Show off your Jack(s)

[oldtools]

Worked on a couple but dont know much about them, Seemed like a solid Hydraulic system not like your typical Oring/backup imported junk.

What type of seal does a high quality hydraulic jack use (as compare to oring for low quality jack)?

 

[Hiball]

What type of seal does a high quality hydraulic jack use (as compare to oring for low quality jack)?

Here is a Prime example of difference between a "Quality" Pump sealing system that will last Years, compared to your run of the mill import "sloppy" Pump sealing systems. On one side you have a U-cup pump cup and on the other your side typical oring+backup, Dont get me wrong a backup is like steroids to a Oring but you still have limited sealing surface. On another note, I have perfect Taiwan typical 2 ton jack and im gonna do a side by side teardown between it and a lincoln 2 ton to show the differences and also help you guys who possibly want to update your taiwan jack to New or better than new condition.

 

[cwstevens92]

Here is what i have hangin around the shop. The last one, well its not really a jack but its one of 6 "crank stands" I built

 

[cwstevens92]

And a couple more

 

[Blacknwhitepit]

Wheels for BlacknWhitepit

I got the Wheels today and put them on.... It rolls great now!!!!

Thanks Hiball

-BWP

 

[Hiball]

Nothing like some new shoes to brighten up the day.

 

[havi]

My old Chinese 3 ton has certainly seen it's better days. A slight bend, broken lifting dowel, missing gear teeth, slow leak, wheel-non-spinning, but still works, I guess. Which leads to being in the market for a new one:

AC DK20HLQ, now there's something I like. Wow, are they spendy though....may have to wait a while, lol.

 

[autoace]

2.5 ton hf long frame, works like a champ. I've had it going on 7 years now, dad had one around 20 years old, was still going when the farm was sold. It comes with seals, so no big deal if it needs rebuilt.

+1, My HF, long, high lift jack is going on a decade. It has out lasted many 'better" jacks, and I have used it hard. I noticed HF does not have then online anymore, anyone know what happened with that? I finally had to use the rebuild kit, a few months ago, the jack owes me nothing. After the rebuild, it works like new again.

 

[oldtools]

How much one would pay for a used (older model) Hein Werner 10 tons long frame floor jack? I am thinking of getting one.

 

[Hiball]

How much one would pay for a used (older model) Hein Werner 10 tons long frame floor jack? I am thinking of getting one.

I have bought/rebuilt many over the years. Yes a replacement Hein werner 10 ton costs well over 2k new, I have bought many at government sales for around 1oo bucks, and have sold many rebuilt ones for $700. Whatever you give for it plan on adding around $100 bucks to get a complete kit depending on the X10 serial number it could be less.

 

[oldtools]

Hiball.....Thanks for your help. Are special tools required to service the X10? I saw several X10 on craiglist, but can't decide to buy it yet.

 

[Hiball]

Hiball.....Thanks for your help. Are special tools required to service the X10? I saw several X10 on craiglist, but can't decide to buy it yet.

Pretty straight forward, Vise, PipeWrench, Hand Impact driver to loosen the Valves, Pick set, Snap ring pliers. The main problem with those jacks is the Center Shaft that goes thru the Unit and Frame, If it hasnt been maintained, Greased they can get bound in there and then the fun starts. Its not exactly easy to get a 400lb jack into your press.

 

[Elroy]

A co-worker inherited this jack from his father. He has asked Elroy to look it over. It functions OK but it bleeds down slowly under heavy load and the release valve is hard to turn.

Going to pull it down and at least put a kit in it if available. That's were Hiball comes in. Steve, please advise on kit availability

 

[Hiball]

Well First off as you probably knew that is Overseas designed jack, In all my years i have never seen a taiwan jack that Milwaukee marketed, Other companies have done it, Lincoln, hein werner but to my knowledge Never milwaukee. Im in KC right now but when i get home ill check my book and cross reference that tag # and see if we can decide if that sticker was applied or original. You wont find a kit for that jack but its nothing a Mic cant take care of, When you tear it down and do a little measuring i can be of more assistance.

 

[Elroy]

Up date and a good lesson for others

So Elroy was asked to look at this jack.

It would work in that it would fully rise but it wouldn't take a load. That's to say, you could pump it up all the way just fine when not under a load. Roll it under a load and as soon at the saddle contacted the load you pump all night, until the cows came home and get nothing.

Elroy initially thought the ram seal was leaking. We were all staged to pull it down this week end. Got the work bench cleaned off and got out the most important tool available. Elroy's brain

What about the over load valve. Sure enough it was backed off. It was also a little low on oil. Bumped the valve full close then backed it off about a half turn. Dumped the reservoir and filled it up with fresh oil. That load is no problem now:

The lesson is: check the basic simple things first.

