Show off your DOE's!

[Oldtuleguy]

I have seen that design before, maybe on a blackhawk wrench. Never tried one but you have peaked my interest.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Here it is

 

[Outlawmws]

I nearly left it there too, thinking it was a specialty wrench. I looked harder, saw "Peugeot" and the sizes and decided to see if it was really a flank drive. It WAS! I'm glad I didn't leave it behind!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Nice find, Outlaw. notlob posted the French patent (very early as I recall, 1915 or something like that...) somewhere in a thread where we were having a discussion/debate about ALred Kavalar's "Loc-Rite" design for Kelsey-Hayes if you want to poke around.

 

[Jazz1]

Quite a assortment of brands DOE’s at Restore today

 

[Heavymetal]

Here’s my wrenches. It’s not too old but that Armstrong 1/2-9/16 is a definite tool I use a lot. The other ones I have no idea what they are. Sizes on one side,other side they’re numbered like a set. Any ideas?

 

[TTMotorsports]

Blue point. Flume and new Britain

 

[Outlawmws]

So his happened much faster that I expected! After finding the Peugeot, "flank drive" DOE, and looking on the Bay, I bought one the next size up. it came in TODAY!

I assumed it must have been MUCH closer that I realized! it want! ir came from Pennsylvania! (Ordered LATE Friday, got here BEFORE Noon!)

here is is with it's sibling. not the recessed panel on the larger, and none on the smaller. I checked more listings, and apparently it was because the smaller one was too small for the recess, as all the 8 X 10's I saw were the same as were the larger sizes consistent with the recess...

I tested the 14MM and I STILL like these! Good wrenches! MUCH better than a Std DOE for grip!

BTW, I discover that the Peugeot "Brothers" is a tool company? I'm not sure this is the same as the Peugeot car company as yet. (been too rushed to do proper research, and others made this assumption...)

 

[Oldtuleguy]

That is interesting. I had assumed the same.

 

[LesserSon]

What happened to the 17/19mm? That 12/14mm was listed from Medford OR, right? And it showed up marked as shipped from PA? Maybe the seller was traveling? Mighty interesting.

 

[Outlawmws]

No LS that was a different auction. I bought a single 12/14.

I did buy the other set out of Oregon as well though; last night on best offer. This way I have 12 & 14 for both sides, and these will become my new "Yard set" in a home made for metrics, covers most sizes and are light as well, when not being used for that the roll will be in the Toy van for those quick jobs that come up.

 

[Outlawmws]

So a little more info on the Peugeot company background:

Started by 2 brothers in 1810, and originally made coffee grinders, then got into industrial metal working and tools and such. They dabbled with cars in the 1890's then one family member split off to make the Peugeot car company.

Since these wrenches have "Peugeot Freres" (Peugeot Brothers") on them, almost certainly made by the older tool making branch of the family companies, FOR the Auto Company. (these have been seen in sets for delivery with the cars, as was common "back in the day".

Apparently the 8, 10, 12, 14, 17, and 19mm were commonly used on the models these were sold with. (I have yet to see another size combination, but I'm still looking...)

The reference to another thread got me a reference to another forum, but was a dead link...

A bit more digging on the patent; while there is a couple of 1954 US patents, the original french patent is referenced, and that reference is HERE: But no link to the 1928 or 1934 French patents...

 

[misterbill]

I've been trying to piece together an early WWII-era GMTK set of Williams Chrome-Alloy Superrenches. I've got them all but the 1027-C so far. Thought I'd share.

Bill

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Fascinating, Outlaw.

 

[d42jeep]

I've been trying to piece together an early WWII-era GMTK set of Williams Chrome-Alloy Superrenches. I've got them all but the 1027-C so far. Thought I'd share.

Bill

Bill,
Those are nice. I’ll keep an eye out for a 27C.
These are my oddball DOE finds from yesterday. Two brands I probably won’t be owning anytime soon.
-Don

 

[Land Rover 109]

An the real oddball: A French made Peugeot "Flank Drive" in 8 & 10MM.

On sketchy evidence they made larger DOEs in 12X14, 17X19, and 28X30.

Outlaw, they certainly made them in more sizes- I believe in every mm increment from 8 up to at least 32 mm, kind of like two sets, one with the even increments (ie: your 12-14) and another set of the odd increments, like 17-19 mm or 13-15 and so on.
I have a fairly full set from 8-9mm up to 32mm. Thats where things get interesting- my 32mm has a 29mm opposing end rather than a 30mm as one might expect!

