Shop w/loft apartment

[EXBRONCO]

Hi
Been a long time watcher, Need opinions/advice.
I want to have a 40 x 60 steel building put up and put in 20x 40 loft to live in.
I want to live in Kingman AZ. Anyone build in Kingman? Is it going to be easy,or hard?
I know it's a difficult question to answer, given all the variables.

Thanks

 

[theoldwizard1]

Biggest issue will be local zoning.

 

[Stuart in MN]

There have been a number of similar builds here that you may be able to find with a search. Try looking for 'barndominium' as they are sometimes called that.

 

[K'ledgeBldr]

Biggest issue will be local zoning.

This ^^^ is where you start- if it’s not allowed, there’s no point going any further.

 

[drmarkr]

My "loft" is in one corner. ~500sf. Used steel for the base structure, then wood framing for the apartment/man cave. Small kitchen and bath with shower.

 

[Red 17]

"Living" areas have to be sealed off from vehicle areas. Your corner steel loft becomes a barbeque rack if there is a fire, but whoever is there will probably be dead from fumes or CO before they cook.

5/8" drywall, fireproof caulking, fireproof doors.

 

[justanengineer]

The standard red iron buildings sold as shops can’t legally be lived in anywhere stateside, not enough structure. Building a similar steel building that can will be big bucks, it’d be significantly cheaper just to build a proper stick structure like every spec builder.


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[EXBRONCO]

theoldwizard1
Yes, that's the plan. I'll hope for the best

 

[EXBRONCO]

Stuart in MN
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll do

 

[EXBRONCO]

K'ledgeBLDR
So true, I'm afraid of the answers I'll get

 

[EXBRONCO]

drmarkr
Thanks for your time. Unfortunately your photos didn't work.

 

[EXBRONCO]

Red 17
Yes that's what my research came up with also
Thanks

 

[EXBRONCO]

justanenieneer
IF that's true, that will be very unfortunate
Thanks for your time
Thanks to all

 

[tez929rr]

Lots of inhabited steel buildings around here. Generally it’s tough to have vehicles and living space in the same structure because of fumes, as mentioned. I’m sure you could seal off the living portion somehow, but I haven’t seen anyone do it.

We have a two bedroom apartment in a steel building and other than the suspended ceiling it’s indistinguishable from stick built on the inside.

 

[nadogail]

You may have issues with the local building department or housing authority.

 

[My Old Tools]

The standard red iron buildings sold as shops can’t legally be lived in anywhere stateside, not enough structure. Building a similar steel building that can will be big bucks, it’d be significantly cheaper just to build a proper stick structure like every spec builder.


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That's wrong on so many levels. I have done it and so have thousands of others.

 

[My Old Tools]

Lots of inhabited steel buildings around here. Generally it’s tough to have vehicles and living space in the same structure because of fumes, as mentioned. I’m sure you could seal off the living portion somehow, but I haven’t seen anyone do it.

You mean like an attached garage in every house in America?

 

[justanengineer]

That's wrong on so many levels. I have done it and so have thousands of others.

Sure, lots of folks do it ignorantly or illegally, in unincorporated areas or under lazy/ignorant inspectors. Eventually a decent inspector gets hired or they make an insurance claim, then SHTF. FWIW the upper end of standard builds from Morton and other “better” fabricators is still a class I non-inhabitable structure. The last inhabitable steel building I quoted was $150/ft2, which is a far cry in price and structure from the common ~$20/ft2 building folks erect here.


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[My Old Tools]

Sure, lots of folks do it ignorantly or illegally, in unincorporated areas or under lazy/ignorant inspectors. Eventually a decent inspector gets hired or they make an insurance claim, then SHTF. FWIW the upper end of standard builds from Morton and other “better” fabricators is still a class I non-inhabitable structure. The last inhabitable steel building I quoted was $150/ft2, which is a far cry in price and structure from the common ~$20/ft2 building folks erect here.


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Nothing illegal about it and the ignorance is on you. Not everyone in the country is saddled with rules that contribute nothing to the safety or livability of a structure. You can build it just as nice as any home in America inside, and the structure is tight, stronger than stick built, fireproof, etc. Studs and sheetrock inside is the same as any other home. Same with cabinets, plumbing etc. None of which is affected by the steel shell. A red iron shell is perfectly fine. We have no problem getting insurance, and the bank had no problem with the inspection or loan to my new buyer.

 

[1redTA]

I have a friend who did just that, metal clear span building with a house one side and shop the other, he even polished and stained the concrete for the house portions floors

 

[EXBRONCO]

Thanks to all that have taken the time to respond.
Your word give me hope. But as stated earlier, WE'LL just have to hear what the City and OR County has to say. Want to be Legal as possible and not get into any trouble with THE LAW!!

 

[CraigStu]

Make a personal appointment w/ the office that issues building permits for your location. Go there w/ a plat of the property and maybe 6 copies. Talk w/ him about your overall goal and ask for his suggestions. Maybe they won't like it being a loft. Maybe it would be better to just ad length to the building. There are plenty of businesses that have a tall steel building where the work happens and a one story on the end for office or showroom. But whatever suggestions he has will be worth listening to. Much smaller but we did a garage addition 7 yrs ago and I started w/ the appointment. Actually made three trips. The guy was super helpful and my contractor loved it. When he went for the permit, the same county guy looked at the plans, recognized my name, saw that the drawings were a pro version of what he and I had been doing w/ a pencil, and told the contractor to come back tomorrow for the permit.