 

[tonydanzah]

if you are going to get an airbag jack, why not something like this an air x jack

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[mikeweb]

BLUE:
Napa 2ton floor jack
Item#: NLE7916402

Attributes:
Lift Capacity: 2-Tons
Closed Height: 2-3/4"
Raised Height: 19-5/8"
Lift Distance: 18"
Saddle Diameter: 5"
Weight:90 lbs
Product Features: Dual Pump Mechanism Which Reduces Handle Strokes Up to 50 Percent While Not Effecting Handle Effort
Nylon Wheels & Casters to Reduce Damage to Coated or Painted Floors & Reduced Noise During Transport
Dimensions: 31" L x 16" W x 8-1/4" H


BLACK:
Mastercraft 2 1/2 ton floor jack

 

[havi]

Lol, which do ya trust more on their capacity rating?

 

[bry@n]

I have an old jack that needs some attention. I will get pics tomorrow and post. I did look at the Napa jacks and they looked good. I know they are chinese or Taiwanese jacks but is there any other capable jacks in the same price range that are from the USA?

 

[byrd]

cornwell blue monster in this pick of my shop. i have quite a few old jacks at home that i got from my grandfather from his old service station, but i have no pics of them and they need rebuilt.

 

[wreckercologist]

Here's mine. I bought it new in '98 or '99. It's had a pretty good life at home in the garage along with the four jack stands I bought with it. The rusty castors tell the tale, LOL.

 

[bry@n]

I just checked and none of the SO jacks are made in the USA. Wow.....what a shame.

 

[Hiball]

I just checked and none of the SO jacks are made in the USA. Wow.....what a shame.

NOPE. They still charge a arm and a leg though.

 

[wreckercologist]

I just checked and none of the SO jacks are made in the USA. Wow.....what a shame.

NOPE. They still charge a arm and a leg though.

Yeah, it's too bad. Today, if I had to buy another new jack, I'd look at the Hein-Warner's. I think they're still U.S., right?

BTW, I've found this thread to be a uplifting experience!

 

[bry@n]

I have been looking at getting a Hein Werner. I have a cman 3 ton that I don't care for and my neighbor borrows it a lot. So I think I will sell it to him and get a new HW 3 ton.

I will start saving my pennies

 

[wreckercologist]

I have been looking at getting a Hein Werner. I have a cman 3 ton that I don't care for and my neighbor borrows it a lot. So I think I will sell it to him and get a new HW 3 ton.

I will start saving my pennies

I've got a Craftsman too. I didn't bother taking a pic of it. I bet I haven't used it in five years. It still works fine going up, it's the coming down that's scary!

 

[jrsndman]

Here's mine, just got it today from my Great Uncle. He was a mechanic from the 50's into the early 60's before becoming a private jet pilot. I'm betting this jack saw daily use up until he changed careers and occasional use from then till now.

 

[Elroy]

Here's mine,....... I'm betting this jack saw daily use up until he changed careers and occasional use from then till now.

That is a very clean little jack. Seeing that original paint in a treat. Thank you

Your pictures are great. If you would kindly post additional views of the ID tag we would much appreciate it. We need the art work to duplicate. Thanks

 

[jrsndman]

That is a very clean little jack. Seeing that original paint in a treat. Thank you

Your pictures are great. If you would kindly post additional views of the ID tag we would much appreciate it. We need the art work to duplicate. Thanks

You're welcome. Here are some more pics. I'll have to play around with my camera and see if I can get a sharper pic for you.

The O' BOY was getting lonely in its new garage so I found a pair of Hein Werner jack stands on Craigslist. I picked them up this morning.
I have a few questions:

• 
  Is it normal for the handle not to contact the pump until its about half way down (see photos)?

• To check or fill the fluid, tip the jack so the fill plug is facing up, correct?

• Should the fluid be even with the bottom thread of the fill plug hole?

Thanks,

Jim

 

[Elroy]

Jim:
Thank you kindly for the additional photos of the ID tag

May Elroy please offer these comments to your questions about the Hein-Werner O'Boy:

Is it normal for the handle not to contact the pump until its about half way down

Yes. It is normal and you're fully correct. The roller in the handle only contacts the pump plunger when "half way down". You'll also note that Hein Werners are one of the very few jacks that allow tool free removal of the handle assembly from the jack body. A very nice feature in Elroy's book.

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• To check or fill the fluid, tip the jack so the fill plug is facing up, correct?

• 
  
  To add oil to your Hein-Werner it is in deed easier if you stand the jack up on end. With the load saddle down, remove the 1/4"-28 round head machine screw that is located under the corrugated sheet metal hood to expose the fill passage.
  
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  Should the fluid be even with the bottom thread of the fill plug hole?

Short answer; yes.

