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lund

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Although that may be true, for most of what I'm doing, I am very unlikely to buy a set of specialized drill bits just for that task, especially in wood

Wood is usually easy to get centered and simple split points might be enough. The tip would last long in wood at least. I can see where it might help a little in drilling larger wood holes with hand-held drills. With those I usually want hex shanks though.

By the way, when I have any issues with centering I usually want a progression on hole sizes. Also, a simple countersink bit can help if one does not get overly aggressive and make the hold too large. I usually have these in hex for quickly loading in handheld drills (using batter impact for) and I use them as needed. That can be quick, cheap, and robust. I do a lot of drilling this way with battery impact (which have higher rpm for small bits and usually will not trigger hammering).

But cases and context ... if these work well for you, then why not.
 
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Serendipity I believe is the word. Just last night, I ordered a plastic welder and hot staple welder for a bumper repair for my daughters car. It arrived today. While at work, I get a call that my other daughter was in a minor wreck. I get home and the headlight is hanging out and the hood is rolled up, but most other parts are fine.

I straightened the hood as best as I could, and then had to fix the broken headlight. I hadn't even made it in the door yet, and completely forgot about the plastic welder. Anyway, after fussing with it for a while I remembered what I ordered, and lo and behold, the exact tool I needed. I had to use a piece of plastic from something else to make a mounting point and after some hot staples and some plastic filler on top, its good as used.

Its not perfect, but will last until I can get to the u-pull-and-pay, which I was actually supposed to go to yesterday. Glad I waited.

Anyway, this cordless Astro Pneumatic hot stapler and this plastic welder both worked great.
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Frankly, I cannot imagine a professional machinist or metalworker who buys his SMALL drills in multiples to fall for those.

you can use them without center punching.

This is not cheap, but if the bit saves time, either in hole drilling speed, or in setup time replacing bits and reseting for depth, it might save money in shops, and would almost certainly save money in the field if it makes drilling holes quicker and easier, and more accurate.

My $.02, I retired little more than 10 years ago, so my data is antiquated. Started machining in 72, in every shop I worked no machinist was expected to hand sharpen drills. Too expensive and counter productive to making money.

Little things that were consumable along the way, drill bits, taps, countersinks, inserts, allowing combining operations and such were tested frequently and then added to the manufacturing mix. Professionally ground bits that drilled, tapped, countersunk etc, combining operations, were always made for anything that required them.

Standing at a milling machine removing center drills and inserting drills does not make money, in a production environment.
 

lund

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My $.02, I retired little more than 10 years ago, so my data is antiquated. Started machining in 72, in every shop I worked no machinist was expected to hand sharpen drills. Too expensive and counter productive to making money.

Little things that were consumable along the way, drill bits, taps, countersinks, inserts, allowing combining operations and such were tested frequently and then added to the manufacturing mix. Professionally ground bits that drilled, tapped, countersunk etc, combining operations, were always made for anything that required them.

Standing at a milling machine removing center drills and inserting drills does not make money, in a production environment.

In a pro shop, I thought all would be CNC for many years now. I do not think there is much chucking up of bits etc outside of initial setup of tools in collets for the CNC to load. They definitely would not want to pay a machinist in a production environment to do a lot of machining by hand. It would be far too expensive (via hourly worker wages) and also error prone.

I do "old school" work at home since I do not have a CNC and most of what I do is simple, one-off stuff fixing broken stuff or making something simple. So I do a lot of drill and cutting tool setup by hand in drill presses and non-CNC lathes and small mills. Or I also work with hand-held tools (drills, grinders, etc) depending on what I am doing.

I agree that sharpening *small* drills makes little sense. It is very hard when drills are small (+ the drills lose temper to some degree when they heat in use) and small drills are relatively cheap. But larger drills get expensive quickly and are mostly easier to sharpen. So it makes good sense to resharpen larger bits. Where the boundary is between sharpen and recycle depends a lot on the drill and what one is doing. I am a cheapskate and hate recycle binning stuff, so I tend to resharpen till they are pretty small ... maybe down to 1/8" diameter. Smaller than that does not tend to work well for me and is not worth trying to save a small amount of money.
 
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Nobody-named-Olli

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Yes, not uncommon here.

- Easier to ship
- Customer can choose handle (T, regular, bend, length, material)
- Customer can choose blade (shape, size, material (where applicable))

While those I bought are not made by Ideal, this gives you an idea of the available range:


And handles/shafts:


Kind regards,
Olli
 
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Etchase

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Napa has this Gearwrench, Taiwan made, 1/4 inch square drive interchangeable shaft set for $36. Includes the ratcheting t-handle. It also has a unique to me, internally rotating flex shaft. This set seems to be discontinued and I don’t know when they were manufactured.

