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Like many people on here I have a mix of tools. I have Craftsman, KD, SK, Kobalt and Stanley. Recently I dug out my old SK 3/8" ratchet. I forgot how much I liked it. I recently sold a Kobalt 300 piece tool set to a friend and that money is going towards a 1/4" set. The 91860 set is my first purchase. The reviews on here all seem to be very positive. So far Amazon is the cheapest. Tooltopia has the 3/8" and 1/2" set cheaper. Where else should I look for good prices? I have been watching ebay, but the new prices are higher and the used prices are almost the same as new. How are SK wrenches and screwdrivers? I have never used them, but I like the way they look. I am sticking with Channel lock for all my pliers and real Vise Grips. I am looking for testimonials, warnings and places to buy. Thanks in advance.
 
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SK screwdrivers and pliers are made by Western Forge. The SK cushion grip drivers are the same as Craftsman Professional and the pliers are very similar to the old red and black craftsman pro pliers. All of which are VERY good quality. The wrenches are great as well. You really can't go wrong with anything SK. The new ratcheting wrenches are supposed to be pretty awesome
 
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This may sound weird, but an SK ratchet makes me feel nostalgic. I used to work on my bicycle with an old SK Wayne ratchet. I just genuinely like using them. I have a few sockets and I really like them. I will check out those other brands of wrenches. I am mainly looking at longer wrenches and a set of stubbys. Does anyone have part numbers for the SK, Wright or Williams wrenches?
 

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Harry Epstein's has both SK and Wright listed on their website, so you'd be able to compare both lines at one place.
 

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I think sk makes decent stuff, but I don't like the round head ratchet's. They can be found cheap enough used, I bought one........but gave it away after using it for awhile. It worked, but to me there is better ones these days. The other mechanic uses sk wrenches for alignments.......I think that says they are pretty decent. I think their chrome stuff is great, but I don't know about the rest. Seems overpriced.
 

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Does anyone have part numbers for the SK, Wright or Williams wrenches?

with williams the best deal for metric is to get the 15pc set then expand as needed... MWS-15A is the set... tools delivered has the best price i've found
 

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This may sound weird, but an SK ratchet makes me feel nostalgic. I used to work on my bicycle with an old SK Wayne ratchet. I just genuinely like using them. I have a few sockets and I really like them. I will check out those other brands of wrenches. I am mainly looking at longer wrenches and a set of stubbys. Does anyone have part numbers for the SK, Wright or Williams wrenches?

There is nothing wrong with that. Like I said you can't go wrong with SK. They have made a commitment to American manufacturing. If it says SK it USA made. Most all of my new tool purchases have been SK or Wright. Wright is another company committed to USA manufacturing. Both are fantastic quality at decent prices. I used to buy a ton of Snap On. Since I have joined this site I realized there are less expensive alternatives out there and the quality is just as good.
 

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The SK wrenches got backlash for being a little on the thick side I thought. The open end is what I'm referring to.

Their chrome seems to hold up well and resist oxidation better than foreign stuff.
 

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I'm looking for a new 1/4" metric set too and have looked at all the U.S. manufacturers. For me It's pretty much a toss up between SK & Williams. I like them both but am leaning towards Williams USA...

Tools delivered seems to have the best prices (for Williams)
 
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Since I am not Scrooge McDuck I will have to get each set as funding permits. First is the SK 91860(1/4" set) and the 94549(3/8" set). The former will come from Amazon and the latter will come from tooltopia due to price. That will be followed up by SK 4147-6(1/2" set). Then I will shop for wrenches. I really want US made wrenches. The Wright and the SKs are both US made. It will come down to price and reviews I find. I have been reading posts about wrench length and the way they grip bolts. So far I am still not swayed one way or the other. I want a set of metric and standard full length and stubby wrenches. I have homework to do. Has anyone compared these two wrenches?
 

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The SK wrenches are good and I would buy a set if I needed another wrench set. Don't care about the gimmick wright grip/flank drive plus ****. I have a set of FD+ and don't care for them. Screwdrivers I buy snap on and nothing else personally. I have some craftsman pros, they're good, but not on the level of the instincts.
Also, if you want stubbies, craftsman was selling sets of the NOS USA wrenches, don't know if they still are, but those are the best value, hands down, on a set of stubby wrenches. It was a metric and SAE set for like $100 or less.

