Building a 75'x75' hangar (18' sidewalls) and pouring the slab in a week. I think my google search ended me in the right place. Although used for building kit airplane (vansaircraft.com), I also intend on putting in a CNC mill, Welding, Wood working, maybe paint booth, and need ideas on layout etc. Sort of the ultimate man cave. Building a 12'x40' 2 story structure in the back for climate controlled office/media room, but am still struggling with things like "dust collection systems" (maybe 2 stage for vacuum), in slab duct work, compressor lines etc. Once the slab is poured, obviously the options change. ?Radiant heat/cool? Epoxy covering on slab? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. It is an open canvas.
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little d
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what ever you do, don't ask about pvc for air lines, and for gods sake, if you use zip ties, cut the tails off! lol, now that we have that out of the way, welcome, look around, enjoy yourself. theres a wealth of info here.
Check Oneida Gorilla series for vacuum that's what I use. If you put ducts in slab, consider building a chase system, so you can access, I've heard horror stories... Love the radiant heat, wish I'd have gone that way. Just posted about pex-al-pex for compressed air, I'm a fan. Last but not least, the floor. I used ppg 700psx on my floor, used by NASA and the local hangers. But, I really like the polished concrete look.
Heavy Metal Doctor
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That's a lot of stuff to have in one shop...millions of possibilities...
I would sugesst 2 things:
1: keep the dirty stuff away from the sensitive clean stuff -- CNC mill in opposite corner from welding / grinding equipment
2: Work out your layout just like a floor plan for building a house - if you don't have something already, I found a simple, easy to use program for free that I used to set up our new shop at work - search "google sketchup" and you'll find it.
I would sugesst 2 things:
1: keep the dirty stuff away from the sensitive clean stuff -- CNC mill in opposite corner from welding / grinding equipment
2: Work out your layout just like a floor plan for building a house - if you don't have something already, I found a simple, easy to use program for free that I used to set up our new shop at work - search "google sketchup" and you'll find it.
You owe me a new lap top because i just spit tea all over mine
Welcome aboard R7237 there is a a lot of resources here be fore warned you will spend lot's of time going thru all the thread's that are here
1320stang
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Welcome, you might fill out your location, a general part of the country will do if you don't want to give your exact location. This way we might know of a local resource to help you, plus it gives us an idea of possible snow/wind loads, footing depth, insulation requirements, etc.
Personally, I love the look of an epoxy floor, but in a working shop, I think I'd go with polished concrete.
Personally, I love the look of an epoxy floor, but in a working shop, I think I'd go with polished concrete.
Whow,,, I didn't even expect a response. Thank you so much for the advice. I have enjoyed looking thru the forum for ideas. Thank you Scramblur for the vacuum idea. This thread is awsome http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46593 and changed the way I think I am going to lay out the "shop". I will send photos as the process continues for 2 reasons,,, 1) will be helpful for others and 2) will give me the motivation to keep it in "operating room" cleanliness. For 1320stang, I am in central georgia and think after a lot of research, going to avoid the hassle of the radiant system (just too beautiful of a climate). Thank you all so much,,, what a great resource.
And for Heavy Metal Doctor, I love sketch up. Have laid out the design about 20 times only to completely change everything after viewing these forums. Nothing like learning from those that already know. Must be the engineer in me.
bazzateer
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I hope he treats you well and cooks you breakfast in the morning? Only joking, I'm just jealous of the space you're going to have!
Have you thought out;
Storage
Power, I would assume that you have 3-phase coming in
Charging station for the electric forklift
over head crane
His and hers restrooms
fire suppression
mezzanies in some areas
I assume that you know that a CNC mill needs a whole slew of supporting machines.
A loading dock for material deliveries
Climate control for the machine shop. Precision and stable temps go together.
If you plan on employees or customers there are you ADA compliant?
Chemical storage.
A building that size is bordering on commercial size. Do you plan on clear span or are you dividing things up? You can put in facilities drops where ever if you plan for it and have stub outs installed under the roof. Do you plan on this being your personal playshed or will you do business there?
lots of unknowns here but I envy the plan.
lg
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Storage
Power, I would assume that you have 3-phase coming in
Charging station for the electric forklift
over head crane
His and hers restrooms
fire suppression
mezzanies in some areas
I assume that you know that a CNC mill needs a whole slew of supporting machines.
A loading dock for material deliveries
Climate control for the machine shop. Precision and stable temps go together.
If you plan on employees or customers there are you ADA compliant?
Chemical storage.
A building that size is bordering on commercial size. Do you plan on clear span or are you dividing things up? You can put in facilities drops where ever if you plan for it and have stub outs installed under the roof. Do you plan on this being your personal playshed or will you do business there?
lots of unknowns here but I envy the plan.
lg
no neat sig line
Wingnut65
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Welcome to GJ R7237. Your hangar sounds awesome. Some of the different toys may need their own rooms to keep the clean side clean and the usable side fun. When you do come up with a layout, post them and you will get plenty of opinions, some may actually be helpful. Larry G above has a lot of thought provoking items to consider that really saves time if incorporated from the beginning.
Any friend of Van is a friend of mine... Which one you planning for? I got the 7A preview plans but finance minister vetoed the budget request for now. Maybe after the kids are out of college...
Good Luck with your build(s).
