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Nobody-named-Olli

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I cant stand this thing,way too bulky. I'm used to my old one. It was wurth as well but blue bosch rebrand for wurth. $450
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What’s your take on the noise it makes? I’m running one manufactured in 2023, mostly on site, and the noise is really something to get used to - if I had to use that in an otherwise “quiet” assembly/shop environment, I’d probably use hearing protection. That high-pitched whine really is something. At least for my ears and I know that’s highly subjective.

I guess your’s is a ‘25 or ‘26? Does it make such a high-pitched whine?

Seems a lot of the younger/ more current generation brushless do that.

My older Festool EC-Tec not at all.

Kind regards,
Olli
 
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Here’s my $100 bottle opener. IMG_2615.jpegI wanted this bottle opener for my collection but had no need for the pliers that were part of the set. I would never carry a 10” set of diagonals in my bag versus my normal 8” sets and have no need to the 10” twin grips but Knipex’s marketing got me.
I thought the same thing about the 10" dikes when I brought them home from a yard sale--for $2, can't go wrong. I use them around the shop all the time now. Old Channel Locks get relegated to a drawer.
 

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Agree. I have probably the same assortment from ~4 years ago and the beam finishing is less than impressive on mine. Looks like X seconds on a belt sander per side and move on. Perfectly functional, but not for the tool polishers here; my Stahwille wrenches are a step above, and they're a step below everything else i have as far as cosmetics.


There are so many who are obsessed with “German made” tools.

I totally agree, the finishing on a lot of them leaves much to be desired.

I have always liked the Gedore “satin” finish and find it attractive. Many do not care for it.

The Germans make technically competent product but rarely is it the most beautiful or best finished. I will give the award to the Japanese for that. My .02 pence.
 

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Where do I get one?
Grocery store? They sell sets for opening jars. Any hardware store. Not a rare tool.

Just don't expect to be able to torque the hell out of something with one. If you have the clearance, they'll usually work for an oil filter. I regularly use mine to remove the valves from Coleman lantern founts. Clamp the valve in a soft-jaw vise and use the strap wrench to break the fount loose. Worked every time I've tried it, and doesn't mar paint or plating.
 
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What’s your take on the noise it makes? I’m running one manufactured in 2023, mostly on site, and the noise is really something to get used to - if I had to use that in an otherwise “quiet” assembly/shop environment, I’d probably use hearing protection. That high-pitched whine really is something. At least for my ears and I know that’s highly subjective.

I guess your’s is a ‘25 or ‘26? Does it make such a high-pitched whine?

Seems a lot of the younger/ more current generation brushless do that.

My older Festool EC-Tec not at all.

Kind regards,
Olli
Its a 2026 model,as far as i was able to hear it doesnt sound "odd",but will re check it again tomorrow morning. It might be the chuck ring on the top that's a free spinning on rohm chucks.
But like every wurth made in last 5 yrs head aint spinning 100% centered like a main shaft is off center or bent a little. They all do that,some more and some less. I hate it,its so bulky. I am using that thing for at least 2 hours or more every day and grip and ergo just aint good. One i like was made in 2018
 

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Its a 2026 model,as far as i was able to hear it doesnt sound "odd",but will re check it again tomorrow morning. It might be the chuck ring on the top that's a free spinning on rohm chucks.
But like every wurth made in last 5 yrs head aint spinning 100% centered like a main shaft is off center or bent a little. They all do that,some more and some less. I hate it,its so bulky. I am using that thing for at least 2 hours or more every day and grip and ergo just aint good. One i like was made in 2018
This is the one i like and managed to break after 8 yrs of daily abuse,its not a cube model,also one i have made in 2022 is bulky cube same as the new one.20260601_115229.jpg
 

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Its a 2026 model,as far as i was able to hear it doesnt sound "odd",but will re check it again tomorrow morning. It might be the chuck ring on the top that's a free spinning on rohm chucks.
But like every wurth made in last 5 yrs head aint spinning 100% centered like a main shaft is off center or bent a little. They all do that,some more and some less. I hate it,its so bulky. I am using that thing for at least 2 hours or more every day and grip and ergo just aint good. One i like was made in 2018

Man, that sounds like an all around awful experience. No chance of getting something that suits you better?

I’d be really interested in what you have to say about the noise when you get a chance. On mine, I don’t think its part of the chuck. But I will check as well. Thank you very much in advance!