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This is the set i'm referring to. No longer available at Sears. It was under 100 when it was available.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Craftsman-U...hash=item3ce59ca004&item=261550284804&vxp=mtr

The 1" and 22mm usa stubbies are still available on sears though as individuals to help fill the set.
 
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For the socket sets I am pretty much set on SK. That is a nice Blue Point set, but just not what I am looking for. I am hoping to start acquiring next week. I have a MAC Tech 1000 box an I think it will play nice with SK socket sets.
 

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Define real vise grips? Real vise grips are not the **** thats passed off as vise grips now. Those are junk, so I hope you had something else in mind, unless you have old ones?
 

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I have been switching to SK as well, price is great compared to SO and Matco. Only thing I am disappointed in so far are the 1/4 drive universal sockets, pins fell out, chrome finish horrible... Wrenches, torx bits, breaker bars, ect have been great. I have bought all of mine off amazon, cheapest prices as far as I can tell.
 
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Some of my vise grips are 30 years old and work like new. I have noticed the newer stuff with the duller finish is not as good. When I can find older ones I try to pick them up.
 

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I've never had a issue w/ any SK tool. I'm a diesel mechanic, all my impact sockets, impact swivels are all SK. Also have some wrenches which hold up remarkably well, and their stubby wrenches are very nice. I don't think you'll be disappointed with SK.


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I have a bunch of SK tools and I have no complaints. I have a set of Wrightgrip wrenches and while they are great they do leave marking on nuts, etc. Of course it depends on the hardness of the nut and what you are working on (restored 71 hemi cuda).
 

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SK is very clearly struggling with their quality control and customer service. And they have had some engineering problems as well (with the X wrench). Lots of threads here that you possibly missed. Be sure to seperate out comments about the old SK company (perhaps like groundpounder's above) and comments about the new Ideal SK tools that you will be buying.

Williams USA and Koken are both better choices in this market. If I had to choose, I think I would pick Koken for their innovation, and quality control. They produce jewel-like tools.

Williams has the advantage of having access to Snap On's IP. New Williams USA ratchets are basically discontinued Snap On models. I'm not 100% sure Koken's innovative tools will work seemlessly with Snap On if you were to choose a few Snap On ratchets or extensions in the future. I know Koken has been working on the recess in the drive end of their sockets.

Just of consistency sake, my advice is typically to buy used truck tools as these are top quality for comparable price. If money is tight, I think all of us agree the tools at the bottom of the market, HF, even Craftsman, deliver a ton of capability for very little money. Mid range, mid priced products often struggle to make the value for money business case.
 

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Hmm this thread is interesting. My tool chest is full of craftsman sockets but I now need a set of wrenches and sockets to keep in my project car in case I get stranded. I figured I would use this time to find some better quality stuff to put in my chest and swap some of my craftsman stuff to my car.
 
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I'm an SK fan, and I'm not sure I'd be buying SK right now. I absolutely LOVE their 1/4" set. My boss just got one and it's really nice, but then I keep hearing of inconsistent quality control from others and I know how my luck goes, so I'm holding off (it's not like I NEED it).

I think used SK tools can often be fantastic deals, especially since you can catch their ratchets for under $20.00 any day of the week. Like you, I happen to like SK's ratchets, and yeah, it is a bit of nostalgia for me too. It's rare I actually "need" a 72 tooth ratchet, but they're nice. Really, it doesn't matter to me as long as I have a little of everything. So I would buy used SK in a heartbeat, new I'm not so sure at this particular point in time.

As for wrenches, I have yet to hear anyone complain about SK's combination wrenches. They're very good wrenches (I recommend the long pattern, as the standard ones are pretty darned short), and the quality is excellent...but again, I wouldn't be buying them right now. This is hard for me to say because I have a set of SAE long pattern SK wrenches that I've used for over 20 years and they're absolutely fantastic.

But things have changed in those 20 years, the industry has evolved and products have changed; but SK didn't. Most everyone has some sort of anti-slip design but SK doesn't.