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I probably didn’t need this. I had a KD set off the Matco truck, copywright 2003, by Danaher, made in Taiwan. Then when SATA branded stuff was deeply discounted in the US, I picked up a t-handle, and then Crescent had a sale last December on a set. I don’t see any differences in quality over the years, and didn’t realize Danaher had outsourced to Taiwan in 2003 until I had read the box. The Crescent set is finished in China, and might still be manufactured. Sometime along the way I discovered my Williams driver would accept square drive shafts, if you removed the original shaft. The original shaft doesn’t have a ball detent so won’t be retained once removed. The SATA extensions are a half inch shorter than the others. Both the KD and Crescent cases have removable trays for drawer use.

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Bought this 18ga brad gun last week on FBM. Used it to rehang paneling and put trim back up after the fire department took it down.

It’s very nice, works well, but I really don’t use enough 18ga brads to justify owning a $200 nailer. I have a Bostich air nailer for the few tImes I need to use brads.

So it’ll be going back on FBM.
 

jsteih

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Yes, not uncommon here.

- Easier to ship
- Customer can choose handle (T, regular, bend, length, material)
- Customer can choose blade (shape, size, material (where applicable))

While those I bought are not made by Ideal, this gives you an idea of the available range:


And handles/shafts:


Kind regards,
Olli
Well, that just took me down a random rabbit hole.
 

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Halder Simplex soft-face (TPE-soft / TPE-mid) mallet, aluminium 3113.040
Soft and lightweight for delicate bumping. Total weight 345g (12oz). I'd say it's a good first one to get from this range, for versatility, and being different enough from other hammers one might own. Huge range of sizes, weights, and faces available - weight and face size can be varied independently through different head materials. These faces are the two softest, and this aluminium head is the lightest type.
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Pferd 43316021 bevel brush crimped steel 115mm (4.5")
Pferd 43468902 cup brush crimped steel 60mm (2 3/8")
Pferd 43305001 cup brush knotted steel 65mm (2 1/2")
Adding crimped ones, and a slightly smaller knotted cup than what I previously had for the small grinder.
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Pferd 43740169 round brush for drill, fine (180 grit)
Pferd 43740168 round brush for drill, coarse (80 grit)
Pferd 43740166 cup brush for drill, fine (180 grit)
Pferd 43740165 cup brush for drill, coarse (80 grit)
Some lighter options I thought would be good to have at hand for light cleaning/preparation or softer materials. Might have been good to have a hex shank to allow the use of extensions for access.
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Stahlwille "Motor 10" double open ended wrench 22x24mm
To keep with the grinder for M14 thread accessories, some of which have an oversize nut. I don't see myself having use for more sizes of DOE wrenches, so I just got the one.
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Looking to buy the Pferd 43740168. Where did you purchase yours? As a side note, I've used the Performax brand from Menards. The tool works pretty good. I would imagine that Pferd would be a step up in quality and, or course, price.

 

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Pferd 43740168. Where did you purchase yours?
I'm not in the US, so won't be of help I'm afraid. It isn't listed on their US website but the spec can be found here.

would imagine that Pferd would be a step up in quality and, or course, price
That Performax wheel is $8 with taxes retail, I paid the equivalent same for the Pferd.

Looking closely, I think they're the exact same wheel. Same center profile, same text. No "Pferd" name on mine or COO, and retailer website says China. Came in a Pferd box.
 

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Well, I did it again... Today the Snap-On truck came to the shop. I'm usually pretty good about no impulse buys and shopping around for the best deal, but occasionally something gets me... A number of weeks ago I got the 1776 handle long flex 80. I've had double carpal tunnel surgery, and I'm not 35 yet. I've found that some days it's very painful to use my palms, or put extreme pressure on wrenches or ratchets and wanted a ratchet with a. Good grip... I was sold on the handle after a week! I traded in an old 36 tooth snap-on speeder handle ratchet that I've never used, and got the short handle flex head 1776 handle 80 tooth. I couldn't resist when I opened the drawer and he had one left with the matching handle.

Anyways, enough talk... Here's a picture, and a also picture of my 3/8 drawer at work.

As a bonus I got to bring my trusty flf80 back home. 😉
 

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david3921

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I'm not in the US, so won't be of help I'm afraid. It isn't listed on their US website but the spec can be found here.


That Performax wheel is $8 with taxes retail, I paid the equivalent same for the Pferd.

Looking closely, I think they're the exact same wheel. Same center profile, same text. No "Pferd" name on mine or COO, and retailer website says China. Came in a Pferd box.
I was using one of the wheels tonight and also noticed they look quite a bit alike. I'll check the packaging next time I'm at Menards for country of origin. I'm always amazed when using these how something made of plastic is so affective at paint removal.
 
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bugnut

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Took advantage of HD's Ryobi sale and picked up a couple tools for the home and shop. Now to see if they really do ****!
 

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2001ZR2

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Gave in and upgraded my 1/2" impact sockets as the faithful Pittsburgh deep sets had some skips. The really annoying ones were 16mm and 18mm as I have GM vehicles. Also upgraded from Cr-V to Cr-Mo material.

Bought the Quinn master set on the deal of the day for 44% off.


The set never made it into garage before being used.
 
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