Never checked mine for runout because it’s more of a “does everything” site tool for me.

Kind regards,
Olli
 

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Man, that sounds like an all around awful experience. No chance of getting something that suits you better?

I’d be really interested in what you have to say about the noise when you get a chance. On mine, I don’t think its part of the chuck. But I will check as well. Thank you very much in advance!

Never checked mine for runout because it’s more of a “does everything” site tool for me.

Kind regards,
Olli
Wurth shop is like 200 meters down the road so we work with em for at least 13 yrs. Pretty much all our corded and cordless tools are wurth. This time i told my boss to wait a few days so we can check and try to find old bosch model that i like (my old wurth). Bauhaus still might have it. Today wurth rep came with this and left it cuz boss ordered it. He bought it cuz they gave him junk budget red line 1/4 socket set made in china for free. Lol,set alone is like any other junk made $20 set. Ill let you know tomorrow if it there is any noise.
 

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Posted by another member here several days ago.
Generic, no-name, made in China (PRC) "Auto Fastener Clip Removal Pliers".
ebay. $13.70 incl. tax and shipping.
Promotional photo images might lead one to believe this tool is the solution for all of those pain-in-the-*** automotive plastic fastener clips. I'll throw it in my buddy's bag and see what he thinks about it.
When I looked at the ebay page from which I purchased this unit, down below were others - same model - down in the $10 price point range - if you're interested, price shop before pulling the trigger - prices are all over the map.
 

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My own Auto Fastener Clip Removal Pliers just appeared, with a ratchet in tow.
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Auto Fastener Clip Removal Pliers is a mouthful, so I'm inevitably going to call them penguin grips. Because I cannot help but see the vague shape of a penguin when they're closed. That sounds insane, but hear me out.
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How does this compare to something like the KTC clip removal tool? I'm waiting on a few of the KTC ones from Japan to arrive. I have to remove my entire dashboard to replace my evaporator core.
 

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call them penguin grips
not sure that's a good idea, as another manufacturer just introduced an angled-jaw needle-nose model they've dubbed The Kiwi .

I looked at 20 or 30 ads earlier on ebay on those things - they ALL say the same thing: "Auto Fastener Clip Removal Pliers".
Maybe we could make an acronym and call 'em "AFCRAP" but somebody might confuse that with an Goose selling insurance.
No idea on maker or nomenclature. We're just victims of this madness.
Maybe the Chinese are just inventing new widgets every day and it's gotten to the point now where they can't think up new names for them. "Just crank it out - some fool will buy it!"

No wonder I don't get anything done some days. .... :rolleyes:
 

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I intended to make a post showing several of my new tool purchase, but evidently there's a backlog and I have about 45-50 photos to show. 😲 So, rather than post it all up at once I figured I'd better do it in small chunks.

General No. 21 Sheetmetal Gauge (Paid more for an old stock U.S. made one on eBay.)
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Redline 99239 Angled Transmission Funnel (Amazon) for those horizontal transmission tubes they seem to put on vehicles. This one will be used on a GM. 4L80E.
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Lisle Brake Cylinder Hones. (I'd like to try my hand at rebuilding a few since kits for my Jeep are less than half of what a wheel cylinder costs. Sourced from Amazon.)
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Rhino Wrench Extender (Amazon.)
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Trusty Cook hammers, all three bossing mallets as well as the Model 2 26oz. soft face, the Model 0 13oz. soft face, and the Model TC26BP ball pein hammers.
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Just yesterday I was looking at felo bits. I’ve been on a binge trying to find a decent set. Thru the years I’ve had a few of their screwdrivers and really like them. So I take it their bits are good too ( unlike wera ) 😉



Those rails sure look like Ernst stuff. Just saying 🤔
They are Ernst, come in 3 different lengths, can add trays. Several color choices from Ernst except, Tekton exclusive color.
 
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Man, that sounds like an all around awful experience. No chance of getting something that suits you better?

I’d be really interested in what you have to say about the noise when you get a chance. On mine, I don’t think its part of the chuck. But I will check as well. Thank you very much in advance!

Never checked mine for runout because it’s more of a “does everything” site tool for me.