Actually Elroy has found that the easiest way is to slightly over fill the reservoir while you have the jack in the fill position (nose down). Leave the fill plug removed and set the jack back down in standard position and let the excess run out. Reinstall the plug after the majority of the excess fill oil has run out. These cylinders are fully sealed and use the air space above the oil reservoir as a receiver for the displaced oil from above the piston as the jack is extended. Too much oil and you run into a solid condition before the cylinder is fully extended. Too little oil and you'll **** air and prevent the cylinder from fully extending. They're kind of a ***** to get filled properly because you need just the right amount of oil and the oil is difficult to get into the reservoir because of the long fill passage.

For additional detailed information on the 1-1/4 ton Hein-Werner O'Boy jack series, see this older thread here at the Garage Journal:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36252

 

[havi]

Just thought I'd show off my recent find. A Joyce jack from my grandfather's garage.

 

[CRTDI]

My recently purchased Milwaukee Model 40, haven't even broken it in yet..

My dogs checking out the new delivery.

This jack is pretty rugged, I don't think I'll be wearing it out any time soon.

All settled in with the new 3 ton jack stands from US Jack.

 

[GDA]

^ Top shelf there man... very nice jack and stand set.

 

[Hiball]

Congrats.. Im sure you will get a lifetimes worth of use out of that unit.

 

[Monte]

very nice ! Looks very sturdy !

 

[benjamming]

That is a nice looking jack. BTW, Milwaukee doesn't offer the stands or bottle jacks that are on their website anymore.

 

[bry@n]

Where did you get the Milwaukee from ? Off the website?

Do you mind me asking the price?

I'm looking into a new jack myself and info would be helpful.

 

[CRTDI]

I can't wait to actually use this floor jack. I've got plenty of things that I should be doing with it. It's just been so friggin cold lately that I'm having a hard time getting motivated to work outside.

I looked at an awful lot of lesser quality equipment before I decided on this Milwaukee unit. My last jack was an old Hein Werner unit that gave me faultless service. I'm quite sure that the guy I sold it to many moons ago is still using it.

Through my own research I've found that Hein Werner floors jacks these days are of a totally different design and to me, don't appear to be as durable as my old unit. They are still manufactured here in the U.S. but now owned by a Chinese company.

When I unpackaged the jack I was completely blown away by how rugged and sturdy this thing is. It's not a light weight, I believe 140 lbs but it seems to move around rather smoothly, maybe because of the type of wheels and casters used.

My only beef with this jack is the upper surface finish of the lifting arm casting, if you look close in the pictures you can see some dimples and irregularities in the casting itself. I don't think it affects the integrity of the lifting arm, but for the money you pay a nicer finish on this part should be expected.

byr@n,

I looked around at a few websites and then called Milwaukee Hydraulics direct. They gave the best deal. I was quoted a price for the Model 40 that was very close to what you see a Model 20 advertised for on most websites. I dealt with a very professional and knowledgeable lady named Caroline. Great service from purchase to delivery. Good luck with whatever you choose.

 

[Hiball]

Through my own research I've found that Hein Werner floors jacks these days are of a totally different design and to me, don't appear to be as durable as my old unit. They are still manufactured here in the U.S. but now owned by a Chinese company. .

The currenty Hein werner line is actually the Previous Walker/Lincoln design and when Lincoln sold out to hein werner, Hein werner canned 60 years of there heritage to use the Walker/Lincoln design. Why? Because it was superior, The Current Hein werner lineup still uses the Lincoln model numbers and now put a HW in front (HW93642). Now for a little history on the Walker/Lincoln hydraulic units, they have had only cosmetic changes over the years including Movement of the fill plug and type of tank nut packing, going from packing to a quad ring. Thats it... Those HW jacks still use 60+ years of American ingenuity.

I looked around at a few websites and then called Milwaukee Hydraulics direct. They gave the best deal. I was quoted a price for the Model 40 that was very close to what you see a Model 20 advertised for on most websites. I dealt with a very professional and knowledgeable lady named Caroline. Great service from purchase to delivery. Good luck with whatever you choose.

Caroline is a very informative person and takes pride in explaining why Milwaukee jacks are superior to your everyday run of the mill jacks. I had spoke to her a couple weeks ago regarding some pricing of there jacks along with kit pricing. She informed me that currently there was a 10% discount on there jacks but it was gonna run out later this month and if memory recalls the 4 ton model was roughly $450 + shipping before the discount, The 2 ton model was about a 100 less. I dont have my paper in front of me so dont quote me but if anybody is interested you can call them and they will point you in the right direction. I believe that discount was only good thru them, not there distributors.

 

[bry@n]

Thanks guys. Looks like I will have to call.

Question is HW or MIlwaukee? Does one have a superior design over the other?