw, I have only one shark bite, it's on a line that I need to break to drain it down in the winter if we go away.
I still can't understand why cpvc exists. I only ever ran into it in trailers.

Was it supposed to be better than PVC at some point.... or just cheaper, or what?

In my limited experience it seems PVC is better?

Idk , always been a mystery to me.

My suspicion that it's terrible seems to play out in that it's being phased out entirely.
 

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I use them all the time. They work great and save a bundle. Modest prep helps prevent failure.

Do you know why it failed? Dirty pipe, out of round copper, hacksaw cut?
Save bundles? They are crazy expensive vs copper fittings or pex
 
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the plumber we hired to do several jobs used propress if the fittings were accessible and needed disassembly before making a change, and sweat on fittings inside closed walls. I am always nervous about those sharkbite fittings,
 

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Saves cash compared to a plumber. And saves time if you know how to sweat a fitting. I learned to sweat a fitting 40 years ago. The sharkbite stuff has been 100% for me with proper prep.

btw-copper fitting can fail as well In time.
 

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Saves cash compared to a plumber. And saves time if you know how to sweat a fitting. I learned to sweat a fitting 40 years ago. The sharkbite stuff has been 100% for me with proper prep.

btw-copper fitting can fail as well In time.
Sure, if you use M pipe(which is against the law in many places to use with domestic water) with acidic water, otherwise proper L pipe last 60 plus years. Hell my grandfathers house had copper **** pipe that was really light weight, and the first piece failed last year. Build in 69' And the section that failed was installed level without any run to it.

O rings are about 25 years max, and you will have failures before then as well.

30K damage from a leaking fitting makes Shark Bites awful expensive compared to K copper.
 
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you're talking M &K, then you switch to talking about DWV. . guess we're supposed to be mind readers .

Have you seen M and L **** pipe? I used three different terms for three different products. Even explained that it was lighter and not level. Why would M and K pipe need to have slope???? I don't know what mind reading was required?
 
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One reason they fail prematurely is people dont debur the pipe and it cuts the o-ring. Especially copper.
The importance of this cant be emphasized enough, but I never see anyone do it.

Sharkbites save the day for some applications, like their transition coupling for polybutylene.
 

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Had two more shark bites fail! Last year one failed and caused $30,000 damage. These failures are ones that were installed by professional plumbers. cost $600 to replace a simple water softener installation with soldered copper. Now I know why everybody uses them.
just out of curiosity... what is you house pressure coming in ? are you regulated pressure whole house? true the shark bites are for quick fix only, but seen them only fail when the main line pressure goes sky high over night, seen day time pressurize @ 55 to 60 lb,
at night seen it rise to over 160 to 190 psi and over time seen them fail with the high pressure, one problem i have seen is not installing them the right way, ...... clean and de bur the pipe....
 

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One reason they fail prematurely is people dont debur the pipe and it cuts the o-ring. Especially copper.
The importance of this cant be emphasized enough, but I never see anyone do it.

Sharkbites save the day for some applications, like their transition coupling for polybutylene.
I always deburr, I use sharkbites all the time to pressure test systems (cap stub outs). Its a great application for them.

Deburring the inside and outside of sweat copper pipe is part of good workmanship. As is proper sizing(high velocity causes errosion) and proper sweating as excess solder blobs will cause erosion just like burrs will.




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I still can't understand why cpvc exists. I only ever ran into it in trailers.

Was it supposed to be better than PVC at some point.... or just cheaper, or what?

In my limited experience it seems PVC is better?

Idk , always been a mystery to me.

My suspicion that it's terrible seems to play out in that it's being phased out entirely.
Even though it’s rated for 140*, you shouldn’t pipe hot water with PVC, CPVC is good up to 200*. At 73* they have the same pressure rating, as temps go up CPVC maintains a higher rating. CPVC gets a bad rap but it’s not entirely justified (IME). The larger sizes (2” and up) are a cost effective option to copper where allowed. I’m not crazy about it in residential but I did use it to do the overhead in my garage for the room over it. The pipe in the walls above is all copper. It’s easily accessible, won’t hurt anything if it fails, and I already had it.



CPVC vs Pex, which is another good product but some homeowners believe is indestructible
 

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Another product that is only as good as its installer.

Sharkbites last a long time IF installed properly. Many times they are not installed properly - pipe not deburred, pipe not fully inserted, side/angled pressure on Sharkbite, etc. I've installed dozens of them over the years and never had one fail. I've replaced plenty of leaking soldered copper joints or compression fittings.
 

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I know a guy that had a leak. A plumber came out, installed a sharkbite, gave him an emergency call out bill and left.... I will only use them for temporary work or an emergency fix until I can fix it right the next day. I have worked on copper pipe so thin that I have crushed it in my hand. A sharkbite would work great on that, heehee.
 

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They will always fail. It’s just a matter of time. They rely on O rings to seal and they eventually oxidize and crack. One side is well exposed to the atmosphere. Things like proximity to electric motors that are present in many utility rooms will be exposed to more ozone than standard and hasten the rubbers demise.
If by fail you mean drip, I sort of agree. If by fail you mean blow out, then no, that's 100% installation error.

My biggest issue with them is that they make it easy to not push the pipe in sufficiently. How many people use them without reading the instructions and marking the insertion depth?
 

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If by fail you mean drip, I sort of agree. If by fail you mean blow out, then no, that's 100% installation error.

My biggest issue with them is that they make it easy to not push the pipe in sufficiently. How many people use them without reading the instructions and marking the insertion depth?
Drip and a spray stream. Either way in a wall it can cause 10’s of thousands of dollars in damage.

They can’t come off the pipe, well at least as you say if they insert fully as that function is by metal fingers that bite the pipe. The fingers back up the o ring so when it cracks it’s more than likely going to be drip or a shooting thin stream.
 

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I used a shark bite one time. It was for the output line from a pressure relief on a water heater. The only time water would flow through it is if the pressure relief went off on the heater. At that point, I wouldn't care if it leaked water in the garage.
 

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I have been using Shark Bites and flex hoses on my water heater replacements. The first one I installed, over 20 years ago is still working fine.
 

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How much time passed between the install and the failures? There have been times when I did not put the pipe into them deep enough but those blew off immediately.
 

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As a temp fix I would use them, but only till a permanent repair could be made. But like any product it must be installed correctly. I had union filters install press fittings that leaked because they didn’t follow procedure. Any fitting can fail if it’s installed wrong.
 
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