Shingle roofing for my garage

[barryallen]

Hey, I am installing a new shingle roofing for garage. I have received quote from 2-3 contractors almost decided on Royal york roofing . I am confused between which type of shingle roofing to use. According to the information provided here http://www.royalyorkroofing.ca/services/roofing/shingle-roofing/ . The architectural shingle provides better protection than the traditional 3 -tad shingle. But the cost is bit higher. According to their opinion architectural can provide better protection than traditional in harsh winter weather . Which one should I chose?. Is there any advantage in choosing architectural over traditional? .

 

[matt_i]

Re: Shingle rooging for my garage

I would choose the architectural for the longer life. My house is shingled with Elk (now GAF) Timberline HD shingles. But, whoever did this went cheap and cut up matching 3-tabs for the ridge and hip caps which are all delaminating and look terrible...and I will be up there replacing them this summer ith the purpose-built extra thick cap shingles (not cutting up a thinner cheaper shingle to substitute). The field of architectural shingles looks great all over, however.

There's a lot of labor in a shingle job, so why pay that any more times than necessary? Unless you are re-roofing for someone else (as in about to sell) then I'd go with the better material....and specify the extra thick caps. You will thank me in 16 years

 

[speed bump]

Re: Shingle rooging for my garage

Go to the lumber yard and ask to see an architectural shingle and then ask to see a 3 tab. Took me 5 seconds to realize if I have a choice I would never install 3 tabs again.

Also living in one of the windiest parts of the country if you need something rated for 100 mph winds you will be using an architectural style.

 

[CNGsaves]

Re: Shingle rooging for my garage

^ ^ ^ +1 to go see the shingles and you'll know that 3 tab is ****.

Best sellers are architectural shingles for a reason . . . they look great and last.

Wind and snow build-up are problem for cheap 3 tab. Only house I'd ever put 3 tab on is flip house under $40K.

Another key factor is SLOPE of your roof. Steep roof might get by with 3 tab if you don't plan on living there long. However, I just refuse to use them since they are ****.

UPDATE GJ Profile with a Location.

 

[NUTTSGT]

There are different grades of architectural/dimensional shingles. Some are 3 or 4 bundles per square and this can make the cost vary.

Like the others have said, go look at the shingles or check out your neighbors roofs. If you look closely, you'll see that an architectural/dimensional is almost a double layer shingle. The gap you see in a three tab shingle is covered by a wider tab.

 

[Falcon67]

Depends on where you live. Around here, you can use the pretty shingles and pay more, but they are going to get beat off the roof or blown off like any cheap shingle well before end of life. Insurance typically doesn't cover the upgrade so it's out of pocket. Most people here just use plain 3-tab and call it good.

 

[bczygan]

I hate the "Architectural" shingles, but roofers love them because they are so easy to install.

Bill

 

[ejkuhl]

I'm not even sure why they make 3 tabs anymore. Architectural are better in about every way unless you really like the look of 3 tab.

I'm also surprised that a contractor would charge much more for the architectural because they can be had for a few dollars more per square but the contractor could probably make that up in labor savings.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Why are architectural easier to put up?
Not being a smart ***, just don't really know.

 

[ejkuhl]

Why are architectural easier to put up?
Not being a smart ***, just don't really know.

You don't have to line them up in nice even vertical rows. You can put in any size piece anywhere in your run. You can overlap rows more or less without noticing except maybe on a very steep roof.

 

[Ntzabtntr]

Why are architectural easier to put up?
Not being a smart ***, just don't really know.

When installing 3-tab shingles, you have to make your cuts carefully for the "gullets" to line up or it looks like heck. With architectural shingles, it doesn't matter as there is no pattern that shows up. You still have to stagger the joints for weathering, though.

Brian

 

[Kpaige]

Everyone has their thoughts and opinions so make your own judgement.
I have installed well over 7000 roofs. I am a certified master installer of all the major brands and have been the court expert many times for lawsuits against bad shingles. I Started before architectural were around.
First 3 tabs
Make sure they are fiberglass not organic mat most of the time if you have any king of heat or cold it will take 5 yrs off your 25 yr shingle. If your venting and insulation is not correct it can take another 5 or 10 yrs off.