 

[Outlawmws]

Thanks for the heads up!

So far all I've seen are:

8-10
12-14
17-19
28-30

Also seeing some 14X17's that are plated.

And I've been looking (its a difficult search on Eprey...)

I suspect these sizes are common as these things go as they were provided with Peugeot cars.

Be interesting to fill in the gaps, but looks like it won't be easy.

 

[Land Rover 109]

Thanks for the heads up!



Be interesting to fill in the gaps, but looks like it won't be easy.

I admit, finding replacements is not easy, but you want to try doing so when the entire country you are looking in has less than 5 million people...... not many of which own old oddball French spanners!

I have a replacement 12-14 that has some identification marks ground in the shaft and over the years a couple of other popular sizes like 13-15 have gone walkabouts.
I still keep an eye out, but have never seen any in the more usual places one might find old spanners and wrenches at.

 

[Land Rover 109]

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Nice, Rover. I'm waiting to see Outlaw's collection with two additions I almost reneged on sending him. They are really nice wrenches. Well made, and once you get the hang of it, they grab well.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I picked up this classic auto-kit style wrench set, with holder, at the flea market this morning.

No markings on the wrenches or the simple holder whatsoever, but I couldn't resist. The wrenches are clunky late 30's style with thick shanks and thick parabolic heads with the remains of very common black rust-proofing. Could be contract wrenches made by Vlchek, Williams, Bridgeport, just about anybody. I have never seen a holder like this before, but I love the way the wrenches sit in it. Funny, because I leave generic vintage wrenches like this behind at my flea markets by the dozens every week peak season, but they are orphans, onesy-twosies. Five wrench set, 1/2" to 1", in a holder? No name or not, automatic purchase.

And, as long as I am on the subject, here is an updated group shot from my collection in this category. (Not all DOE's, obviously.) In the back on the left with a black spring clip is Bridgeport, to the right of those in the red holder, Barcalo. The set I just picked up. Vlchek to the left of that. A copper-coated Franklin set in front of that. No name. Hercules pinned together. And Indestro.

 

[Outlawmws]

Nice, Rover. I'm waiting to see Outlaw's collection with two additions I almost reneged on sending him. They are really nice wrenches. Well made, and once you get the hang of it, they grab well.

So here is where I am, so far with Peugeot - I't a bit lopsided, as I only have the one 8-10 from an Eprey buy. The clip is something I just grabbed from the collections of trays and holders. it's not Peugeot, and I'v already outgrown it...

Also an interesting thing on the markings besides the 8-10's not having the recessed panels: All but one of these have an "F" on the "Peugeot Brothers - Made in France" side to the right of the France ONE has a "E". Hmmm, production run? for which Car? Not a clue...

Many thanks to Both Lugz and CatfishDan for the 12-14s and 17-19's they each sent me!

The bottom 2 are from Lugz, and the next two up are from CatfishDan, and the rest are either my "Starter" from a month ago, or Eprey.

My plans are to have one set of pairs (I need more 8-10's for the 10 side) in my main working box and a second set in my "Yard Roll" which will also be a travel roll for the 4X4 van.

So I'm still going to be looking for 8-10's and the "inter" sizes I don't have...

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I found my second Singer Manufacturing Company (tradename "SIMANCO") wrench this morning at the flea market. It is a machine or set screw wrench with reinforced heads. Model number 8910.

Here it is with my other Singer pieces, another SIMANCO wrench (Model number 2946), a tape measure (marked "1851" and "Over a Century of Sewing Service"), and an oil can. This is how I collect! One piece at a time! Working my way up to a complete Singer sewing machine service kit.

 

[d42jeep]

I found a couple of unusual wrenches this morning at a Concord, CA estate sale. The first two pictures are an Armstrong special 721. I guess it’s special because it has the same size on both ends. The other is an early 723 made by Buhl. Like many early wrenches it has the bolt sizes marked rather than the opening sizes.
-Don

 

[Username already in use]

This one looks like Barcalo contract production, but 'ARROW'? Could be Pierce, but I don't think so. This wrench looks too 'modern' to have been in a Pierce-Arrow toolkit.

 

[d42jeep]

This one looks like Barcalo contract production, but 'ARROW'? Could be Pierce, but I don't think so. This wrench looks too 'modern' to have been in a Pierce-Arrow toolkit.

