Show Us Your Drill Presses :Mr.T:
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anyone have a craftsman 150 they want to sell me?
blazemaster83
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I typed up a nice story on my drill for another site, and didn't feel like doing it again so I just cut and paste...here it is.
24" Prentice Bros. Sliding Head Drill
I finally got this thing finished up tonight, and drilling holes. It has been a long battle, and this is the second large drill I have restored(also did a 20" Silver Manufacturing Co.). Next is a 18" Canedy Otto Bench model.
I picked this drill up after restoring the 20" silver, and quickly deciding I wanted something larger. So I sold the 20", and went after this. It was almost 3 hours away 1 way, and I had to hire a friend with trailer to help pick it up. The place that I picked the drill up from, was an old ********* factory in South Bend, Washington. I was thinking the drill was used to fix boats as it was in a large barn, literally halfway hanging into the water. The old man that owned the place had a bunch of line-converted tools, but he used them all except the drill. I loaded and unloaded this beast by myself, no tools, no help, and it was safe! Just don't ask how...
I should have known better when the old man told me the drill worked before it was shut down, and none of the pieces were broken or missing. There were a few small broken things like bolts and a gear with a chipped tooth. Nothing too big from what I saw. The table on the other hand was a warzone. Somebody had drilled out the t-slots, so it makes mounting anything kinda tricky. I have a spare 23" lathe faceplate that I have been thinking about adapting to it, but that is for another thread. In the meantime, all the vises I have will mount in the abused t-slots. Once I got it home and apart, there was a bronze bearing that was broken up and needed replacing. The drill was in really good shape rustwise, almost none. I was surprised since it was right on the seawater working on boats, but it was so caked in grease/chips that it was preserved. It also came with a 5 gallon bucket full of large bits, those on the other hand were very rusted and pitted.
I stripped the machine and repainted everything, it looked like nobody had done it since new. I wanted a custom color, so I mixed black and white until it seemed good. I was going for a dark grey but it has some blue to it, I like it. Everything looked to be in good shape given it's age, and actually had less use than the 20" Silver(thank god). I was in the process of fixing my lathe, so I couldn't make the bronze bushing, plus I didn't have the bronze stock anyways. Fast forward about six months (thats why the drill is dirty and dusty) and finally got the bushing made and machine in 1 piece.
The drill weighs 2300lbs, a lot more than the 750 or so for the 20". It has a #4 mt spindle, backgear and powerfeed(still need a belt for that). It has a 22" table. I put the jacobs 20n on it, and it looks right. I also picked up a monster sized 14 inch jaw shaper vise for it, that looks right as well. The motor is a US Motors 3 phase 3hp, probably from around the 40's-50's. One notable thing about this drill, is the age. It has 2 patent dates stamped into it. One for may 12, 1874 on the spindle, and one for dec. 31, 1889 on the backgear casting(i took this while painting). Also, every single casting on the machine is stamped with the number 1, and I mean everything except the bolts(shafts, gears, etc.). Could it be serial number 1? lol maybe in my dreams. Anyways, the drill works great tonight I tested it on some half inch aluminum plate, 1 inch bit. I was astonished how quickly it ate through the plate, and with such little effort. It was like drilling a 1/4" hole on my small drill. Thanks for looking...
24" Prentice Bros. Sliding Head Drill
I finally got this thing finished up tonight, and drilling holes. It has been a long battle, and this is the second large drill I have restored(also did a 20" Silver Manufacturing Co.). Next is a 18" Canedy Otto Bench model.
I picked this drill up after restoring the 20" silver, and quickly deciding I wanted something larger. So I sold the 20", and went after this. It was almost 3 hours away 1 way, and I had to hire a friend with trailer to help pick it up. The place that I picked the drill up from, was an old ********* factory in South Bend, Washington. I was thinking the drill was used to fix boats as it was in a large barn, literally halfway hanging into the water. The old man that owned the place had a bunch of line-converted tools, but he used them all except the drill. I loaded and unloaded this beast by myself, no tools, no help, and it was safe! Just don't ask how...
I should have known better when the old man told me the drill worked before it was shut down, and none of the pieces were broken or missing. There were a few small broken things like bolts and a gear with a chipped tooth. Nothing too big from what I saw. The table on the other hand was a warzone. Somebody had drilled out the t-slots, so it makes mounting anything kinda tricky. I have a spare 23" lathe faceplate that I have been thinking about adapting to it, but that is for another thread. In the meantime, all the vises I have will mount in the abused t-slots. Once I got it home and apart, there was a bronze bearing that was broken up and needed replacing. The drill was in really good shape rustwise, almost none. I was surprised since it was right on the seawater working on boats, but it was so caked in grease/chips that it was preserved. It also came with a 5 gallon bucket full of large bits, those on the other hand were very rusted and pitted.
I stripped the machine and repainted everything, it looked like nobody had done it since new. I wanted a custom color, so I mixed black and white until it seemed good. I was going for a dark grey but it has some blue to it, I like it. Everything looked to be in good shape given it's age, and actually had less use than the 20" Silver(thank god). I was in the process of fixing my lathe, so I couldn't make the bronze bushing, plus I didn't have the bronze stock anyways. Fast forward about six months (thats why the drill is dirty and dusty) and finally got the bushing made and machine in 1 piece.
