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jd_1138

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sadly you cant "shoot" anything at anyone for stealing property... including in his wonderful state of NY.. They would hang you for a weapons charge.

If you ran outside with a gun and they confronted you and you killed one youd be in prison... as dumb as that sounds...

Damn, I am glad I don't live in NY. :)

If a burglar confronts you, a person should have the right to protect themselves because for all you know the burglar might be planning to blow you away. The criminal, when caught, needs to just "get the F outta Dodge" and not hang around for a confrontation.
 
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An attorney friend of mine says to put a bullet in them and there will never be 2 sides of the argument.....only yours!

Exactly. Dead people don't have a side of the story..

If they were trying to get in to your shop they know what's in there any they will probably be back..Just curious can you see your shop from the road?
 

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Where do you live?

I think you're probably exaggerating.

A drunk college kid in SD tried breaking thru the front door (wrong house, was mad his front door was locked), got killed when he came in. The home owner had no charges pressed.
 

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I wonder of all the posters who have stated that killing the thief is a good idea have shot and wounded/killed any human being. Outside of war combat, and then there's a good chance not many have killed in war.
 

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That has nothing to do with what I was referencing.

Go back and see the post I quoted that I was originally responding to. It was a guy claiming you could shoot someone just for "trespassing" in his area.
 
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You really going to shoot someone for trying to steal your wrench set and screwdrivers?

I have lights, camera, dogs, etc. But if the typical druggie or kid does break in your shop what are they really going to steal? Most of the time it's something they can carry that is easy to pawn for drugs or cash. I can't see someone carrying a lathe , mill, welder, roll away etc out of your shop while you are sleeping. the most common items stolen from garages are bicycles, power tools, guns, and electronics such as the shop sterio and computer. Don't think I would want to kill someone for stealing my sterio or dewalt drill. Most of the time the damage they cause breaking in actually cost a lot more that the value of the stuff they steal, and your insurance should take care of that.

If you really want them out spend a couple grand and get one of these systems that will fog your garage in a few seconds and will have a loud alarm and strobes. If they don't get out before the smoke fills the room, they become so disorientated with the smoke that the cops just have to wait at the door for the smoke to clear.


Now if someone breaks into your house the rules change drastically becaus you have to assume it's Hanible Lector stopping over to eat you.

Chris
 
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Haha, good luck walking up to a cop with a gun in your hand. A wipe and plant would be your best bet.

My dad always put that quote as " Dead men tell no stories."

After I shot the guy that tried to cut the screen out of my window, I shot him as he was running away, I swapped guns. I took a clean unfired one and went looking for him. You do have to be careful when the cops approach as I did with a DBL shotgun in your hands. Once they checked the gun and saw it was a clean, unfired weapon, they let me go. There is a reason to keep more than one gun around.

Nope, sorry I beg to differ on planting a gun. If he was armed and you shot him, you "took" the gun away from the immediate area of the perp to a secure location for safety. Planting a gun opens a whole new can of forensic evidence. Let's just say I "heard" this from a reliable source...
 

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Of course dead men tell no tales. But you cant do that these days unless you have a lot of property and a backhoe (shoveling 4 graves is too much). You could do the paintball trick. Freeze half of the paintballs, ever wonder what it feels like toget hit with glass marbles at like 250fps? Id also install motion sensing lights, cameras, game cameras and I would put them so they face important areas and avenues of approach. I would also reinforce the doors and windows.

Have you recently met new people, maybe you mentioned the things you do in the garage to someone? Because thats usually how it goes.

My brother had a major break in on his car, they pried the trunk open (idiots, smash a window and grab the release woulda worked better). They wanted his stereo and subwoofer we think. I thought it was the alarm to my truck so I hit my keypad as I had only gotten home like an hour earlier and was still up, I think the noise of the horn going off on mine scared them. But his alarm didnt shut off so I went outside to see wtf. A few days later he sorta figured out who it was he thinks and he told every single person they were very lucky I didnt catch them as I ran outside armed with a gun.
 
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sadly you cant "shoot" anything at anyone for stealing property... including in his wonderful state of NY.. They would hang you for a weapons charge.

If you ran outside with a gun and they confronted you and you killed one youd be in prison... as dumb as that sounds...