Kind regards,
Olli
 

four.cycle

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Well... so much for that ebay seller actually providing any information. Here's as much information as they were able to provide regarding the ""Auto Fastener Clip Removal Pliers":

Product Classification: Car Clip Pliers
Manufacturer Part Number (MPN): Car Clip Plier
UPC Code: 768330934869
Material Type: 17-4 Stainless Steel
Handle Material: Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC)
Included Components: Car Clip Pliers
Unit Count: 1.0 Count

IOW: nothing. Still have no clue who made them.
 

Jure

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That just reminds me of the old school NiCd era Milwaukee cordless drills.
The issue might be a higher pitch, maybe caused by brushless motors, since higher pitches don’t necessarily register more on a decibel meter, but can be more annoying if in a particular pitch range.
I cant hear the high pitch...imo pretty much all brushless motors sounds the same to me lol. I can hear the clutch when let off at full rpms.
 

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That just reminds me of the old school NiCd era Milwaukee cordless drills.
The issue might be a higher pitch, maybe caused by brushless motors, since higher pitches don’t necessarily register more on a decibel meter, but can be more annoying if in a particular pitch range.

Some of the newer DeWalt 20V battery hammer drills are surreal loud in the hammering mode. Even with ear protection your ears can ring. I have to wear ear plugs under exterior cup type protectors if using it ... which I avoid since that is a pain. It does not work so hot either. I have a corded SDS hammer drill that I will go to if more than one small hole. It works way better without the ear rattling experience. Even drilling with it makes very loud high pitch noises. But the hammer drill mode is surreal.

I do not understand how the engineers put something out like that in good faith. Surely they realized how LOUD it is. I would not be surprised if the sound intensity is beyond hearing damage thresholds for something you are holding close to your head when working.
 

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Some of the newer DeWalt 20V battery hammer drills are surreal loud in the hammering mode. Even with ear protection your ears can ring. I have to wear ear plugs under exterior cup type protectors if using it ... which I avoid since that is a pain. It does not work so hot either. I have a corded SDS hammer drill that I will go to if more than one small hole. It works way better without the ear rattling experience. Even drilling with it makes very loud high pitch noises. But the hammer drill mode is surreal.

I do not understand how the engineers put something out like that in good faith. Surely they realized how LOUD it is. I would not be surprised if the sound intensity is beyond hearing damage thresholds for something you are holding close to your head when working.
I suspect, the basic performance goals mostly don’t include decibel sound level maximums, or those decibel maximums get ignored if other metrics can be improved.
German Industrial standards for power tools may require sound considerations, but I doubt most manufacturers follow those.
Even Festool supposedly made motors for some of their saws, that had an awful enough sound that users thought there might be something wrong with the saws.
 

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I suspect, the basic performance goals mostly don’t include decibel sound level maximums, or those decibel maximums get ignored if other metrics can be improved.
German Industrial standards for power tools may require sound considerations, but I doubt most manufacturers follow those.
Even Festool supposedly made motors for some of their saws, that had an awful enough sound that users thought there might be something wrong with the saws.

You are probably right on the engineers ignoring sound for other spec improvements. But I do not think that is a wise optimization. At this point, most ~20V Li-Ion battery powered drills have been cheap, powerful, and have high battery life. Tweaking for a bit more at the expense of sound when you make the tool almost unusable in some modes (hammer drill) makes little sense. As I was mentioning they can be so loud that it is problematic even with extreme ear protection. Using something like that without ear protection will quickly give you permanent hearing damage.

To me, the main issues with battery powered drills these days are ergonomics (want light and compact), sound, and rpms. Most have more than enough torque (you can easily snap non-hardended lag bolts with them if you use them to drive and do not use a light touch driving them home) and good battery life if used with undamaged cells. rpms in drill modes for small drills is another issue. Only a very few will reach high rpms (I think they limit to get good battery life and optimize low rpm torque). So they are typically too slow for rapid drilling with bits less than ~1/8" diameter. For such small holes, I typically use hex chuck impact drivers (get a lot of rpm with good enough speed control and typically will not hammer for small bits) using small drill bits with hex shanks. Short bits with hex shanks work best to limit breakage. I use hex chuck impact drivers a LOT for pre-drilling for screws and rapidly swapping out the drive bit for the screw. I save the battery drill for making larger holes OR when I need hammer drilling (which I avoid due to the sound issue and I use my SDS corded drill which hammers much better anyway: so it only gets used for one off holes I want to drill quickly with minimal setup ... which necessitates finding ear protection due to the sound so it does not save much relative to running a cord). If I could find a battery drill in my battery line (DeWalt) that was light, compact, capable of higher speed in some ranges, and not so damn loud, and had a metal keyless chuck, then I would be all in. I do not care so much if the battery lasts super long: I use battery drills with small batteries since I only generally drill limited numbers of large holes at any one time and prefer the drill to be light. Too much noise is a major factor for the hammer drilling mode. My present DeWalt battery drill is very loud (though probably not hearing damage threshold) even without hammering.
 
