For all you paint experts out there. Getting ready to paint the interior of my new shop. Plywood on the walls, so I'm using Sherwin Williams Extreme Block stain blocking oil based primer for the first coat (which is on sale for $25 a gal until Monday). Planning on doing two coats of latex over this, some shade of off-white. Trying to decide between Sherwin Williams Superpaint versus Duration. The Duration is on sale through Monday for $41 a gallon, while I can get the Superpaint for $30 a gallon. Sherwin Williams guy is trying to sell me on the Duration being worth the additional $11 a gallon. My shop floor is 3100 sq. ft, but I have approx. 4000 sq ft of wall to paint. Worth the extra money for the Duration paint?
Sherwin Williams Superpaint vs Duration
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tonyciambrone
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I have never used superpaint but duration exterior high gloss is the best latex paint I have ever used
RegeSullivan
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Duration is pretty amazing stuff for durability and cleanabilty. It is a little harder to apply and clean up than typical latex paint but well worth the little extra effort for high traffic areas. It applies more like a primer than a finish coat and the matte has a different look than most flat paint and seems to take a bit longer to cure or harden. It does best with two coats for durability/scrubbability. Is it worth 25% more... only if you want look nice longer and clean up better/easier.
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stonesfan68
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Ditto
strutaeng
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Exterior paint for interior shop? I'd select the lower priced of the 2. It's not going to get UV exposure, which is really what weathers paint.
I painted my house with Superpaint, but my friend that works for a commercial paint company recommend me A-100. His reasoning is that you'd probably want to change color scheme before paint fails. Makes sense. I've used A-100 before, and it's good paint.
Rather than paint line, select a higher sheen, to make cleaning easier.
I used satin for my house, but now using semigloss for new addition siding. Trim is all high gloss.
For any given paint line, durability typically is proportional to sheen. Higher sheen = more durability.
I painted my house with Superpaint, but my friend that works for a commercial paint company recommend me A-100. His reasoning is that you'd probably want to change color scheme before paint fails. Makes sense. I've used A-100 before, and it's good paint.
Rather than paint line, select a higher sheen, to make cleaning easier.
I used satin for my house, but now using semigloss for new addition siding. Trim is all high gloss.
For any given paint line, durability typically is proportional to sheen. Higher sheen = more durability.
First of all, why are you going to apply 2 coats of paint? (Answer = better coverage, right?)
What is actually 'coverage' (answer = thickness of paint on the walls, measured in mils)
Look at the specs for each product
Duration -> 250-300 sq ft/gal, 5.3 - 6.4 mils wet; 2.2 - 2.6 mils dry
SuperPaint -> 350 - 400 sq ft/gal, 4 mils wet; 1.4 mils dry
2 coats of SuperPaint gets you roughly 2.8 mils dry when applied per the recommendation and Duration gets you 2.2 to 2.6 mils dry in one coat. (so one coat of Duration is *almost* as thick as 2 coats of SuperPaint. But - also look at how many sq feet you can get out of a gallon...
If you're putting down 2 coats of Duration, which is around 4.8 mills, it would take 3 coats of SuperPaint to get to around 4.2 mills
Do you like to paint? Do you really want to apply a third coat to get the same *coverage*? Or is 2 coats of SuperPaint good enough? What kind of numbers are you actually talking about money wise?
Read for yourself and check my math while your at it
https://www.paintdocs.com/docs/webPDF.jsp?SITEID=STORECAT&prodno=A80W1151&doctype=PDS&lang=E
https://www.paintdocs.com/docs/webPDF.jsp?SITEID=STORECAT&lang=E&doctype=PDS&prodno=640515516
Interior is a different story. People get tired of the same color and want to change it up. I user SuperPaint on the interior of my house (about 6 different colors)
What is actually 'coverage' (answer = thickness of paint on the walls, measured in mils)
Look at the specs for each product
Duration -> 250-300 sq ft/gal, 5.3 - 6.4 mils wet; 2.2 - 2.6 mils dry
SuperPaint -> 350 - 400 sq ft/gal, 4 mils wet; 1.4 mils dry
2 coats of SuperPaint gets you roughly 2.8 mils dry when applied per the recommendation and Duration gets you 2.2 to 2.6 mils dry in one coat. (so one coat of Duration is *almost* as thick as 2 coats of SuperPaint. But - also look at how many sq feet you can get out of a gallon...
If you're putting down 2 coats of Duration, which is around 4.8 mills, it would take 3 coats of SuperPaint to get to around 4.2 mills
Do you like to paint? Do you really want to apply a third coat to get the same *coverage*? Or is 2 coats of SuperPaint good enough? What kind of numbers are you actually talking about money wise?
Read for yourself and check my math while your at it
https://www.paintdocs.com/docs/webPDF.jsp?SITEID=STORECAT&prodno=A80W1151&doctype=PDS&lang=E
https://www.paintdocs.com/docs/webPDF.jsp?SITEID=STORECAT&lang=E&doctype=PDS&prodno=640515516
Interior is a different story. People get tired of the same color and want to change it up. I user SuperPaint on the interior of my house (about 6 different colors)
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Both Duration and Superpaint are interior paints, and going on the interior walls of my shop. Interesting info about the thickness of the two paints, not sure if two coats of Superpaint is enough, or if 2 coats of Duration is overkill? Guy that's going to help me is planning on spraying the oil based primer, spraying and back rolling the 1st coat of latex, and just spraying the 2nd coat of latex. For 4000 sq. ft of wall's, let's say 40 gallons of paint for 2 coats of latex. Cost difference would be $1200 vs $1640 if it takes that much paint.
