bczygan
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Yes 4 ton, I have no real way to pinpoint, if I was guessing I would say 60's as I know it was there early attempt at a long frame jack. It wasn't a huge success, no where near as good as there later Attempts that finalized with a GH model.
Think it's worth rebuilding? The ram leaks some under pressure... Pumps could probably use an overhaul as well. It still lifts and is a brick house of a jack. Wondering if I can get parts and how much they would cost. Send me a PM please if you have something.
Hard Parts will be damn near impossible to find, more than likely will need to be made, Seal kits are about $100 via HPS in my Signature, might be cheaper avenues though. It might worth a try to just try tightening the packing on the leaking ram to see if it subsides the leak.
paulsomlo
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I'm curious - where was that Beta jack made and where are you located?
econotrk
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I've been spending most of my GJ time over on the vise thread, but my latest acquisition led me here. The other day I noticed a pair of jack stands on C-list that looked like new, a nice pair of Walker 5 ton stands for $25. Didn't get them wiped down for the pic, still a little dusty. They make my Walker 2 ton stands look like toys, and in need of a good cleaning.
My wife made the pickup for me as I had to leave town for a couple days. She calls while at the PO's house to tell me what a great ole guy he is, aaand he wants to know if I'd be interested in a floor jack. He figures he bought it new around 40 years ago. I wasn't really in the market but the guy drags it out from under his workbench and my wife sends me a couple pics. She tells me he's looking to get $200, and proceeds to talks him down to $150, SOLD! I feel like I stepped back in time to get this, just a few scratches, still has the warning sticker, the badge is perfect, it even has signs of paint left on the tread. Gave it a quick scrub down, greased and oiled, checked the hydraulic oil, and it's ready for work. Here's a couple of pics, as found and after cleaning.
After reading this thread from the beginning, I got the bug and dug out a jack I snagged almost 30 years ago, pre internet days. Never knew who made it, but it sure looks like a dead ringer for the Milwaukee Hydraulic CRTDI shows on page 4.
I have a 1 1/2 ton Dayton I bought new in the 70's, I'll have to get some pics of that one posted. It's been my workhorse and the reason I considered passing on this Hein Werner. Now that I have the new one I can take the time and give the Dayton a going over.
My wife made the pickup for me as I had to leave town for a couple days. She calls while at the PO's house to tell me what a great ole guy he is, aaand he wants to know if I'd be interested in a floor jack. He figures he bought it new around 40 years ago. I wasn't really in the market but the guy drags it out from under his workbench and my wife sends me a couple pics. She tells me he's looking to get $200, and proceeds to talks him down to $150, SOLD! I feel like I stepped back in time to get this, just a few scratches, still has the warning sticker, the badge is perfect, it even has signs of paint left on the tread. Gave it a quick scrub down, greased and oiled, checked the hydraulic oil, and it's ready for work. Here's a couple of pics, as found and after cleaning.
After reading this thread from the beginning, I got the bug and dug out a jack I snagged almost 30 years ago, pre internet days. Never knew who made it, but it sure looks like a dead ringer for the Milwaukee Hydraulic CRTDI shows on page 4.
I have a 1 1/2 ton Dayton I bought new in the 70's, I'll have to get some pics of that one posted. It's been my workhorse and the reason I considered passing on this Hein Werner. Now that I have the new one I can take the time and give the Dayton a going over.
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econotrk
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Here's a couple pics of my 1 1/2 ton Dayton. Was this manufactured for Dayton or is it their own design? Probably 25 years or so ago I tried to lift something up too heavy for it. The jack doesn't leak, but ever since it has slowly drifted down anything lifted. Are parts still available for this style jack, and if so can I order ahead of time or is it better to disassemble and examine first?
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econotrk
Those jack stands are nice, I like the flatter tops vs the now common deep V top surfaces.
That hein wener WS looks very nice.
The last photo sure does look like a milwaukee jack. Send them a picture and they should be able to give you some info on it. Looks like a very early model 20 to me.
Those jack stands are nice, I like the flatter tops vs the now common deep V top surfaces.
That hein wener WS looks very nice.
The last photo sure does look like a milwaukee jack. Send them a picture and they should be able to give you some info on it. Looks like a very early model 20 to me.
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econotrk
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Thanks Zkling, real happy with the Hein Werner. The gentleman found and sent me the original manual for it with a date of 1971, any idea when the WS was discontinued? Also any idea when this design started?
I agree about the jack stands, I never felt comfortable with the deep V unless it's under a rearend.
I agree about the jack stands, I never felt comfortable with the deep V unless it's under a rearend.
