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SK vs HF Flare nut wrenches

5mall5nail5

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Well it goes without saying that HF units are going to be inferior to SK units. But, I wasn't really sure of what to expect when the SK arrived. Brief back story - I had picked these HF units up specifically for the 11mm and 14mm flare nut sizes. I never really used them until recently when I had a brake line that was being difficult. I slipped the 14mm over the nut without even thinking and started turning. Thought I broke it loose, but instead, I had actually rounded the nut and skipped it in the wrench opening. :scared:

No big deal, as there was another junction already removed and I removed the trailing arm from the car w/ the brake line still attached. I ordered a replacement line but its not formed so now I get to muck around with bending the line to match. Fun. So to avoid all that, here I am with SK units.

The SK hold the nut in a much different manner than HF. I expected the SK to just be more rigid and better steel but they actually have a different geometry which makes a lot more sense. Here are the images of how the wrenches hold the 14mm nut.


HF 14mm nut by Jon Kensy, on Flickr


SK 14mm nut by Jon Kensy, on Flickr

So you can see the SK rotates the nut and then hangs onto it on every flat and all but one corner. The HF units leave one flat and 2 corners untouched. The worst part about this is that the HF unit leaves the front open end of the wrench un-bound. The SK has the little tangs that hit the corner flats and keep the wrench from opening more than it should. The HF lacks that and the pivoting point on the wrench is at the top and bottom of the nut in the image, right in the middle of the wrench mouth, meaning they are more prone to opening. You can tell they tried to counter this with more material, but being HF we know that doesn't mean much.

I know that this is a $100 vs $10 comparison but I honestly didn't think there'd be a difference, so I never thought to pick up a better set.

Here are the wrenches in comparison:


HF vs SK Flare Nut Wrench by Jon Kensy, on Flickr

The SK have a little area of the chrome not sitting perfect but its in the opening of the wrench where wear is high - its not peeling and the B&W macro photo makes it look worse than it is. I am not that concerned. The handles and all over are perfect on every wrench. The 14mm is the only one with a little chrome acting up in the opening. Don't think I will bother returning.

They were $100 from Advanced Auto believe it or not and I used a coupon for $40 off! Not bad!

Oh well hopefully someone learned like I did that its not just the materials in use but the actual design - something as simple as a flare nut wrench can be made right and wrong - who would have thought!?

Enjoy guys
 
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Super Sport

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Nice comparison! I never thought to look at how they hold the nut, assuming it would be the same. The SK definitely look like they do a better job.

I'm going to have to look at my older SK-made Cman Pro, but I'll bet they are made the same as the SK.
 

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I do like my SK flare wrenches a lot. I normally only buy Metric but I decided to have the combo set on these.
 

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Flare wrenches are the only Snap on product I have ever bought. I live in the rust belt and I figured to give myself a fighting chance for once.
 

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Hate to say it but the HF grabs more sides of the nut where the SK almost leaves two sides almost untouched. I would like to see electrolights photos as well to determine the differences.....
 

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Hate to say it but the HF grabs more sides of the nut where the SK almost leaves two sides almost untouched. I would like to see electrolights photos as well to determine the differences.....

Yes, the HF is most definitely a better design, hence why all of the expensive brands use the inferior design. :eyecrazy:

The style of the SK is definitely superior.
 

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Hate to say it but the HF grabs more sides of the nut where the SK almost leaves two sides almost untouched. I would like to see electrolights photos as well to determine the differences.....

It's about the same, but where the SK grabs is better.

If you look closely, they both leave about 1 and 3/4 flat sides left untouched. It's just in different places.
 

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Interesting comparison.

I keep a set of hf wrenches in the bronco for trail repairs. Never had to use them
 

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I have a fair amount of hf tools, and just as much snap on.

I hate my hf flarenut wrenches. They don't fit well, and they have huge heads.

I have been using some craftsman raised panel flarenuts, much better.
 

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Great photos and great information!

HF makes a lot of great products, many of which I use and love. But they also make a lot of ****! This is a great example of where you need to pick and choose which tools you save money on, and which tools you invest real money into.

Also, great to see another excellent product from SK.
 
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It's about the same, but where the SK grabs is better.

If you look closely, they both leave about 1 and 3/4 flat sides left untouched. It's just in different places.

While it would seem so, look at where the nut "ramps" on the HF and on the SK. The HF puts the point of the nut RIGHT at the widest part of the wrench, so as the wrench walks up the nut, it's at the widest, least supported part of the wrench hence why they expand and round/skip the nut.
 

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This is interesting. I've noticed the difference before, except that I never knew one style was better than the other.

Doing a quick search through eBay ... It seems like snap on, craftsman, mac, matco all have the same style as the SK.

However. Proto and Blackhawk have the HF style.

Furthermore, why don't these flare nuts have recessed out corners/flank drive?
 

