benniesrad
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just finished my new garage and was about to install rustoleum epoxy shield but started looking on the reviews and it got me worried lot of bad reviews what do you guys think?
should I use rustoleum epoxy
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Garage-Tech
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Generally most of us wont suggest it. Their are far better products available. Decide what your really looking for as a final finished product and talk to some of the venders on here. They can put together a package of products to help you out.
My 2 cents ...
My 2 cents ...
danieldolin
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I used this product and it looked great for about a year, then started to lose color under car tires with normal driving. After about 3 years the color started to come off in the center of the garage which I believe is from road salt during the winter months on our shoes walking down the center of the garage. It has been about 5 years now since I first painted it on and I am now going to be installing Racedeck tiles over it. FWIW it still looks great on the raised area of the garage floor where no cars / tires / road salt goes.
If I could do it again, I would have started with a better product in the first place as now it is not cost effective to do a proper job of removal / replace the epoxy. That said, I could not even be certain that a more expensive / better product would even perform better than the Rustoleum did for the conditions here with road salt winters and hot tire summers. That is why I chose to just install the floor tiles over it and be done.
If I could do it again, I would have started with a better product in the first place as now it is not cost effective to do a proper job of removal / replace the epoxy. That said, I could not even be certain that a more expensive / better product would even perform better than the Rustoleum did for the conditions here with road salt winters and hot tire summers. That is why I chose to just install the floor tiles over it and be done.
I used the "mineral based" product when it first came out.
No complaints here. Then again, I don't expect a "showroom shine" or get all worked up about scratches. I just want a light gray floor that doesn't soak up oil and is easy to sweep.
No complaints here. Then again, I don't expect a "showroom shine" or get all worked up about scratches. I just want a light gray floor that doesn't soak up oil and is easy to sweep.
Ben7203
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I spoke to a guy at Lowe's and he told me to use a solvent base product. He said the water base product is OK for the basement, not for the garage.
kyles974
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Advise from someone who has spent the last year, maybe longer, reading and reading, about epoxy floor systems.
There are a couple of guys here that have good luck with Rustoleum, but I have read to many that have not have had good luck. So......
I almost went with Rustoluem because I got tired of myself and banging my head on which epoxy to go with. At the end, I did decide not to go with Rustoleum.
This will be hopefully a one time application for me, so I looked else where.
I'm currently working with Scotty with Legacy Industrial. Legacy, along with some other vender's here have a much superior product than above.
Good luck.
Keep
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2 years ago I would have said yes as I had installed it on my floor and was happy with it.
Now not so much. This summer I will be most likely grinding off half of the garage floor and applying something else. The rustoleum held up well at first but started lifting close to the door. Now it is lifting in other places as well.
I will see if I have any pics around of the damage.
Now not so much. This summer I will be most likely grinding off half of the garage floor and applying something else. The rustoleum held up well at first but started lifting close to the door. Now it is lifting in other places as well.
I will see if I have any pics around of the damage.
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I used Rustoleum in '03 at my last house and it sucked. After about a year and a half it began to peel and chip just like the photos that KEEP posted. I contacted Rustoleum and they asked me to send them some of the chips. After a couple of weeks they sent me 3 new kits but said that I was on my own as far as the cost of removal and installation of the new coating. Pretty good customer service I guess but what good does that do if the product *****? I moved before I got around to re-doing the floor so I cant comment on whether it is any better now. I just did my new house with ROCKSOLID FLOORS and it is awesome. Installation was very easy (other than the prep work) I got the tan garagecoat kits for free through a market study on Garage Journal but I added SHARKSKIN anti slip to it and then topped it off with a clear coat. The finish with out anti slip was like glass. I kinda wish I would have left it that way becasue it looked so good. So far it has been 5 months and it is indestructable. No hot tire pick up and I have moved lots of heavy equipment around including moving my engines around on engine stands that have steel wheels with no issues.
You have to understand there's two products.
A water-based and a solvent-based.
The water-based is ****.
The solvent-based is pretty good.
Also, you have to take into consideration thickness. Many of the guys that have trouble just put down one coat.
On a per-sq/ft basis, I think the solvent based is definitely a good value. Do good prep, apply two color coats and a clear coat and it will last to normal garage activities.
I did my garage 2.5 years ago, have no lifting, flaking, etc. The shine/gloss where the tires roll has dulled and I fully expect it to start wearing through in another 3-4 years.
But to me, $0.70/sqft for 5-6 years of a great looking garage is worth the money.
A water-based and a solvent-based.
The water-based is ****.
The solvent-based is pretty good.
Also, you have to take into consideration thickness. Many of the guys that have trouble just put down one coat.
On a per-sq/ft basis, I think the solvent based is definitely a good value. Do good prep, apply two color coats and a clear coat and it will last to normal garage activities.