Chilliwack Murray
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My wife picked this up in the thrift store for me recently:
Sorry I do not know the timeline of the Hein Werner products. Member Hiball most likely does though. Will you please scan or take pictures of that WS manual? I for one would really like to see it as I have a WS and the smaller O' boy.
econotrk
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Not a problem zkling, here's a link to what the manual looks like minus one page that tells about operation. I'll figure out how to either scan or take a pic of the missing page.
https://www.ohiohydraulic.com/hein-werner/WS.pdf
Dusten
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The back two are cheap harbor freight jacks. The front is an old walker my dad gave me.
econotrk
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These aren't great zkling, but I couldn't get the scanner to work for me. Tried one with flash and one without.
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Hiball,
Got a question for you, if you please. The HW is now broken down and this is what I found holding the seal on the ram.. Someone was obviously trying to pry the spring ring off with a flat blade using the piston lip as a pivot point. Now turning a new retainer will not be a problem, my question has to do with the cross drilled hole that goes from the pressure side all the way through to where the inside of the seal lip contacts the piston. What's the purpose of this hole and should I duplicate it on a new part? As usual, many thanks.
Got a question for you, if you please. The HW is now broken down and this is what I found holding the seal on the ram.. Someone was obviously trying to pry the spring ring off with a flat blade using the piston lip as a pivot point. Now turning a new retainer will not be a problem, my question has to do with the cross drilled hole that goes from the pressure side all the way through to where the inside of the seal lip contacts the piston. What's the purpose of this hole and should I duplicate it on a new part? As usual, many thanks.
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dchasins
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Here's what came home with me today. The two jacks were an auction lot, which cost me the grand total of $27.40, plus a few gallons of diesel to go get them. The little one is (I think) an import, which may just need fluid, and possibly seals. Or maybe it's just a giveaway. But the big one, which I am stoked about, is a Weaver WA73 4 ton model. It'a monster, even bigger in person than I expected. It's going to need a complete overhaul...but it's going to be a little while before I get to it. First look suggests it's all there, but appears to have been stored in a damp barn or shed. Fortunately, there's enough oil and grease on the cylinder and pump parts that most of the rust is limited to the frame, handle and mechanical parts.
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This jack will definitely be put to work. Don't know if I'll go quite as "all out" as I did with the Walker jack (see thread in my signature below), but I guess I'll see what I get into once I get started.
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[/URL]This jack will definitely be put to work. Don't know if I'll go quite as "all out" as I did with the Walker jack (see thread in my signature below), but I guess I'll see what I get into once I get started.
econotrk
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Zkling, I did get in contact with Milwaukee Hydraulics. Caroline told me they had no way of dating it without the serial# tag. Sadly mine is missing, wish there were some other data points such as changes made over the years to give me an age estimate. If you know of any let me know.
dave89iroc
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whats the value of a Hein Werner OS/Oboy floor jack in rebuildable condition, I just saw 3 at a sale out at a farm
Obviously Condition is Everything, Wheels, Casters, Plating etc.. A safe number for AS-IS Resale is $25 bucks each knowing that without tearing them down you dont know about internal condition, Not much of a Market for 1 1/4 Ton Jacks in todays world, everyone thinks they need at least 3 ton to change a tire on a Prius. If you Personally have a Need for them, Maybe $50 with the Hopes of getting at least 2 of them going after some seal kits. As with all the Vintage HW stuff, Hard parts are few and far between and Pricey in NOS form, If you have Machining capabilities.. Different story.
topop101
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Here's a few jacks I have or have had. The long tailed jack is a Huber tractor jack.
The tall skinny one I added a Ford wrench to it because it fit nicely and the offset in the wrench makes it easy to use since it takes 3 turns of the wrench to raise it one full thread. And 28 " inches is a lot of turns.
The others are model A or T jacks. The one with the original handle/ tire tool I sold to a guy with a model A he was restoring.
The tall skinny one I added a Ford wrench to it because it fit nicely and the offset in the wrench makes it easy to use since it takes 3 turns of the wrench to raise it one full thread. And 28 " inches is a lot of turns.
The others are model A or T jacks. The one with the original handle/ tire tool I sold to a guy with a model A he was restoring.
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HCRCnow
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No they are not under rated. There is a valve in the jack that adjusts the weight limit. This jack comes adjusted to hold 1-1/2 ton and bypass when the weight is over that.
This is a link to the exploded view drawing.
http://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/walker_93630a.pdf
Vinnie11
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Hi Everyone,
Longtime lurker, first time poster.
I am trying to ID this Blackhawk jack. It works, but leaks. I have searched this site and others, but am not able to find one exactly like it.
It appears to be "newer" than a lot of the Blackhawk pics I have seen. I can't find a data plate on it, but I think I found a "72" cast into in somewhere, not sure if that could mean 1972?