Depends on where in the state you are. Once you get beyond where the liberal yuppies commonly call it "upstate" (usually NYC suburbs, the Hudson Valley, and the extension of NYC that is Albany) the other 99% of the state is very conservative. Every year there are quite a few breakins, people "fearing for their life" and criminals that end up dead. No big loss and often either police refuse to arrest or the local DA refuses to press charges. I grew up and still do a bit of fishing/hunting the Catskills, Tug Hill, and the Adirondacks, I cant count the number of times I've had warning shots fired and guns pointed at me for accidentally trespassing, BTDT with trespassers on ours as well.

Best of luck OP, sorry I cant add anything that hasn't already been said. Hope those rat bastards don't get one dam broken Chinese tool from your scrap bin.
 
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Where do you live?

I think you're probably exaggerating.

It's curious how laws and attitudes vary by different parts of the county. Guys from Red States are saying shoot while Blue State folks are warning against it.

Here in Kommiefornia, you can shoot and kill someone who has broken in, but can't if you left the door unlocked.
 

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So many keyboard commando's....

While in 'some' states you 'might' be able to shoot someone for stealing your stuff, it doesn't change the fact you took a life over a simple material object. Want to live the rest of your life with that memory? Want to subject yourself to potential civil lawsuits? Want to loose your house? Over a few tools in your garage?

The story of the college kid being killed is true. A similar case happened with a drunk neighbor. Kicked in the door when his key didn't work. Guy shot him in the hallway. No weapons. Just his drunk neighbor in the wrong house. Turning on the light and telling "Bob, you're in the wrong house" would have been a lot better.

I'm all for the 2nd amendment....and one protecting ones family.

If some knucklehead is in your yard with a weapon and it looks like they intend to do harm....you don't have to wait for them to enter the house. Weapon? Don't belong there? Fair game.

But shooting a couple of kids trying to steal stuff? I'm willing to bet that most of you advocating a gun would be outraged if it was your kid shot.

There is no honor in taking a life. Want to feel 'alone'? Kill someone and find out what isolation is. Even if it's justified. You have no idea of the thoughts the race through your mind as you play the incident over and over again. And that is if it's a 'good' shooting. I never want to know what a 'bad' shooting feels like. A 'good' one is bad enough.

So...the moral of the story is....
Keep the guns 'in the house'
Get a big dog
Put up motion sensing lights
install Cameras
Talk to the police.
 

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It's curious how laws and attitudes vary by different parts of the county. Guys from Red States are saying shoot while Blue State folks are warning against it.

Here in Kommiefornia, you can shoot and kill someone who has broken in, but can't if you left the door unlocked.

That is totally inaccurate.

And based on your use of the term Kommiefornia, I can only assume you have an uneducated opinion void of any real facts.
 

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I'm reposting what I said in a couple previous security threads.

Like others have said, you are not going to stop a determined / experienced thief but you can make it easier for law enforcement to catch them.

On my garage, I put in a commercial steel entry door & frame with commercial grade lockset & deadbolt. Windows are 15 ft above grade and the overhead doors are insulated metal. If someone wants in, they can just ram the overhead doors. My cameras however, should catch the action.

Motion sensing lights make a good deterrent at night. Motion lights with built in camera are even better. A friend, who got robbed when away, after the incident, put up motion sensing lights with the built in cam. He found a few occasions, when checking the cards, of people setting off the light and running away. There are several brands out there, just go with the higher resolution cams.

I prefer the bird house or other covert type cameras. Reason is, a guy that I know who has a junk yard told me the culprits wear hoodies or ski mask and show up on cam but can't ID them. He has since removed all of his camera warning signs and has hidden his cams.

My neighbor is a retired State Trooper and told me they have a very good idea of who the local hooligans are. They just need enough evidence to tie them to the crime.

Set up a camera or two for photographing vehicles. A time stamped photo or video of someone in a hoodie may not be enough for probable cause but along with time stamped vehicle photos or video, they may have a better chance of bringing someone in for questioning. The more evidence the better.

We had a suspicious vehicle cruising the road last summer. Pulled clips of the vehicle from game cam and surveillance cam then neighbor distributed to State Police, Local Police & Sheriff. The vehicle had been reported before. With the photos, they were found and confronted by the Sheriff. They were from away and running scams in the area. Haven't seen them since.

Then you always have the big bad dog option.
 