Any friend of Van is a friend of mine... Which one you planning for? I got the 7A preview plans but finance minister vetoed the budget request for now. Maybe after the kids are out of college...
Good Luck with your build(s).
ddawg16
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Hanger? I'm assuming you will be putting an airplane in there....I have some experience in this area...my BIL is into war birds.....
With that assumption....everthing has to be along the wall....protecting the airplane is #1.
Almost all of the tools boxes I have seen in hangers are always lower than the wings...less chance of running the ede of it into the sheetmetal....
And, yea....ya gotta have a bathroom....God knows how many bain cells I've killed with one of my buddies who has a nice T6....late night working on the plane...kick back with a few colds ones afterwards...come about 2am, that bathroom has had a lot of use....his alcove bunk beds come in handy.
With that assumption....everthing has to be along the wall....protecting the airplane is #1.
Almost all of the tools boxes I have seen in hangers are always lower than the wings...less chance of running the ede of it into the sheetmetal....
And, yea....ya gotta have a bathroom....God knows how many bain cells I've killed with one of my buddies who has a nice T6....late night working on the plane...kick back with a few colds ones afterwards...come about 2am, that bathroom has had a lot of use....his alcove bunk beds come in handy.
Thought I would send some updates to show progress. The first picture is the metal frame of the 16'x40' upper space for "lounge". I plan on using the lower space for a workshop and putting welding "curtains" in order to allow me to have AC and heat isolated from the overall space. The second photo is the outside of the hangar (75'x75') with a 60'x14' bifold door. Next step is the lounge, vacuum, air compressor, and welding area. The floor is amazingly flat and smooth and was done with the "laser" leveling. Still debating on the polished concrete, just not wanting to spend the money vs the simple epoxy paint. Any recommendations on ideas is greatly appreciated.
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I like this layout planner http://www.cbstructuresinc.com/layout-planner/ super easy to use, but maybe not as powerful as Sketchup.
toolchaser
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Welcome R7237, my advice if you can swing it, get everything done before you move in. It REALLY sux to do it with non mobile equipment installed. Don't ask me how I know. Are you around the Macon area or further south? What kind of CNC equip do you have?
sarel.wagner
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Only 3 things to worry about, storage storage and storage. Get the general working areas defined, have enough open space around whatever the largest thing you think about working on. Then tackle workbenches and storage.
Then walk it and work it in your mind. 18' walls will allow lots of storage, vertically. Get a fork lift if you don't yet have one then storage is no problem up high.
Lighting the place, look out for lumens and CRI. 4' FL lights and high bay Metal Halides may be the best option, use a combination of them. Look up an Application called Visual, 30 day free trial, do the design for the lights in there, use the basic version and then open the design in the full version to tweak it
Electrical reticulation and dust control are the next items, then air hard lines, then whatever are your priorities.
Enjoy the build (challenges) and the space
Rgrds
Then walk it and work it in your mind. 18' walls will allow lots of storage, vertically. Get a fork lift if you don't yet have one
then storage is no problem up high.Lighting the place, look out for lumens and CRI. 4' FL lights and high bay Metal Halides may be the best option, use a combination of them. Look up an Application called Visual, 30 day free trial, do the design for the lights in there, use the basic version and then open the design in the full version to tweak it
Electrical reticulation and dust control are the next items, then air hard lines, then whatever are your priorities.
Enjoy the build (challenges) and the space
Rgrds
Just thought I would send some updates, as I seem to spend a good bit of time watching everyone else's builds. As I have done all the work myself, it has been slow going, but have finished the "lounge" to the stage of needing sheetrock. Windows were taken out of an old building that was being torn down. Outside sheeting is OSB for now, awaiting metal sheeting like the outside of the building. I think I am more excited about finishing out the lower section as the workshop. Landing for the stairs is an outer dimension 6' x 8' room that will be a bathroom. I didn't want to use up any of the 16' x 40' space as a landing. Stairs are 2x12 runs with 1x8 rise built on 16' 2x12 stringers (x3). Door openings at either end are 32" (which I am now sort of regretting not going 36". With the insulation in, and plastic over the doors, the 9' ceiling 16'x40' space is easily kept comfortable with a small space heater. Part of that is climate, the other part is that the structure is inside an insulated hangar. Lot of the design ideas are taken directly from this site, and felt I should contribute back something I think the best lesson to date is that by taking your time and researching every decision (and doing your own work), one can build a great space with little money. I will continue sending updates and better pictures as the build progresses.
I think the best lesson to date is that by taking your time and researching every decision (and doing your own work), one can build a great space with little money. I will continue sending updates and better pictures as the build progresses.Attachments
mustangmccance
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you might want to try photobucket for your pictures it is very easy to use and then you get full size pictures loaded. you can also use the same photos on other forums without having to upload them again.
http://photobucket.com/
http://photobucket.com/
garagehangar
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Please take a look at my garage Hangar hope you enjoy.
Sort of funny.... saw the video many months ago related to the doors for the wings. Like the design very much. Good place... very functional space. My build is taking some time, as I am doing it all my self. Will post some results soon.
Cars&Classic
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Love the Vans planes! I helped my grandfather and uncle build one of the frst RV3's. That had to be 30-35 years ago. The Rv4 was just an Idea for Van at that time. still remember going to oshkosh and every year there would be a few new Rv's there were only 3 there the first year my unckle took his. Such a cool plane!