I did my garage 2.5 years ago, have no lifting, flaking, etc. The shine/gloss where the tires roll has dulled and I fully expect it to start wearing through in another 3-4 years.
But to me, $0.70/sqft for 5-6 years of a great looking garage is worth the money.
Garage Flooring
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PLEASE DON'T. I do not have an epoxy to sell you but their are plenty of good ones on the market. Legacy Industrial, Rock Solid (not an epoxy but a coating) and I believe many have had good luck with Epoxy Coat.
LBI Joe
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NO! I used it less than 2 years ago and it is now peeling up in chunks. I was very meticulous about the preparation. Now I'm going to have to spend $$$ to have it removed so I can put down proper flooring. Do it right the first time.
flybefree
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No, installed two years ago...fading and and failing in spots.
Shaun
Shaun
munkey
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I used SW "Tile-Clad High Solids", one of the better solvent based epoxies that is a reasonable price, available in any color, and stocked fairly widely. If you decide to use a solvent based product, consider thinning the first ("primer") coat by about 25% using the base solvent; you get much better adhesion by allowing the thinner mixture to deeply penetrate the pores. This advice was given to me by a very experienced Sherwin Williams rep and probably applies to other solvent based epoxies also.
I did 2 garages and one porch; all three used one primer coat, two full strength coats, and one moisture cure urethane clearcoat. All 3 surfaces have held up beautifully so far, after about 2 years.
I did 2 garages and one porch; all three used one primer coat, two full strength coats, and one moisture cure urethane clearcoat. All 3 surfaces have held up beautifully so far, after about 2 years.
waxoffwaxon
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I can tell you that no manufacture actually guarantees against "hot tire" pickup. Also, during prep did you check for moister levels in the concrete. Does not matter if you use water based or not if the moister in the concrete is to high.
But overall, do not use water based products for a garage floor
Clint
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But overall, do not use water based products for a garage floor
Clint
www.waxoffwaxon.com
I do everything myself, almost to a fault.
When it comes to epoxy floor coatings, I suggest you hire someone who backs their work.
It can get screwed up really easily, and having someone to re-do it for you is worth it.
When it comes to epoxy floor coatings, I suggest you hire someone who backs their work.
It can get screwed up really easily, and having someone to re-do it for you is worth it.
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benniesrad
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thanks every one took back that rustoleum junk looking now for a new product lets see what I get.If any one has suggestions that
will help thanks again.
will help thanks again.
kyles974
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Although I have not purchased any at this time. (Waiting to get working again, seasonal) BUT, I would look into
Legacy Industrail
http://legacyindustrial.net/cart/?zenid=731438e8c2cc41282e89b69d18bf3655
Scotty is active on the Garage Jornal too.
From what I have read, this is IMOP (in my honest opinion) the best epoxy system for the dollar. Again, I'm one with only hundred's of hours of reading on epoxy. IMHP, anything cheaper is not the greatest quality. Any epoxy around the same price, give or take couple hundred, I've seen to many DIY's have problems. (not saying the "other's" epoxy is less quality, just have read alot of improper install's)
I base my opinion on pricing a 600sq. ft. garage floor.
Did you use water based or solvent based?
Did you use water based or solvent based?
Ultimate Floors by Rhino
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60% of the floors I do I have to removed DIY kit epoxy that the home owner bought at a big box store.
Just to be clear this is only applies for the DIY kits.
Just to be clear this is only applies for the DIY kits.
Here is the thing, that guy you pay to put the floor down could screw it up the first time. There are tons of things that could go wrong. Not cleaned right, not mixed right, wrong temperature, etc.
However, when you pay someone to do it, they have to keep doing it until its right.
However, when you pay someone to do it, they have to keep doing it until its right.
kyles974
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is rhino's a DIY?
regguy1
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I have almost 2 years on my epoxy floor and it's held up well, see it in this video:
Here's the gallery page with more info:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140674
Here's the gallery page with more info:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140674
Ultimate Floors by Rhino
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The FastFloor system is not DIY. Rhino does now sell a DIY epoxy kit but I have not personally seen, used or known anyone that has used it.
fredlangva
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You need to add the top coat to the Rustoleum product for better wear resistance. So by the time you do the math, Epoxycoat and Rocksolid are cheaper or the same.
Any coating job will depend on the floor prep. I had a new floor so just an acid etch and everything went down fine. My friend at work has Rustoleum on his and needs to replace it after 6 years, so it's a Diamond grind for him.
You can also consider porcelain tile - if you get a good deal, can be cheaper than Epoxy.
I'm pretty happy with the Epoxy Coat so far.
Any coating job will depend on the floor prep. I had a new floor so just an acid etch and everything went down fine. My friend at work has Rustoleum on his and needs to replace it after 6 years, so it's a Diamond grind for him.
You can also consider porcelain tile - if you get a good deal, can be cheaper than Epoxy.
I'm pretty happy with the Epoxy Coat so far.