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Don’t use your knipex pliers wrench as a prybar.
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But...but...Knipex...they're Knipex, can't they disassemble the planet and still look brand new?
Is everything I've learned on GJ a lie?!!!
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If they don't warranty it make no less than ten threads complaining about them not warranting the simple use of this tool and attempt to blacklist them.Don’t use your knipex pliers wrench as a prybar.
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lol!
Strouty
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I was going to say that they were damaged in shipping, but figured you guys could work with anything I said.
Seriously though, could you imagine if you ordered a regular pair and they accidentally sent these to you? Of course if you knew about them, it wouldn't be as funny.
Seriously though, could you imagine if you ordered a regular pair and they accidentally sent these to you? Of course if you knew about them, it wouldn't be as funny.
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i have one of those... pretty sure it's still behind the wall in a room on the other end of the house
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Well you got me!!!
Bargain from Gearwrench at under €9, useful tray for toolbox included. This
is my first Gearwrench buy.
Knipex pliers to fill the order, it does not say made in Germany on the tool or handle which is unusual for Knipex, is this an import i wonder ?!?
M_George
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I have one of them, been using it around the house for the last 20+ years.
It snaps the staples in solid.
Cross border run
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Looks like it says GERMANY to me...
Knipex pliers to fill the order, it does not say made in Germany on the tool or handle which is unusual for Knipex, is this an import i wonder ?!?
Knipex pliers to fill the order, it does not say made in Germany on the tool or handle which is unusual for Knipex, is this an import i wonder ?!?
I might be wrong, but I've seen some people confused by the difference between "Made in Germany" and just "Germany". There's a common sentiment here that if it doesn't say "Made in Germany", then it must be some loophole meaning it's not actually made in Germany. I don't think this is true though, as I have plenty of tools from all over the world, including Germany, Spain, France, Pakistan, and even China, that just have the name of the country they're made in without saying "Made in".
I even have some tools where the packaging said "Made in Germany" (or "Made in Spain", etc.) and then the tools themselves don't have any COO on them. For example, I have some old Belzer pliers with "Made in France" on the packaging, but then no markings on the pliers other than the brand name.
I also have a bunch of Elora locking pliers that are clearly Grip-on rebrands, but don't have the "Made in Spain" stamping on them. In this case, I'm guessing Elora thinks it's better to have no COO on them than to advertise they're non-German. That seems ridiculous to me, but it's the best guess I have.
There have only been a handful of times I've received tools that say a country on them and weren't actually made in that country, and those were the times when the country was part of the brand name itself. For example, notice that the Padre logo has "Germany" as part of the logo. Even worse is that it's on a separate line than "Padre", which when stamped on a tool, makes it seem like it's declaring a COO when really it's just the logo. Because of this, all the Padre tools I've seen say "Padre Germany" on them, but most of the ones made in Germany also have "Made in Germany" somewhere else.
In this case however, "Germany" is not part of the Knipex brand name or logo, so it actually is the COO.
I'd be interested to see counter-examples of tools stamped with a country that isn't the COO and also isn't part of the brand name or logo.
Wow never noticed that. That's actually what gets me suspicious, loads of tools say 'germany' particularly things like wrenches and spanners made in India or China but marketed by a German company are labelled like this. German manufacturers usually make a big play on putting 'made in Germany' clearly on the tool. Its a very nice tool, well machined and very smooth opening, but this could be said of many Taiwan tools too.
I have plenty of tools that say USA, Japan, Taiwan, Germany. To me, that is space saving and the COO. FWIW, I don't think Knipex outsources.
I spent a bit of time messing with it this evening and yes it's a nice pliers, whether it's Germany or Timbuktu it still a nice tool and that's what really matters I guess. It is actually nicer to use than the NWS I have btw.
They do outsource, but the examples off the top of my head are from other German tool companies. Their locking pliers and revolving hole punch pliers are made in Germany by Bollmann-Selzer, and their dismantling tools are made in Germany by Jokari.
I'm sure there are other examples, as they have several other specialty products in their lineup, including ratcheting crimpers, pipe cutters, scissors, magnetic LED lights, control cabinet keys, and all sorts of other stuff. I'd be surprised if they didn't outsource any of them.
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The want is strong on this one. Especially since I went to HD at lunch and saw they had the kit on for 268$. Reg is 299$ there and it's currently 319$ on Amazon.ca. Some day.