Architectural style are a better product as long as you get quality as there are cheap ones.
As far as them blowing off just like others sure in 70 mile an hour winds but a properly installed roof will withstand most weather. Nail patterns and install are the key.
Others are correct with these you stair step them and there is much less waste they are not easy to install that term is wrong there is nothing easy about the job. Just because it's not vertical does not make it easier it makes it faster. This is good and bad good if your installer is good bad if he is not! One big thing with architectural is do not make a equal pattern running up if you do you will see it from the ground.
FYI we ran 3 tab shingles stair step to in a 5" and 6"pattern we could make them perfectly straight by chalking one row at the base of the roof.

Bottom line Architecturals are better if installed correctly. You will pay more but you should not pay more labor for basic install but if you have a lot of ridge and valleys these take much more time the ridges should be hand nailed and they should be start on the opposite sides of prevailing winds.

Insurance coverage will depend were you Areias MN they are required to cover what is on your roof I have slate line lifetime last hail storm it cost my insurance almost 20,000 to roof my house and garage.

 

[CTyankee]

Everyone has their thoughts and opinions so make your own judgement.
I have installed well over 7000 roofs. I am a certified master installer of all the major brands and have been the court expert many times for lawsuits against bad shingles. I Started before architectural were around.
First 3 tabs
Make sure they are fiberglass not organic mat most of the time if you have any king of heat or cold it will take 5 yrs off your 25 yr shingle. If your venting and insulation is not correct it can take another 5 or 10 yrs off.

Architectural style are a better product as long as you get quality as there are cheap ones.
As far as them blowing off just like others sure in 70 mile an hour winds but a properly installed roof will withstand most weather. Nail patterns and install are the key.
Others are correct with these you stair step them and there is much less waste they are not easy to install that term is wrong there is nothing easy about the job. Just because it's not vertical does not make it easier it makes it faster. This is good and bad good if your installer is good bad if he is not! One big thing with architectural is do not make a equal pattern running up if you do you will see it from the ground.
FYI we ran 3 tab shingles stair step to in a 5" and 6"pattern we could make them perfectly straight by chalking one row at the base of the roof.

Bottom line Architecturals are better if installed correctly. You will pay more but you should not pay more labor for basic install but if you have a lot of ridge and valleys these take much more time the ridges should be hand nailed and they should be start on the opposite sides of prevailing winds.

Insurance coverage will depend were you Areias MN they are required to cover what is on your roof I have slate line lifetime last hail storm it cost my insurance almost 20,000 to roof my house and garage.

It's nice to hear what ones experience is when folks are making suggestions or statements about a subject. I've only worked on probably 20-30 roof jobs over the years, so I won't pretend to be an expert by any means.

I will disagree with the comment that by using architectural shingles " You can put in any size piece anywhere in your run" Well no....you can't. You still need to maintain offsets from the row below and nail spacing for the row being laid. Even then, it's not going to make the job any "easier"...if anything it's likely to cause more work and possible layout issues for the rows to follow..

 

[Kpaige]

You are correct when I say any size that is for the cut side of say a rake edge but as in any install you have to follow the manufacturer guidelines and directions. What I mean by pattern is when you run your first book up the edge you don't want your second run to be the same so make sure to change it up. And yes it can cause layout issues and problems if not done correctly. There is a lot that goes into it and I can not correctly explain all of it. If he has a qua;its contractor it will be second nature.

 

[CTyankee]

You are correct when I say any size that is for the cut side of say a rake edge but as in any install you have to follow the manufacturer guidelines and directions. What I mean by pattern is when you run your first book up the edge you don't want your second run to be the same so make sure to change it up. And yes it can cause layout issues and problems if not done correctly. There is a lot that goes into it and I can not correctly explain all of it. If he has a qua;its contractor it will be second nature.

My comment was directed at another members post, not yours. Sorry, I should have been more clear about that.

 

[Kpaige]

No problem Barry I take no offense its hard to explain things in writing and people read things differently no matter how clear it seams.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Thanks for the info and answer to my question.

 

[barryallen]

I contacted them and yes the extra layers can be added anywhere. So I have decided to go with architectural.