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Yes... Not the big names like coke though
Mexican Coke comes in glass bottles, and you even need a bottle opener.

Do they still sell soda in glass bottles with caps at the grocery stores? All I've ever seen in over ten years are plastic bottles with screw caps.
Yes, glass bottled soda still exists.
Other than Mexican Coke, there is Virgil’s Root Beer, and other Virgil’s beverages,
various “premium” sodas routinely sold at places like Whole Foods and other “Health Food” stores,
Various beverage brands probably made in South and Central America, for brands based in those areas, that are routinely available at Walmart,
Various brands sold at Trader Joes, etc.
 

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Mexican Coke comes in glass bottles, and you even need a bottle opener.


Yes, glass bottled soda still exists.
Other than Mexican Coke, there is Virgil’s Root Beer, and other Virgil’s beverages,
various “premium” sodas routinely sold at places like Whole Foods and other “Health Food” stores,
Various beverage brands probably made in South and Central America, for brands based in those areas, that are routinely available at Walmart,
Various brands sold at Trader Joes, etc.
Smack's head, yes of course, Mexican Coke... Duuuuhhh.
 

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You are probably right on the engineers ignoring sound for other spec improvements. But I do not think that is a wise optimization. At this point, most ~20V Li-Ion battery powered drills have been cheap, powerful, and have high battery life. Tweaking for a bit more at the expense of sound when you make the tool almost unusable in some modes (hammer drill) makes little sense. As I was mentioning they can be so loud that it is problematic even with extreme ear protection. Using something like that without ear protection will quickly give you permanent hearing damage.

To me, the main issues with battery powered drills these days are ergonomics (want light and compact), sound, and rpms. Most have more than enough torque and good battery life if used with undamaged cells. rpms in drill modes for small drills is another issue. Only a very few will reach high rpms (I think they limit to get good battery life and optimize low rpm torque). So they are typically too slow for rapid drilling with bits less than ~1/8" diameter. For such small holes, I typically use hex chuck impact drivers (get a lot of rpm with good enough speed control and typically will not hammer for small bits) using small drill bits with hex shanks. Short bits with hex shanks work best to limit breakage. I use hex chuck impact drivers a LOT for pre-drilling for screws and rapidly swapping out the drive bit for the screw. I save the battery drill for making larger holes OR when I need hammer drilling (which I avoid due to the sound issue and I use my SDS corded drill which hammers much better anyway: so it only gets used for one off holes I want to drill quickly with minimal setup ... which necessitates finding ear protection due to the sound so it does not save much relative to running a cord). If I could find a battery drill in my battery line (DeWalt) that was light, compact, capable of higher speed in some ranges, and not so damn loud, and had a metal keyless chuck, then I would be all in. I do not care so much if the battery lasts super long: I use battery drills with small batteries since I only generally drill limited numbers of large holes at any one time and prefer the drill to be light. Too much noise is a major factor for the hammer drilling mode. My present DeWalt battery drill is very loud (though probably not hearing damage threshold) even without hammering.
Dewalt still offers a cordless drill with a three speed gear box, with 2000rpm rotation.
(I have no clue about noise).
(If I recall correctly, Dewalt, or maybe Hilti were the first to offer an gear for higher speed in a cordless drill).

Fein makes a cordless drill with a four speed gear box with 430/850/2000/4000rpm rotational speeds.
But with the Fein you would need to buy into the AmpShare system.

Festool also offers a four speed drill, but again, different battery system.

Hilti offers a four speed drill as well, but the top speed is around 2200 rpms.

All of these drills either come with, or can use an all steel chuck.
Of course the negative with the non-Dewalt drills would be battery systems.

Fein supposedly actually makes their tools for industrial users, so they include sound and vibration information.

Dewalt and Hilti don’t list sounds specs, at least on their US sites, although maybe if you can find the equivalent models on Euro sites the information would be listed.
 

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