That is a thing of beauty.
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As others have stated, Germany is embedded in the steel itself at the joint.
That said, Made in Germany/Germany may not be what one thinks it is. Specifically, the rules only require that it's 20% German to qualify, or what they call significant transformation. Meaning, you can shove a foreign made screwdriver blade into a plastic handle made wherever in Germany, and it qualifies for Made in Germany.
1foxracing
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I have a set of Spero wrenches marked "Pat in Germany"
The box they came in stated "Made in Taiwan"
The box they came in stated "Made in Taiwan"
I have a set of Spero wrenches marked "Pat in Germany"
The box they came in stated "Made in Taiwan"
"Pat in Germany" ah Pat himself , i think i know that fella.
I have some of these Wagener brand wrenches marked Germany, but i know for a fact these are made in India.
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Warning: this post doesn't contain any new tool arrivals from me, so it'll be my last in this thread on the subject, and if you're just interested in pictures of new tool arrivals, you can stop reading now 
That's interesting! Do you have a source for that? I'm actually now curious what laws govern this sort of thing. I know the US has the "Country of Origin Marking" regulations as a result of section 304 of the Tariff Act of 1930.
The "General Information" section here spells out rules for when a second country qualifies as the country of origin being when it "constitutes a substantial transformation", but I couldn't find any percentages or specific definitions.
I can also see rules that say that "Made in" are only required when there is a country name on the product that is not the COO, then "Made in [COO]" must also be included nearby, so that the consumer doesn't think the other country name is the COO.
However, it strikes me that these are only US laws intended for those products to be imported into the US. So I wonder, what are the international laws, if any, and in the context of German tools, what are the German laws regarding domestic COO indications?
Oh yeah, this is the other exception that I've seen myself! So, I think I'd more accurately state that:
I've not seen tools stamped with a country that wasn't the COO, or part of the brand name or logo, or part of a separate statement like "Patented in" or "Pat", "Pat Pending", etc.
Another example of the patented thing I saw recently was the Lockjaw style locking pliers which have the US patent number on them, but are made in China as far as I know:
I think I've seen some Craftsman do this too, but can't find any pictures right now that show it.
Interesting! I was going to say this might be a good counter-example, but upon further research, I think this might just be another example of having "Germany" in their brand name and logo, like Padre.
However, it's interesting to note that in the case of both Padre and Wagener, the US import law clearly states that they're supposed to also stamp "Made in [COO]" as a requirement "only in the case where the name of any locality other than the country or locality in which the article was manufactured appears on the article or its container and may mislead or deceive the ultimate purchaser." It seems like these would qualify. Of course, the fact that they're breaking US import law may just be an indication that these tools weren't intended to be imported into the US.
I also found another clause described here that states that the product is exempt from the COO marking laws if "[the] article was produced more than 20 years prior to importation." So it could also be that they were imported 20 years after they were made, in which case they're back to being legal.
That said, Made in Germany/Germany may not be what one thinks it is. Specifically, the rules only require that it's 20% German to qualify, or what they call significant transformation. Meaning, you can shove a foreign made screwdriver blade into a plastic handle made wherever in Germany, and it qualifies for Made in Germany.
That's interesting! Do you have a source for that? I'm actually now curious what laws govern this sort of thing. I know the US has the "Country of Origin Marking" regulations as a result of section 304 of the Tariff Act of 1930.
The "General Information" section here spells out rules for when a second country qualifies as the country of origin being when it "constitutes a substantial transformation", but I couldn't find any percentages or specific definitions.
I can also see rules that say that "Made in" are only required when there is a country name on the product that is not the COO, then "Made in [COO]" must also be included nearby, so that the consumer doesn't think the other country name is the COO.
However, it strikes me that these are only US laws intended for those products to be imported into the US. So I wonder, what are the international laws, if any, and in the context of German tools, what are the German laws regarding domestic COO indications?
Oh yeah, this is the other exception that I've seen myself! So, I think I'd more accurately state that:
I've not seen tools stamped with a country that wasn't the COO, or part of the brand name or logo, or part of a separate statement like "Patented in" or "Pat", "Pat Pending", etc.
Another example of the patented thing I saw recently was the Lockjaw style locking pliers which have the US patent number on them, but are made in China as far as I know:
I think I've seen some Craftsman do this too, but can't find any pictures right now that show it.