Any info on model, parts availability year of manufacture would be greatly appreciated.
-Vinnie11
Longtime lurker, first time poster.
I am trying to ID this Blackhawk jack. It works, but leaks. I have searched this site and others, but am not able to find one exactly like it.
It appears to be "newer" than a lot of the Blackhawk pics I have seen. I can't find a data plate on it, but I think I found a "72" cast into in somewhere, not sure if that could mean 1972?
Any info on model, parts availability year of manufacture would be greatly appreciated.
-Vinnie11
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I believe it's a blackhawk sj3, also carried a 6xxxx number later in life. In regards to parts, seal kits are available via numerous suppliers, but verify internal condition prior to buying a kit. I don't know of anyway to individually date them, but Its not terribly old, I believe they made them all the way up into the mid to late 80's.
I just cleaned up a rusty Walker 120 Vertilift Series B scissor/screw jack exactly like this. I found it in the tool box of a '59 Dodge D200. Seems light duty, for changing a tire, with the pad placed under the axle housing just inside the wheel... Of course, the capacity info is scraped off, but I'm guessing one ton, max. I'd never get under a vehicle using this!
I just cleaned up a rusty Walker 120 Vertilift Series B scissor/screw jack. Sheet metal frame, narrow base, unstable. I found it in the tool box of a '59 Dodge D200. Seems light duty, for changing a tire, with the pad placed under the axle housing just inside the wheel... Of course, the capacity info is scraped off, but I'm guessing one ton, max. I'd never get under a vehicle using this!
This is my first post here, and I may have done something wrong... can't link it to the OP/pictures...
Picked up this Blackhawk S4 from CL yesterday. 180 lbs of vintage American jack.
It has several coats of paint but appears in decent shape and complete other than the light switch and light wiring. Does not seem to operate in the 'high speed' mode. Will be giving it a refurb - I'm glad to see there are several S4 restore threads here on GJ.
It has several coats of paint but appears in decent shape and complete other than the light switch and light wiring. Does not seem to operate in the 'high speed' mode. Will be giving it a refurb - I'm glad to see there are several S4 restore threads here on GJ.
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econotrk
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Nice find, those Blackhawk jacks sure have a cool look.
Rileysan
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I couldn't find any information on this jack on GJ, but did find mention of it on another forum. Picked this up at the Salem, Or Habitat Restore yesterday for $3. It is a functional Walker 8ton hydraulic jack (sans handle). The thread I read was a bit cryptic, but someone mentioned this may have been sold with Diamond T trucks, but I can't verify that. Can anyone offer up any more insight?
Brian
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dchasins
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A few months ago I posted a picture a couple of jacks I got at an auction for $24. I was excited to win the bid because one of the two jacks was a Weaver WA 73A, made in 1955. The other I think is an import, and I haven't even really looked at it yet. The Weaver was in pretty rough condition. I think it must have been stored in a wet shed. Lots of work to get everything de-rusted and freed up so I could even work on it. I am pretty happy with the result. It will be a working jack, so I am not too worried about the fact that it isn't perfect or totally original. The frames and mechanical pieces are all solid, but are somewhat rough and pitted from the effects of rust; and there are the inevitable nicks and gouges from years of use--I left all that as it was. The paint is not the original Weaver green, which is a little lighter in color. I used Rustoleum. The only piece missing from the jack was the manufacturer plate which would have been attached to the front of the cylinder cover. So, for fun, I just painted my own logo and description. I also added the outline detail to the attractive stamped shape on the side frames.
Most of the needed parts were available from Castle Equipment, the company that now manufactures Weaver Jacks. They still make jacks that are quite similar to their original designs. I really like the styling and low-slung appearance of the Weaver. It is built big and tough. In the rebuild, I found pitting in the main cylinder, but fortunately with repeated honing, I got it smooth enough that it works fine with new seals, and doesn't leak down under load. Looking forward to having this as one of my regular working jacks for use on larger vehicles or anywhere I need a long reach.
Here are a couple of pictures, including one of the "before" condition of the jack.
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Most of the needed parts were available from Castle Equipment, the company that now manufactures Weaver Jacks. They still make jacks that are quite similar to their original designs. I really like the styling and low-slung appearance of the Weaver. It is built big and tough. In the rebuild, I found pitting in the main cylinder, but fortunately with repeated honing, I got it smooth enough that it works fine with new seals, and doesn't leak down under load. Looking forward to having this as one of my regular working jacks for use on larger vehicles or anywhere I need a long reach.
Here are a couple of pictures, including one of the "before" condition of the jack.
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econotrk
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I like it! The lettering and striping really suit it well.