The drill weighs 2300lbs, a lot more than the 750 or so for the 20". It has a #4 mt spindle, backgear and powerfeed(still need a belt for that). It has a 22" table. I put the jacobs 20n on it, and it looks right. I also picked up a monster sized 14 inch jaw shaper vise for it, that looks right as well. The motor is a US Motors 3 phase 3hp, probably from around the 40's-50's. One notable thing about this drill, is the age. It has 2 patent dates stamped into it. One for may 12, 1874 on the spindle, and one for dec. 31, 1889 on the backgear casting(i took this while painting). Also, every single casting on the machine is stamped with the number 1, and I mean everything except the bolts(shafts, gears, etc.). Could it be serial number 1? lol maybe in my dreams. Anyways, the drill works great tonight I tested it on some half inch aluminum plate, 1 inch bit. I was astonished how quickly it ate through the plate, and with such little effort. It was like drilling a 1/4" hole on my small drill. Thanks for looking...
Very nicely restored drill, Blazemaster.
The #1 on every component is very suspicious. I'm surprised that none of the patent dates were lettered into the castings. Instead, they were all stamped later. That is very odd, at least in my mind. It takes much more effort to machine a location on the casting and then stamp it than simply casting in that information.
I think it would be worth some research to figure out if you do indeed have machine #1. The folks at the American Precision Museum in Windsor, VT may be able to help you.
The #1 on every component is very suspicious. I'm surprised that none of the patent dates were lettered into the castings. Instead, they were all stamped later. That is very odd, at least in my mind. It takes much more effort to machine a location on the casting and then stamp it than simply casting in that information.
I think it would be worth some research to figure out if you do indeed have machine #1. The folks at the American Precision Museum in Windsor, VT may be able to help you.
Here are two I just picked up. The smaller one is a Cincinnati Royal from what I can tell. Both have been repainted and the tags are covered. Both work although I can't hook up the bigger one at all since it's 220V. I am going to sell the big one if anyone is interested. My neighbor has a collet for the big press.
I had been looking for an old floor model drill press for some time and found these at an auction.
I had been looking for an old floor model drill press for some time and found these at an auction.
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blazemaster83
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gts340-The first drill you pictured is a floor model of a canedy otto "royal 18". I have the same drill ready to be restored, but a bench model, that's the only way I know. If you have anyway of hooking up 220v, you might consider keeping it, it would be a pretty nice drill once cleaned up. They are kinda unique in that the head swivels, as well as the table.
AP mech, thanks for the comment. I am a big fan of your resto's, pretty much the reason I started getting into this...
AP mech, thanks for the comment. I am a big fan of your resto's, pretty much the reason I started getting into this...
amolaver, I am in Kingston, Il.
Blazemaster83, thanks for the info. I am tight on space and I think the smaller model is all I will need. If I can't sell it I won't be heart broken if it stays. I believe these machines came out of a factory in the Rockford, IL area. Most recently though they belonged to an older guy who used them at home. I also acquired an old Montgomery Ward wide mouth jigsaw and a Keller metal saw.
Blazemaster83, thanks for the info. I am tight on space and I think the smaller model is all I will need. If I can't sell it I won't be heart broken if it stays. I believe these machines came out of a factory in the Rockford, IL area. Most recently though they belonged to an older guy who used them at home. I also acquired an old Montgomery Ward wide mouth jigsaw and a Keller metal saw.
GarageEnvy
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A long ways from Minnesota and not exactly what you're looking for but this showed up in my local craigslist yesterday.
http://fresno.craigslist.org/tls/2667499659.html
$20 seems like a pretty safe bet. I'm happy to pick up and help w/shipping if you're serious about it. Shipping would probably be a deal killer though.
From my past experience the older models worked just fine with a belt, unless it was old and stretched. I haven't even used one as old as the ones I have pictured though. The ones I used were old Craftsman drills in an RV shop I used to work in. THey would rip your arm off if you weren't careful.
blazemaster83
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Yes the big belt drive drills are pretty dangerous. If something gets caught in the gearing or belt, it will be a goner. simple fix is just keep away from that stuff when it's running, when I use my drill I find there is no reason to be on that side of the machine anyways. If I need to get something behind the drill or move around it, I shut it off. Also make sure you unplug it before you change belt speeds, you don't want to bump it and take your fingers off!
BTW I have had the belt slip a few times, but I can drill a 1.5" hole without it slipping. It helps to dress the belt, and also depends what your belt is made out of. The belt on my machine is about 40 years old if I had to guess, made out of 1/4" thick canvas, but it had some sticky rubber dressing on it, and seems to work great so I didn't touch it.
BTW I have had the belt slip a few times, but I can drill a 1.5" hole without it slipping. It helps to dress the belt, and also depends what your belt is made out of. The belt on my machine is about 40 years old if I had to guess, made out of 1/4" thick canvas, but it had some sticky rubber dressing on it, and seems to work great so I didn't touch it.
ironheadtom
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Got this one off CList and restored it last year. With paint , new bearings and a cord I only have a little over 80 bucks in it and it works great. I'm looking forward to finding an old floor model and doing it next. That Prentice is a beauty.
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after seeing a few looking so good in this thread i might clean these up some day..
i never even used the delta , it was given to me when a widows children decided they didnt want it ..
the 150 i use as a work horse , if i have to drill big holes through 3 or 4 inch thick steel i set it out in the driveway and put the garden hose on the bit and then i sit on the lever ..lol
i never even used the delta , it was given to me when a widows children decided they didnt want it ..
the 150 i use as a work horse , if i have to drill big holes through 3 or 4 inch thick steel i set it out in the driveway and put the garden hose on the bit and then i sit on the lever ..lol
magnusk750
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Blazemaster83: That's a beauty! My cousin have a very similar in his farm shop, it's been there since the 1950s when our grandad bought it used. It's in good condition but he want's a more up to date dp and have promised me I can have it for scrap price when he scores a newer one. I must build myself a shop til then... I've got about 24 h drive to the farm but it will be worth it.
emeraldcoupe
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my "new" atlas number 63. paid $80 for it , and it runs as good as it looks 