I have some of these Wagener brand wrenches marked Germany, but i know for a fact these are made in India.
Interesting! I was going to say this might be a good counter-example, but upon further research, I think this might just be another example of having "Germany" in their brand name and logo, like Padre.
However, it's interesting to note that in the case of both Padre and Wagener, the US import law clearly states that they're supposed to also stamp "Made in [COO]" as a requirement "only in the case where the name of any locality other than the country or locality in which the article was manufactured appears on the article or its container and may mislead or deceive the ultimate purchaser." It seems like these would qualify. Of course, the fact that they're breaking US import law may just be an indication that these tools weren't intended to be imported into the US.
I also found another clause described here that states that the product is exempt from the COO marking laws if "[the] article was produced more than 20 years prior to importation." So it could also be that they were imported 20 years after they were made, in which case they're back to being legal.
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Low-profile set and some 1/4” WP extensions.
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WWheeler
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New to me. Driving by a garbage sale i though I saw some tools so turned around to take a look. Most of what little they had was total junk but this stuck out. Looks unused to me. Manufacturer/date code is L-AB which I think the 'L' means Taiwan (not sure about that - may be China - same diff) and the AB would be 2012 IIRC.
They wanted $30 for it. I tried to look it up on Sears, Amazon, ebay, etc, but couldn't for the life of me remember what to call this style socket set. I know they've been around a good while and several brands sell them, even recall a thread here comparing which are compatible with which, but still drawing a blank.
Anywho, offered $25 and they took it. Pretty happy with that, but still not sure if I got a good deal or not. I wonder if I couldn't have gotten the same set new from Sears for less with SYW points/freecash, assuming they even still sell it.
They wanted $30 for it. I tried to look it up on Sears, Amazon, ebay, etc, but couldn't for the life of me remember what to call this style socket set. I know they've been around a good while and several brands sell them, even recall a thread here comparing which are compatible with which, but still drawing a blank.
Anywho, offered $25 and they took it. Pretty happy with that, but still not sure if I got a good deal or not. I wonder if I couldn't have gotten the same set new from Sears for less with SYW points/freecash, assuming they even still sell it.
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New to me. Driving by a garbage sale i though I saw some tools so turned around to take a look. Most of what little they had was total junk but this stuck out. Looks unused to me. Manufacturer/date code is L-AB which I think the 'L' means Taiwan (not sure about that - may be China - same diff) and the AB would be 2012 IIRC.
They wanted $30 for it. I tried to look it up on Sears, Amazon, ebay, etc, but couldn't for the life of me remember what to call this style socket set. I know they've been around a good while and several brands sell them, even recall a thread here comparing which are compatible with which, but still drawing a blank.
Anywho, offered $25 and they took it. Pretty happy with that, but still not sure if I got a good deal or not. I wonder if I couldn't have gotten the same set new from Sears for less with SYW points/freecash, assuming they even still sell it.
Think what sears calls it is a pass thru socket set.
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You got a pretty sweet deal. I was bidding on this set (with the bits in the lid) on ebay a few weeks back and I ducked out at $125. In the end, it went for around $250. I was shocked it went that high.
WWheeler
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Think what sears calls it is a pass thru socket set.
Damn, I don't know why I couldn't even think of that. I just now searched Sears and looks like Craftsman actually calls them "Max Axess" but I see Gearwrench calls them 'Pass Thru' which makes more sense (searching on the computer is sooo much better than on my phone - can never seem to find the same results on mobile - not sure why). I'm not seeing the set I got on Sears though there is a smaller set they want $50 for which at best I probably could have gotten for about half that with SYW discounts, which is what I paid for this so not too bad.
Holy ****!
No freaking way I'd have paid anywhere near that for them. Just. No.
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I think these chrome sets are more desirable because they were the first Max Axess sets and may have been made in the U.S.A. this set even more so because it's the full set with the bits in the lid. I mis-remembered the final price of the auction; it was $200 at close. I don't have enough posts to post a link to the auction but if you search completed eBay auctions for 'Craftsman 39180' you can see the madness.
The black oxide sets are still readily available and are much more reasonably priced.
The black oxide sets are still readily available and are much more reasonably priced.
I think this is my 4th pick set lol.
I broke or lost so many picks that I only get them from HF for $.99 anymore. Or free when there is a coupon.