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harvel01

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I need to know what size generator needed for my house and would propane be pratical instead of depending on gasoline supply? I have a 1400 sq ft house. I volunteer at a local hospital and an electrician that works there told me I could hook up a generator thru my clothes dryer outlet with a 220v extension cord. He also said to be sure my main breaker box was shut off before I hooked the generator up to my clothes dryer connection. It sounds unsafe to me. A local electrical contractor said that it would cost me about $1500.00 to hook up a breaker box or connection to my main breaker box. Help. As you can see I don't know squat about all this. Thanks for and help.

Dennis
 
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Your electrician friend is nuts.....no way should you back feed thru a dryer outlet. If you don't think so, just call your local utility and ask. The only proper way is with a transfer switch, and there are a number of little gotcha's to be aware of - neutral bonding for one.

Propane requires a large tank for any real amount of run time, generator size depends on what you want to power during an outage.
 

sdowney717

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dont do that powering you breaker box backfeeding thru the clothes drier.
someday someone might be killed working on the powerline.
Depending on who made your panel, you may be able to use a dedicated gen set breaker with a lockout lever to back feed your panel. This breaker cant turn on unless the mains are turned off.
 

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I need to know what size generator needed for my house and would propane be pratical instead of depending on gasoline supply? I have a 1400 sq ft house. I volunteer at a local hospital and an electrician that works there told me I could hook up a generator thru my clothes dryer outlet with a 220v extension cord. He also said to be sure my main breaker box was shut off before I hooked the generator up to my clothes dryer connection. It sounds unsafe to me. A local electrical contractor said that it would cost me about $1500.00 to hook up a breaker box or connection to my main breaker box. Help. As you can see I don't know squat about all this. Thanks for and help.

Dennis

That is unsafe, not just for you but people in other houses, utility workers, etc. Do NOT even consider doing that.

Is your plan to run only certain loads, or your whole house at once? Do you have electric heat and/or an electric water heater?

Propane is a great option because it doesn't "go bad" like gasoline, so for a standby generator it's a bit more reliable then gasoline.
 

Stuart in MN

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Natural gas is probably even a better choice, but I assume propane is what you have available. The other guys have shot down the backfeeding issue through the dryer so I won't pile on.

The big question is what size generator you will need. It depends on what electrical items are essential in the house...usually you don't size them to run the entire house as if nothing happened, you just want it big enough to handle the important things. That typically amounts to keeping the furnace running, a well pump if you have one, a few lights and a few outlets. If you have an electric stove or water heater that adds to the load.
 

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I've installed both a manual transfer switch in my old house and a fully automatic one in my current house. Both houses had 8kw generators powered by propane which are fine for my 3000+ ft^2 house. If you're not comfortable installing new breakers in the main panel, then hire the job out.

Tom
 
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I need to know what size generator needed for my house and would propane be pratical instead of depending on gasoline supply? I have a 1400 sq ft house. I volunteer at a local hospital and an "electrician" that works there told me I could hook up a generator thru my clothes dryer outlet with a 220v extension cord. He also said to be sure my main breaker box was shut off before I hooked the generator up to my clothes dryer connection. It sounds unsafe to me. A local electrical contractor said that it would cost me about $1500.00 to hook up a breaker box or connection to my main breaker box. Help. As you can see I don't know squat about all this. Thanks for and help.

Dennis

Bold & quote marks by me.

What that so-called "electrician" told you about is called a "Suicide Cord", which is illegal, unsafe, & morally wrong to use, the backfeed can kill linemen repairing downed lines, a properly installed transfer switch is only safe way to run a genny as a backup source of power which will not allow power to backfeed through the PoCo transformer. (The transformer will boost the 240V from the genny to the whatever the primary voltage is, here it's 12,470V).
 

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All the above is absolutely correct, there must be absolutely no way your generator's output can ever be backfed into the power grid. But on to the size question. I installed a propane-fired genset last year for our house, which is about the same size as yours. I chose 10KW, which is not quite large enough for the full-house load. But I only dropped a couple of 120V circuits, the clothes dryer, and my shop circuits. Everything else, well pump, reefer, hot water heater (outages mean work on the farm, which means getting even dirtier than usual, and I don't like cold showers!) is covered on the automatic transfer switch. I am really pleased with the setup. But for a little better than 10 years I had been using a 4KW portable to run the reefer, furnace, well pump, and a few 120V light circuits. I did not use a transfer switch for that. Instead, I converted the hard-wired pump and furnace, both 120V, to plug and receptacle, so everything was run off extension cords. A big nuisance and very messy, but totally safe (I think others here have done the same). This kept lights and heat on, the reefer cold, even the tv and computer could be used (that genset has much more stable output than I ever expected). I hope I'm not being too long-winded, but the change-over to a permanent installation was occasioned by the big winter storms of the winter before last. I decided that at my age - pushing 70 - it was time to make life a little easier. It's turned out to be a great investment, I loved it when the first time the lights went out and my wife turned to me and said, "now what?" and my reply was, "just count to 15...". Good luck with your project, hope this has been a little helpful.
 

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:shocking:
Bold & quote marks by me.

What that so-called "electrician" told you about is called a "Suicide Cord", which is illegal, unsafe, & morally wrong to use, the backfeed can kill linemen repairing downed lines, a properly installed transfer switch is only safe way to run a genny as a backup source of power which will not allow power to backfeed through the PoCo transformer. (The transformer will boost the 240V from the genny to the whatever the primary voltage is, here it's 12,470V).

Use this setup
http://www.interlockkit.com/
 

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Just a note of caution- while mechanically these kits are no different from some of the "approved" transfer boxes, (Reliant for example), many jurisdictions will not allow their use. Check with your local AHJ to be sure. Square-D makes one for their QO box, and even that isn't allowed in some places. Hate to see someone going to all the trouble to install one only to find out it's not allowed.

I settled on this one - put all the "remain powered" circuits in the Reliance box, and just flip the main to transfer those circuits to gen power:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HS0HTY/?tag=atomicindus08-20
 
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