Siding / Stone Veneer

[tedo2007]

Curious, we already have 3 of the 4 walls of our garage sided. Now wanting to use stone veneer on the one wall either up a few feet or the entire wall.

Has anyone butted brick veneer right up to the siding corner trim? or will we be required to remove the corner trim and install the brick veneer corner peaces that look somewhat "wrapped around" for say?

 

[tedo2007]

I will try and post a picture to show what I am talking about.

has to be a way to do it, I just dont know how. Maybe it is acceptable to run the stone / brick veneer right up to the corner trim for the siding.

 

[Stuart in MN]

What kind of siding is on the 3 walls? If you post a picture it will help.

 

[The Cobbler]

is this an outside corner?
I would say the brick stops flush with the adjacent wall, and use a J trim at the end of the siding (nailed to the wall and lapped over top of the brick )

 

[tedo2007]

Yep outside corner.


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[tedo2007]

Will post pic in am.


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[Larryjones]

Havn't done it but I would run up to the j trim neatly and caulk. Might add anchors near the end so it won't peel off.

 

[joes169]

Can you explain the actual material you're going to use? You mention brick and stone veneer. What material you use will affect the advice.

 

[kaymccampbell]

I have cultured stone veneer on my first floor. I wrapped the corners so it carries around the house. Then you can hide the joint with plantings or a fence or something. IMNSHO, using vinyl corners, or j channel on the front, to terminate it looks goofy. Like a tack on, or you ran out of money and just quit there.

 

[tedo2007]

See above. Not trying to cut corners lol but how should I proceed?

We also haven’t finished around the garage doors yet but will once we figuring out what we are doing for siding. Would like to do brick face part way up or maybe even all the way up above the doors and then siding up the rest of the way.


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[engineer2]

Traditionally you put plastic sheeting on first, but it looks like you already have vapor barrier.

Attach cement board with cement board screws. Use a type that is OK for outdoor use. Some materials like Hardibacker are for indoor use only.

You will obviously need a tile saw. Put the stone veneer up as you would wall tile. Some people like Type S mortar, but modified thinset is much easier to work with. I like the stone that stacks tight so you don't have to grout anything.

 

[Varty Yo]

Depending on your building code cmement board might not be allowed on exterior i know here its. IF so you need to wire lathe it then scratch coat and back butter your stone of choice and stick away. The corner trim is just fine like that.

Been a bricklayer for over 20 years i know a thingy or two

 

[tedo2007]

Well, looking at the faux finish stuff that looks like real stuff. Worth butting it up to that corner trim or should I pay someone to wrap around?


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[jpcjguy]

I would think that it is personal preference. Depending on where you want to see the **** joint, the front or the side.....

 

[kj_mustang]

Well, looking at the faux finish stuff that looks like real stuff. Worth butting it up to that corner trim or should I pay someone to wrap around?


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If you are talking about wrapping the stone around the corner, the best looking way to do that is with the corner pieces of your chosen stone veneer. They are more expensive than the flat wall pieces so the cost adds up quick.

 

[tedo2007]

Well. I guess what I’m asking is if it can look good butting it up to the current corner trim.


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[chargermann]

If you are talking about wrapping the stone around the corner, the best looking way to do that is with the corner pieces of your chosen stone veneer. They are more expensive than the flat wall pieces so the cost adds up quick.

I'm currently finishing the cultured stonework on my outbuilding. Completed all three patio columns and working on the front elevation. Never did this work before, however, like tile setting, once you develop the pattern, it goes quickly. Very labor intensive though!
I chose the Boral product - Country Caramel.
As Mustang states, you definitely need to wrap the corners with those specific pieces. In my wall pic, I could not do that because the idiot gutter contractor never viewed the plans to observe the downspouts were to be set-in 12" to allow for a stone wrap. Overall, the wall corner looks O.K. with the stonework being flush with the edge of the building.
Also, if you're planning to install wall stonework to a short height, as in the pic (say 36" from ground), purchase the matching water sill. It makes a huge difference in appearance!

 

[tedo2007]

I'm currently finishing the cultured stonework on my outbuilding. Completed all three patio columns and working on the front elevation. Never did this work before, however, like tile setting, once you develop the pattern, it goes quickly. Very labor intensive though!

I chose the Boral product - Country Caramel.

As Mustang states, you definitely need to wrap the corners with those specific pieces. In my wall pic, I could not do that because the idiot gutter contractor never viewed the plans to observe the downspouts were to be set-in 12" to allow for a stone wrap. Overall, the wall corner looks O.K. with the stonework being flush with the edge of the building.

Also, if you're planning to install wall stonework to a short height, as in the pic (say 36" from ground), purchase the matching water sill. It makes a huge difference in appearance!

That looks great


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[sixty4]

Question on stone veneer (not to jump your thread). Do you need a bottom ledger before starting this?

 

[chargermann]

...some Guy's advise on working from the top down to avoid residual mud affecting the stone surface as you progress. however, I prefer to work from the bottom up, and yes, use a 1" x 4" w/tap-con's to support the bottom row of stone.
Also, with this particular cultured stone, its best to minimize the width of grout lines.

 

[dvo]

See above. Not trying to cut corners lol but how should I proceed?

We also haven’t finished around the garage doors yet but will once we figuring out what we are doing for siding. Would like to do brick face part way up or maybe even all the way up above the doors and then siding up the rest of the way.


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Butting it up to that trim would look nice. Wrapping around to another siding would looks half *** to me. My "personal rule" is to wrap around only if continuing with same material, otherwise terminate at trim.

 

[tedo2007]

Butting it up to that trim would look nice. Wrapping around to another siding would looks half *** to me. My "personal rule" is to wrap around only if continuing with same material, otherwise terminate at trim.

Excellent advice, will follow.


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[slackdaddy1]

It will "work",, but it will look even phony-er than Phony stone already looks.
The wrap around gives the illusion of it having the depth of real stone.

 

[slackdaddy1]

Also, check with the manufactures recommended practices.
Typically 2 layers of building felt, nail up wire lath sheets, 1/2 scratch coat, then the "stone"

 

[tedo2007]

Also, check with the manufactures recommended practices.
Typically 2 layers of building felt, nail up wire lath sheets, 1/2 scratch coat, then the "stone"

So maybe just take the easy way out and side it? Disappointing as I was going for a better finish on the front wall. Guess I should have planned better.


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[slackdaddy1]

It is some work to do it correctly over wood framing. The Flashing details around openings is critical. Building science is updated frequently,, get it wrong and you will have rotting framing.

So maybe just take the easy way out and side it? Disappointing as I was going for a better finish on the front wall. Guess I should have planned better.


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[slackdaddy1]

If stone is what you want go for it,,
Do you want the garage to just work in?
Or is it an important part of your "property"

The specific look of my garage was as important as the function,, I spent twice as much in materials and time on details that add zero to the function.

So maybe just take the easy way out and side it? Disappointing as I was going for a better finish on the front wall. Guess I should have planned better.


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[Tunajoe]

I've used El Dorado stone on exterior surfaces butting up to corner pieces but they were under a protected porch roof.
I've also used cement backer board to adhere the cultured stone to on another project that is outdoor. I used thin set and so far, several years into it with not one stone has come loose.
El Dorado stone has a great section on their website for dIYs or at least they used to.