Realistically - if you had the primer tinted the same color as the finish coat, you could probably get by with just one good, heavy coat of Duration which as I pointed out is about what 2 coats of SuperPaint will get you. It's not like your trying to go over a different color and have to worry about missing spots.
I think it comes down to personal preference on your end
ps - I have started to hate SW and their stupid sales because it puts you in situations like this. If they just sold their paint at a reasonable price, it would be no big deal to just put up one coat of Duration, see how it looks and if you needed to, go back and buy more paint
I think it comes down to personal preference on your end
ps - I have started to hate SW and their stupid sales because it puts you in situations like this. If they just sold their paint at a reasonable price, it would be no big deal to just put up one coat of Duration, see how it looks and if you needed to, go back and buy more paint
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speed bump
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Duration is about all I buy unless I need trim paint because I usually get one coat coverage out of it. The super paint is probably fine but I definitely wouldn't expect 1 coat coverage
reader2580
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I think the confusion here is because Sherwin-Williams makes both interior and exterior paint both called Duration. I think a lot of people are familiar with the Duration exterior paint and didn't realize they make Duration interior paint too. I wasn't aware of Duration interior paint until I saw this thread and checked the SW website.
Well, your right. OP never clarified which product he was thinking about using. I ASSumed he was going with exterior paint (that is what I would use) but if you look at the INTERIOR specs, Duration and SuperPaint are virtually the same. (The sheen does slightly affect the thickness from product to product)
SuperPaint Interior Satin @ 4 mils wet; 1.6 mils dry
https://www.paintdocs.com/docs/webPDF.jsp?SITEID=MASTERSAU&lang=2&doctype=PDS&prodno=SP0034001
Duration Interior Matte @ 4 mils wet; 1.6 mils dry
https://www.paintdocs.com/docs/webPDF.jsp?SITEID=STORECAT&lang=E&doctype=PDS&prodno=650096548
SuperPaint Interior Satin @ 4 mils wet; 1.6 mils dry
https://www.paintdocs.com/docs/webPDF.jsp?SITEID=MASTERSAU&lang=2&doctype=PDS&prodno=SP0034001
Duration Interior Matte @ 4 mils wet; 1.6 mils dry
https://www.paintdocs.com/docs/webPDF.jsp?SITEID=STORECAT&lang=E&doctype=PDS&prodno=650096548
Yes, I just assumed when I said interior of my shop, that I didn’t need to say interior Duration or Superpaint 
. Sherwin Williams recommended not using exterior paint on the interior, because of the VOC’s, and there being no issue with fading on an interior. If they go on the same thickness wet and dry to the same thickness, I’m thinking the Superpaint will be just fine for what I’m doing. Lots of great info and knowledge on here!
. Sherwin Williams recommended not using exterior paint on the interior, because of the VOC’s, and there being no issue with fading on an interior. If they go on the same thickness wet and dry to the same thickness, I’m thinking the Superpaint will be just fine for what I’m doing. Lots of great info and knowledge on here!
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RegeSullivan
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I think in real world use you will find the difference how well Duration holds up when you need to clean/scrub it. That said... both will work well in a shop.
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TTMotorsports
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How often are you guys really scrubbing the walls of your shop. About 2 times a year I dust the walls of my shop but have never taken a scrub brush to them once in 9 years.
RegeSullivan
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Never... but I do scrub the splashes off and high traffic areas (around switches door trim).
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pcmeiners
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With that amount of footage I would get a pro airless sprayer, buy or rent. In one day do the primer, wait a couple days for the primer to dry, in another day do the top coat. With an airless, you do not need a 2 top coats. It is so much faster it is amazing. Floor could be done with a roller, will definitely need more then 1 coat as unpainted cement soaks up paint.
Personally I think eggshell/satin is fine (still cleanable) , high gloss shows all wall deviations.
Personally I think eggshell/satin is fine (still cleanable) , high gloss shows all wall deviations.
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SpectreHD
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...as a former sales specialist for SWP.
-tint the primer 75% to what your color choice is.
-spray and backroll the duration one coat.
in the end it saves you time/labor and gives you better durability/scrub-ability on the wall.
-tint the primer 75% to what your color choice is.
-spray and backroll the duration one coat.
in the end it saves you time/labor and gives you better durability/scrub-ability on the wall.
With a tinted primer the heaver paint should cover in one coat . More is not better -- you are trying for a uniform coating. Often thinner paint given two coats will produce better results .. but, this is not a situation where you will notice (plywood)
Exterior paint: Exterior paint is not inherently better ... many exterior paints have chemicals that should not be used inside ... it's not designed to be used in enclosed spaces. There is no need for the UV or cleaning properties (chalking) found in them .. also, many have chemicals to combat mildew that should not be used inside. Use interior paint ...
Exterior paint: Exterior paint is not inherently better ... many exterior paints have chemicals that should not be used inside ... it's not designed to be used in enclosed spaces. There is no need for the UV or cleaning properties (chalking) found in them .. also, many have chemicals to combat mildew that should not be used inside. Use interior paint ...
I ended up going with Sherwin Williams Cashmere, Extra White, low-lustre sheen. The Superpaint came in either flat, velvet, or satin, but the velvet sheen wasn't available in the quantity I needed, and I was concerned the satin would have too much sheen. The painter that helped me recommended the Cashmere to get the low-lustre sheen, and I'm very happy with the outcome. I'll try to put up some pics one of these days.
red
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I used both Duration & Cashmere.
Cashmere is the best interior paint I've ever used.
Love the Duration for exterior use. And with Duration listen to their warnings about keeping your hands clean. Once that stuff dries, it just about has to wear off. And excellent choice to use oil based primer, still much better than latex.