 

[firebirdparts]

Sure, lots of folks do it ignorantly or illegally, in unincorporated areas or under lazy/ignorant inspectors. Eventually a decent inspector gets hired or they make an insurance claim, then SHTF. FWIW the upper end of standard builds from Morton and other “better” fabricators is still a class I non-inhabitable structure. The last inhabitable steel building I quoted was $150/ft2, which is a far cry in price and structure from the common ~$20/ft2 building folks erect here.


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You are living in an imaginary world.

 

[el monte slim]

Make a personal appointment w/ the office that issues building permits for your location. Go there w/ a plat of the property and maybe 6 copies. Talk w/ him about your overall goal and ask for his suggestions. Maybe they won't like it being a loft. Maybe it would be better to just ad length to the building. There are plenty of businesses that have a tall steel building where the work happens and a one story on the end for office or showroom. But whatever suggestions he has will be worth listening to. Much smaller but we did a garage addition 7 yrs ago and I started w/ the appointment. Actually made three trips. The guy was super helpful and my contractor loved it. When he went for the permit, the same county guy looked at the plans, recognized my name, saw that the drawings were a pro version of what he and I had been doing w/ a pencil, and told the contractor to come back tomorrow for the permit.

You were smart to go about it this way, and the results you achieved are the proof. Thanks for sharing this example of how people should approach this sort of thing.

 

[tez929rr]

The standard red iron buildings sold as shops can’t legally be lived in anywhere stateside, not enough structure. Building a similar steel building that can will be big bucks, it’d be significantly cheaper just to build a proper stick structure like every spec builder.


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Nothing illegal about it and the ignorance is on you. Not everyone in the country is saddled with rules that contribute nothing to the safety or livability of a structure. You can build it just as nice as any home in America inside, and the structure is tight, stronger than stick built, fireproof, etc. Studs and sheetrock inside is the same as any other home. Same with cabinets, plumbing etc. None of which is affected by the steel shell. A red iron shell is perfectly fine. We have no problem getting insurance, and the bank had no problem with the inspection or loan to my new buyer.

Make a personal appointment w/ the office that issues building permits for your location. Go there w/ a plat of the property and maybe 6 copies. Talk w/ him about your overall goal and ask for his suggestions. Maybe they won't like it being a loft. Maybe it would be better to just ad length to the building. There are plenty of businesses that have a tall steel building where the work happens and a one story on the end for office or showroom. But whatever suggestions he has will be worth listening to. Much smaller but we did a garage addition 7 yrs ago and I started w/ the appointment. Actually made three trips. The guy was super helpful and my contractor loved it. When he went for the permit, the same county guy looked at the plans, recognized my name, saw that the drawings were a pro version of what he and I had been doing w/ a pencil, and told the contractor to come back tomorrow for the permit.

My Old Tools stated it well. Some of you all need to realize that there are vast swaths of the country where the local .gov doesn't care about what sort of structure you live in. In our county nothing is inspected except for septic systems and wells - and that is only at initial installation. There are no periodic inspections. The property tax appraiser can't even enter your property without your permission.

I hope the OP's government has a light touch.

 

[CraigStu]

My Old Tools stated it well. Some of you all need to realize that there are vast swaths of the country where the local .gov doesn't care about what sort of structure you live in.
I hope the OP's government has a light touch.

I understand. Just for the heck of it I looked, and the OP is 40-50 miles out of LasVegas. I have no idea how his local laws are. But, if he makes an appointment w/ whoever is in charge, has a 5 or 20 or 30 minute meeting w/ him, then he will know for sure. I can't see how that could hurt. I once built a 10x15 deck w/o permit. Turned out I then had too much impermeable coverage and it cost more to remove the gravel I had added next to the garage, and fill w/ topsoil, have the project inspected twice, etc, than it did to build the deck. Our friend down the street was on the water on two lots. Their retirement plan had been to redraw the deviding line a little to accommodate the garage they had added to the house which covered some of the line and be able to sell the other lot. They found out by accident that in 2 months, if there was a building that crossed the line, the line would disappear. 2 weeks later, they tore down a nice oversize 2 car garage, and the above ground pool behind it that was surrounded by a beautiful deck. So yeah, to me, making any assumptions about building anything is not a smart idea.

 

[toyotadriver]

Sure, lots of folks do it ignorantly or illegally, in unincorporated areas or under lazy/ignorant inspectors. Eventually a decent inspector gets hired or they make an insurance claim, then SHTF. FWIW the upper end of standard builds from Morton and other “better” fabricators is still a class I non-inhabitable structure. The last inhabitable steel building I quoted was $150/ft2, which is a far cry in price and structure from the common ~$20/ft2 building folks erect here.


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Not remotely true for where I live. OP could build what he wants with no issues or concerns.

 

[ZRX61]

There are a bunch of barndominiums on here.

 

[Dozerhand]

My brother in law just built a pole barn type structure with garage on one end and living quarters in the other. Told me its called a "shouse" .