Now honestly, I've never had a problem with rounding fasteners with my long pattern SK wrenches, but I'm not a pro wrench either so maybe I've had less opportunity. Regardless, I can always figure out a way to get a fastener off without rounding a head.

Still, if I were buying combination wrenches today I would buy Williams; just no doubt about it. This in spite of the fact that my SK wrenches have been fantastic, but there are just better wrenches for the money.
 
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I am looking into all of the suggested wrenches. I may see if I can pick up some singles on ebay and see how I like them. I read some of the posts about SK and some of the issues people have had. It will be a while before I start picking up wrenches, so there is time.
 

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But things have changed in those 20 years, the industry has evolved and products have changed; but SK didn't.

Yes, the industry has evolved. Most manufacturers have cheapened the product and moved to China.

This isn't like consumer electronics where products quickly becomes obsolete.

I'll take the old proven designs made in the USA over some of these new gimmicks any day.

I have yet to witness an anti slip open end wrench save the day.
 

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I'll take the old proven designs made in the USA over some of these new gimmicks any day.

I'll second that. I'm kind of old school guy ... I like things that are simple yet proven for a long period of time. SK's line of ratchets is a good example. While they may not have 80 tooth like some others, not as slim as some others, or "feel" as good as others ... they are pretty tough ratchets that have proven themselves many times over. Don't take me wrong, I also like the fine tooth & slim head ratchets like Snap-on, but I never ever get tired of my SK ratchets. They are my go-to ratchets. ;)
 

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Yes, the industry has evolved. Most manufacturers have cheapened the product and moved to China.

This isn't like consumer electronics where products quickly becomes obsolete.

I'll take the old proven designs made in the USA over some of these new gimmicks any day.

I have yet to witness an anti slip open end wrench save the day.
Good point, but that's not what I was eluding to. The big one is the lack of anti slip on their wrenches when most everyone else in the industry has it; and it's not a gimmick, it's proven to work. If an entire industry changes and you don't, you get left behind. Now I know some prefer wrenches that don't have the ASD, but if you're a manufcturer you have to keep up with the market and the demands of that market. So if SK wants to appeal to those who don't want the ASD, then they should offer both. Same goes for their screwdrivers, no anti cam on them other than bead blasting the tips before chroming; not sufficient.

And I'm not saying that minus these features that SK's aren't good tools; they're excellent. But the market demands and expects these advances and SK is lagging way behind. I'm quite happy with my 20 year old long pattern SK wrenches, and they have never let me down. And even without the ASD I have no need to upgrade, I'll use them till the day I die. But I am passively in the market for some new metric wrenches, and SK is not being considered at present because I can get the Williams for the same cost as SK and the Williams does have the ASD; better value. It will be a while before I can afford a new set of wrenches, as my old US Craftsman's are doing just fine; so my new wrenches will be a luxury not a necessity. I'm just hoping SK adds ASD by the time I have a couple hundred disposable dollars, I'd like to buy SK to match my existing SK's.

I'm hopeful SK will get it all ironed out, but I'm just not comfortable with them AT THIS TIME. Their new ratcheting wrenches have the ASD so I know it's in the hopper for SK. Their little issues with their chrome on their sockets is just goofy, I'm sure they'll get it worked out; but they need to work it out! The chrome issue on their sockets is probably the most disturbing issue to me since their sockets are their backbone and have always been their best and most consistent product. I REALLY want that 1/4" set, but I'm just not going to buy it until my confidence level is higher.
 

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Their little issues with their chrome on their sockets is just goofy, I'm sure they'll get it worked out; but they need to work it out! The chrome issue on their sockets is probably the most disturbing issue to me since their sockets are their backbone and have always been their best and most consistent product. I REALLY want that 1/4" set, but I'm just not going to buy it until my confidence level is higher.

What issue with their chrome?

The fact that some sockets have paint on the inside and others don't?

That's been explained to death and people still keep spreading misinformation.

They don't paint the insides of the sockets because there is an issue with the chrome, or that they don't chrome the insides of their sockets or anything like that (on a side note, how the hell do you not chrome the inside of any sockets- sockets are dipped when they are chromed, not like chrome is sprayed onto the sockets or something like that).