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OP missed a great deterrent opportunity. He was lucky enough to have woken up at the right time. Best move would have been to do nothing except call the police immediately. They would have arrived with flashing lights and maybe sirens. The local miscreants may not have been caught, but they’d certainly need a change of underwear knowing the police mysteriously arrived at 3AM. Even if they only shared half a brain between them, they’d not be likely to return to test your magic silent alarm again. If you were really lucky, they’d share their story with their friends.

If anything did get damaged or stolen waiting for police arrival, you’d have a police report to back up the insurance claim.

Obviously most people aren’t in their clearest frame of mind when waking up at 3AM to something like this and natural instinct is to protect your property. Next time redirect your natural impulse to the phone instead of the front door.
 

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You really going to shoot someone for trying to steal your wrench set and screwdrivers?

Chris

Frankly, yes, I would in a heartbeat. Let's be honest here ... these aren't people stealing a loaf of bread to get by. They're lowlife scum, stealing because someone has something and they're jealous. If they were worth the air they consume, they'd work to have it themselves. Instead they deprive others of their hard earned goods. How many hours of his life did the OP work to earn those tools? If I told you that I was going to steal 3 hours of your life, you'd be pretty outraged. Well that's what those tools represent. Maybe a lot more than 3 hours.

As for the perps ... scum. What value do they provide the community? They're a destructive force that the community can do without. If you hired a mason to build a house, and someone came along every 20 minutes and took a brick out of the middle of his work, would you recognize it then?
 

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Frankly, yes, I would in a heartbeat. Let's be honest here ... these aren't people stealing a loaf of bread to get by. They're lowlife scum, stealing because someone has something and they're jealous. If they were worth the air they consume, they'd work to have it themselves. Instead they deprive others of their hard earned goods. How many hours of his life did the OP work to earn those tools? If I told you that I was going to steal 3 hours of your life, you'd be pretty outraged. Well that's what those tools represent. Maybe a lot more than 3 hours.

As for the perps ... scum. What value do they provide the community? They're a destructive force that the community can do without. If you hired a mason to build a house, and someone came along every 20 minutes and took a brick out of the middle of his work, would you recognize it then?

The cable repair guy steals at least three hours of my life every time he shows up late.
Maybe I should shoot him.:lol_hitti. Joking of course.

I was robbed years ago when I lived in philly. They got a sterio and a TV(both of which would have been in the trash in a few years anyway) The insurance company paid the claim, I upgraded to a better sterio and TV, and I moved on with my life. If you have proper insurance the most this should cause you is some aggravation. You can also use this as an opportunity to upgrade your tools by adding some of your own money to the money from the insurance check.

You shoot someone(even if it is justifiable), the repercussions can cost you a lot more time and money than the few hours of your life that the druggie stold from you. If the cards fall the wrong way, protecting your screwdriver set could cost you the rest of your life.

It's not your job to execute people you consider low life scum. It looked neat when Bronson did it in death wish, but that was just a movie. Real life is different, and there are repercussions for shooting someone (even if you feel it is justifiable). I would reserve shooting someone to protecting my life or family, I would feel the exact same way if I were sitting on the jury for your murder trial. You want to risk getting 11 more like me on your jury? If you do, you are going away.

I'm a life NRA member, and every time someone shoots someone for something as trivial as "stealing screwdrivers". It only gives the anti gun people more ammo in thier persuit to take my guns away. Please don't give them any more ammo.

Chris
 
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In my area of town which is a slightly older upper blue collar family, I am so far off the main 3 access points to the community that traffic is mostly very local as in primarily the families that live here.

When I built I specified only one small slider window 1x2 opposite from the door's deadbolt. Window as small as it is May get grating despite I doubt anyone will try to go squeeze thru that. Deadbolt will be even more strengthened up.

Big door is getting a LM8500 with lower track power lock. If I am called to work out of town, and no other reason for any one to be in there, it will be padlocked on opposite side.

But I still putting 2 dual brite lights on 3 of the four walls, low on dusk to dawn but motion sensed to high candlepower. Eventually i will go with the Vivint wireless security system when all my upgrades are done, even more so when a cutie moves in. Best part is a very territorial pit bull that has gone after friends, I'd hate to be on her bad side when she realizes you ain't supposed to be where you are.

Make it a place they don't want to be seen, make it a ***** to get into, is my advice
 
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