Looks Barcalo to me too. I picked these up recently.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

There was an Arrow Tool Company located in.... wait for it.... Buffalo, NY. So they may have had some of their stuff made for them by Barcalo. I don't know how long they were in business. The Arrow Tool Company 8" adjustable crescent-type wrench I used to own (now traded away) looked much older than your wrench to me, and it had a fancier logo. But still, it's a strong possibility.

 

[d42jeep]

That’s right! I had forgotten that I had these. As I recall, they weren’t particularly well made. The wrench Username posted is very close in appearance to the Barcalos in the last picture.
-Don

 

[Provincial]

I found a couple of DOE's in my collection. I got these about 35 years ago. The large one is a Whitney and Barnes 555, which is marked 5/8 and 7/8. It looks like USS sizes.

The smaller one is a Bonney 407, which is a 13/16 tappet wrench. It has a forged in date code of FQ, which converts to July, 1925, and has the forged-in chrome vanadium and CV markings, along with the Bonney with shield stamped in that match that date.

Williams bought the drop forge and wrench operations of W&B in 1920, so that wrench was made prior to that.

 

[Outlawmws]

I picked up a Duro Chrome DOE today - 3/8-7/16

It has the "Circle X" (stylized DC in a circle) mark and I'm told its a Wartime wrench.

 

[Provincial]

I bought my first S-wrench today. I am having trouble identifying the maker, since the trademark isn't showing up in internet searches.

It has openings of 3/4x13/16. There is a forged-in marking "681" that is raised. The number "681B" is stamped in one face, and the other face has a trademark that has a diamond containing an arrow through two letters that appear to be a D and perhaps a C or E.

Does anyone recognize this trademark?

Thanks,
Jock

 

[MR.X]

Hey Jock, I used to live in Missouri and that's a "Diamond Edge" mark which was a trademark line of tools that Shapleigh Hardware ( St. Louis) sold from way back in the day..well back into the 1800's. Just google Shapleigh Diamond Edge or anything like that to get a more accurate account.

 

[Provincial]

Thanks! I had found that Herbrand made a wrench like this one with the number of 681B, so my guess is that Herbrand made this wrench for Shapleigh/Diamond Edge under contract. Makes it less common and I really appreciate the information!

I decided that the rain and traffic was more than I wanted to deal with at Portland. Not real bad getting home Thursday, but more than this country boy is willing to put up with.

Decent pickings around home this weekend as I posted on the Garage Sale thread. I feel kind of proud that neither you nor Rileysan noticed my SK socket at PIR was a cadmium-plated wartime finish!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I had found that Herbrand made a wrench like this one with the number of 681B, so my guess is that Herbrand made this wrench for Shapleigh/Diamond Edge under contract.

681B is an industry standard number for a light service "S" wrench with 3/4 x 13/16 openings. Others used the same number, starting with Williams. All the "S" wrenches had a standard number (675, 677, 679, etc, and later, in the late 30's and 40's it was 75, 77, 79, etc), with suffixes for milled openings. They made several "681" wrenches, all with the same die, then milled in different openings. A 681 was 11/16 x 27/32, for example. A 681A was 3/4 x 7/8. All of them would've had the "681" on the shank. Not saying it's not a Herbrand. But you might have to look at Williams and others, too.

RagTopTA posted a Norvell-Shapleigh (brief 1900-1917 partnership) "S" wrench with a Diamond-Edge logo on this thread, linked here.

My reply with some additional Shapleigh D-E info is linked here.

 

[MR.X]

Thanks!

I feel kind of proud that neither you nor Rileysan noticed my SK socket at PIR was a cadmium-plated wartime finish!

SK socket!?.. Bro, after 8+ hours of walking that speedway you could have been standing there with a 'Fast Times' era Phoebe Cates and I would have missed it.

 

[Outlawmws]

SK socket!?.. Bro, after 8+ hours of walking that speedway you could have been standing there with a 'Fast Times' era Phoebe Cates and I would have missed it.

Now THAT's tired!

 

[MR.X]

Right?!

 

[Provincial]

Wasn't she the English teacher?

 

[Outlawmws]

No, she was the bikini clad ********* for one of the HS boys, and in HS herself.

I think she was 18 or 19 at the time

 

[Private Lugnutz]

bikini clad

Except for one memorable moment!