Furthermore, if the chrome on the insides of the sockets was so poor, then why would they apply a paint layer that comes off with a use or two? The paint comes off, and then you can see the nice chrome underneath it. This is a technique that is used by more than just SK, but people only complain about it when it comes on an SK socket set (Armstrong has the same thing on their sockets, and I've seen it on others- usually US brands- too).

The reason not all of them come with the paint on the inside is an old vs new production thing. Sockets made early (not sure when exactly it ended, but it was probably 2-3 or maybe 4 years) under the Ideal industry ownership did not have the paint. It was a recent change.

SK (as do most tool manufacturers) doesn't have one machine for every single socket size they make. Instead they have just a few large machines with dies that can be swapped. They then make X number of size Y, and then A number of size B, and so on and so forth. Therefore, SK still has many sockets left over without the paint. It may take years (especially for some of the less popular sizes) to be worked out of the systems (not to mention those that are sent to a warehouse and may be there for 5, 10 years) before they all have the paint. And by that time SK may decide that the paint isn't worth the cost and switch back to unpainted interiors!

Now occasionally some sockets do get released with an over spray, globby interior spray, or partial interior spray. Yeah, they don't look great, but again, the paint comes off easily if you actually use them :lol:

If that's not what you meant, then this doesn't apply to you. But it's probably helpful to repeat for many here who have no clue (many of which don't own any SK sockets, or they would know that the paint comes off with use).

I should also note by "use," I mean using them on nuts and bolts like in automotive repair. Not "use," as is polishing them for your display case next to the dining room table.

On another aside, I've never understood this forum's obsession with the interior finish of sockets. Don't the interiors all get beat to hell and filled with dirt in a few days anyway? Or is that just me?
 
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I am wanting to get a decent range of wrenches. 6mm to 25mm and 1/4" to 1 1/4". I found a 12 point 12mm long pattern SK on ebay for a few dollars. It will be tested thoroughly on driveshaft bolts.
 

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I have yet to witness an anti slip open end wrench save the day.




Come on down to pittsburgh, let's do some alignments. :lol_hitti





I'm quite happy with my SK. I feel like I'm jumping on some sort of bandwagon, but I'm buying more of their stuff, always checking their offerings, even coworkers are getting interests peaked. Hopefully this means word is spreading, sales will roll forward. Although, I've heard a LOT of griping from the older guys about warranty, from the bankruptcy days. They may not ever get some customers back. Although all those tools should have now been replaced, it did piss some people off. SK does well in the value for money sector, especially for those who require USA made tools (FWIW: I'm not one of them).
 
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Anti-slip is a gimmick. Up here in Milwaukee, if that tie rod isn't turning readily you're warming up the torch. Which is the only place I can actually see ASD working is on an alignment, and if its coming down to that, a vise grip works better, which is just a last ditch effort before sparking up the flame. Its more of a PITA than its worth, thankfully I only have it on one wrench set. if your fastener is rusty and you want to use the open end, sometimes you have to force it on or pound the wrench on. Nice marketing, basically useless. Whats more important is the quality of the metal used on the wrench and SKs i'd be happy with.
 

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My Craftsman USA fully polished combo wrenches have been great for over 15 years. So have my SK flares & stubbies, & my Heyco's...

I'm just a hack home shop "mechanic" but if I were a pro making a living wrenching I guess I might consider some newfangled "grip" type wrenches. I wouldn't let them get near any of my restoration work though if they'd leave witness marks on the fasteners...I've also never had a situation where I thought I needed them.

Bottom line, I like my SK's, they're older models so can't comment on new stock. If I WAS in the market for new wrenches it would probably be SK or Proto. Or maybe some of the European brands. Oh hell, I don't know, glad I don't need to make that decision. Lots of great choices.
 
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Anti-slip is a gimmick. Up here in Milwaukee, if that tie rod isn't turning readily you're warming up the torch. Which is the only place I can actually see ASD working is on an alignment, and if its coming down to that, a vise grip works better, which is just a last ditch effort before sparking up the flame. Its more of a PITA than its worth, thankfully I only have it on one wrench set. if your fastener is rusty and you want to use the open end, sometimes you have to force it on or pound the wrench on. Nice marketing, basically useless. Whats more important is the quality of the metal used on the wrench and SKs i'd be happy with.

