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Hondaracer2oo4

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Garage floor poured last week. Control joints cut on Wednesday. I have closed up the building for slow curing. Now I am looking for a Siliconate sealer to protect against mostly road and deicer salts from the cars and oil stains. The floor does have radiant in it. I am going between the concretesealers USA ps101 or the legacy hd39. Any suggestions on which way to go or experience with how well either product performs. Thanks.
 
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Based on what you want the sealer to do for you, PS101 may be the better choice. The HD39 is a concrete densifer first, with siliconate added to give some water repellancy. The PS101 has much more siliconate and will do a better job at protecting the surface from road salts and deicing fluids over the long run. If your ultimate goal is to harden the concrete, then the HD39 would be a better choice.

Keep in mind that these type of sealers do make clean up of oil spills easier, but oil could still stain if allowed to sit for a long period.

Also, both of these products can be applied almost immediately after a pour and will help the concrete to cure.
 
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What would be the desired effect of the "densifier"? As far as oil and spill cleanup, I don't plan on letting anything leak on the floor and then leave it. I clean spills up when they happen, I am looking for the spill not to penetrate into the concrete leaving an oil spot forever after every drop of oil
 

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A densifer does just as described - it densifies the concrete and thus makes the surface harder. It is used for concrete polishing, anti-dusting, and for making the concrete surface more abrasion resistant, just to name a few uses. It does this by creating a reaction with the calcium hydroxide in the concrete to produce calcium silicate hydrate (CSH). This is the substance that gives concrete its strength. Then the CSH that is produced fills the open pores of the concrete increasing its density.

The result of this action creates a concrete surface that is much harder and does not absorb liquids as well. It's technically not a sealer, however, since liquids can still penetrate the surface if given some time. How well a densifier works depends on quality of the concrete as well. Poor concrete will not have as good a result as good concrete.

Penetrating sealers, such as the siliconate you were asking about, actually form a barrier in the concrete right at the subsurface that will not let liquids penetrate at all. Because penetrating sealers are not an actual film forming topical coating, oils can still possibly stain just the very upper areas of the concrete if left to sit. If you wipe up any stain potential liquids within a reasonable amount of time, then generally you will be fine.
 
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I don't plan on this being some sort of showroom. I do mechanical work, welding, work on equipment etc as a hobby. I went with a 4K psi mix. I am looking for a product that is no frills, will help protect against staining and salt. I guess it's a toss up wether to go with the densifier and a little bit of surface protection or just plain surface protection of the ps101.
 

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One of the suppliers has Ghostshield products. I used the 8505 product that stops salt, oils, and most other things too. I did apply the 4500 denisifier too. Concrete is not slippery at all and very happy with the outcome.
 
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Use the concentrate, one gallon covers 1250 sq. Feet. You don't want to over apply this stuff.
 
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Well the ultra concentrate does cover 1250 sqft but I assume that is one coat? If so that means I need two gallons of it at 275 per gallon shipped. So I am looking at $550? Also it says I have to wait the 28 day cure time before application. I was hoping to get it covered soon before the slab temp dropped to far.
 
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I talked with concretesealers USA today about their ps101 product. Unfortunately I was somewhat let down by their take on the product. As I said I am looking to protect against oil spills(cleaned up immediately) and road salt(rarely cleaned up). He told me that spilling oil on a penetrating sealer is still going to likely result in a small stain even if cleaned up immediately and that salt would need to be washed away in under 12 hours to prevent against harming the concrete. I thought that these or penatrating sealers sealed the subsurface to keep salt from hurting it and kept the oil from penatrating if cleaned up quickly. Am I wrong????
 
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