What ASD wrenches have you tried? The test results I've seen match my hands on experience. A Snap On FDP open end won't slip. Something else will break. And no vise grip in the world is as strong. This makes me think you are using some ???? wrench.

People like you are a perfect candidate for better tools.
 

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What issue with their chrome?
No it's not paint on the inside. I agree that's a red herring. Its chrome losses on the exterior of extensions, and around the rim of the sockets (which typically leads to flaking)
 

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What is the purpose of the spray paint? Is there some benefit to it?

Two purposes. Additional anti-corrosion layer. Second and more important purpose is that plating has a hard time getting all the way inside, especially on the deep well sockets, so the paint covers any bare tool steel the plating process didn't adhere to well.

I don't know why this keeps coming up primarily in SK threads. Every socket manufacturer does it, if not on all sizes then specific ones, but they all do it. People should want the anti-corrosion application instead of whining about it.

Anti-slip is a gimmick.

Spoken like someone who hasn't used it before. The only pattern that I found to be worthless is Stanley/Proto/MAC ASD. On the other hand

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It works, in some cases damn well. Your comment about metal being important is true but the reasons why wrenches spread so easily is because the fastener is rolling to its corner localizing the torque which makes the open end spread easiest. Modified open ends, primarily those like FD+, Williams, and Matco/Armstrong are cut to force substantially more engagement against the fastener wall ergo it takes more torque to get the same amount of spread as a standard open end. Its simple physics at work.
 
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The 91860 set is my first purchase. The reviews on here all seem to be very positive. So far Amazon is the cheapest. Tooltopia has the 3/8" and 1/2" set cheaper. Where else should I look for good prices?

I have the SK 1/4" 91860 (Reg & Deep) set and 91824 (Semi Deep) set. The 91824 is my goto set 70% of the time. I did pick up a 40971 long handle 1/4" ratchet and keep it in the Semi-Deep box. If I had a do-over I would of purchased the 91824 1st.

After my recent purchases from Epstein's, they will be getting my business in the future. Their customer service is second to none. Example: I purchased a Wrightgrip wrench set that contained two of the same size wrenches, simple packaging mistake by Wright. There was no return the entire set or return the duplicated wrench hassles to prove it... Instead they 'trusted' me and within 24 hours HJE had Wright Tool priority ship the missing wrench direct to me. Try and get a human life form from Amazon or Tooltopia to do that!
 
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No one was talking about paint in this thread until you brought it up. The user you quoted was talking about the chrome. Look up last year's SK Day thread to see several examples of bad/flaking chrome. I had a couple of sockets come up with bad chrome from that event. Yes, Epstein's took care of it, but these issues shouldn't be making it out of the factory in the first place.

Yes, I understand that now, that the poster I quoted does indeed mean chrome (chipping) problems. However, many on this forum still do confuse the paint with chrome. I corrected someone a few days ago on this, and this was his response (still trying to argue that they are painted when they aren't properly chromed).

As for the SK stuff, yes they attempt to chrome the inside of all their sockets. But when the chrome doesn't give enough coverage they paint them for protection. Most large sockets are painted, but with SK you'll find random numbers of less than 1" sockets painted inside. And I do mean random!

This is just one of many that confuse the paint with chrome issues, which it is not. Again, it appears that those in this thread aren't confusing chrome and paint, but as I said, it bears repeating since so many are still poorly informed on this.
 

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I have snap on sockets but find myself reaching for my sk 3/8 set in the case because it's so easy to take with you and works really well but I always take a snap on ratchet with we as the one in the set isn't my favorite. Seems most of my repairs are done in the field and not in my shop/barns
 
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Thanks guys. This gives me options. I will be honest, Wright and SK are in the lead. Craftsman has just been a disappointment to me. When I go in a Sears they look at me like I am trying to scam someone and treat me like my money is no good. This has happened at two different locations and one even told me my stripped 1/4" ratchet should be thrown away. The fact they are moving production elsewhere helped me decide to go elsewhere. I am currently shopping for a Wright wrench to use. Besides, I am always looking for a reason to buy new tools.
 
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