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This is real simple. The HF grabs four corners. REAL flare-nut wrenches, like the SK grab five corners. The corners (well, NEAR the corners) are where the real torque is transferred; as evidenced by the multiple designs of flank-drive and similar profiling to avoid rounding the corners of the fastener. Therefore the SK and similar styles have an immediate 125% advantage, not counting superior steel.

Harbor Fright = Total Junk.
 

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I wonder how much they save per set by not casting the extra corner/s
 
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when i looked at the HF flare nuts wrenches, i got the impression that they were made as 6pts, and the small section was cut out after broaching. thats what it seemed to me. each wrench cut out is a little different shaped, and differently finished.

where as most any decent brand, it is obvious they are different than a 6pt wrench, in shape and finish.
 

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Thanks for the info and pics. I have been looking for a new set of flare nut wrenches and have read a lot of threads on them lately. Obviously nut engagement is an important aspect and the pics clearly shows the SK has a superior design that is much less likely to round over the edges.

The other important aspect is steel strength. In other Flare wrench threads here, there have been people who claimed to have SK flare wrenches (or USA Craftsman Pros which were made by SK) and had issues with them being too soft and spreading open on really tough nuts?

SK generally makes some good tools and from a price perspective, they are much more attractive then the next best bet (Snap-On) but I've read enough negative comments about the SK version to make me a little leery of them?

I'm normally don't buy Chinese made tools when I can help it but the GearWrench Flare nut sets look pretty good, price right, well reviewed and have the offset head like the Snap-On version? Anybody care to comment on them?
 

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While it would seem so, look at where the nut "ramps" on the HF and on the SK. The HF puts the point of the nut RIGHT at the widest part of the wrench, so as the wrench walks up the nut, it's at the widest, least supported part of the wrench hence why they expand and round/skip the nut.

No arguments here. The SK is a better design, i was defending it to the dude who said the HF was better. ;)
 

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To those thinking about the SK flares, I would first look at ebay for a used set of snap-on which can be had for less than new SK's. I did this after reading some other reviewers saying their Snap-Ons were better than the SK they had. I haven't tried SK, but love my snappy's as these are my only snappy tools like another said above.

My cman pros were garbage.
 

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No arguments here. The SK is a better design, i was defending it to the dude who said the HF was better. ;)

I never said the wrench was better. All I said was it looks to grab more area. It is very evident that the casing is less superior on the HF wrench. That is why I would like to see the other photos.......
 

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I never said the wrench was better. All I said was it looks to grab more area. It is very evident that the casing is less superior on the HF wrench. That is why I would like to see the other photos.......

Grabs about the same area, methinks.
 

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After reading this thread, i went and looked at the pics online for the mastercraft flare wrenches i bought last month for $10 (6pc set)....and they're the same design as the SK ones. I haven't used mine yet...just couldn't argue with the price.
 

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I would venture to guess that the quality and type of steel have a lot to do with it. My Snap on set has never given me a problem other than the fact that sometimes the opening won't let your turn a nut due to space confinements, in which case i use a craftsman or sk instead. I have noticed the jaws spreading on everything but the snap on in extreme cases and have had squeeze the jaws together with vice grips while breaking a flare nut free on occasion. I still have other brands but if the snap ons fit the available space and range of movement then i use them.
 
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I would venture to guess that the quality and type of steel have a lot to do with it. My Snap on set has never given me a problem other than the fact that sometimes the opening won't let your turn a nut due to space confinements, in which case i use a craftsman or sk instead. I have noticed the jaws spreading on everything but the snap on in extreme cases and have had squeeze the jaws together with vice grips while breaking a flare nut free on occasion. I still have other brands but if the snap ons fit the available space and range of movement then i use them.

Bill you know how annoying E34 brake nuts can be, ugh. I had to buy new lines for the rear :(

The SK seem to perform great.
 

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Grabs about the same area, methinks.

It is a bit of an optical illusion that the HF looks like to have more surface area contact but the SK contacts more corners. I have a SK set in the roll away and the HF set in my portable bag. I will look at them latter tonight....
 

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I am just a DIYer and my box has mostly a mishmash of different brands. The only full sets I have are a full set of Snap-On metric and SAE line wrenches. I love using them. When you buy them at a good used price like about $10-$15 each, your cost of ownership is zero. They will always be worth $15 each.
 

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I looked at them (HF) in the store, and I wouldn't buy them. They don't look like they would work too well. I'll stick with my my Allen's, good enough for a DIY. If I was wrenching everyday, I would upgrade a bit prolly to the S-K or Snappy's.
 

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I was at HF yesterday, so I checked out the flare nut wrenches.

There are TWO different types.

One type is the one shown in the first post of the thread. It's in orange packaging and made in China.

There's a SECOND style - which has the same nut holding pattern as the SK wrenches. It comes in black green and white packaging, and is made in India.
 

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i think the china are old stock. my local used to have them not to long ago, before everything started going to india COO. i own neither.
 

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I have China Craftsman and RP Craftsman. Here are some pictures to compare with.

<a href="http://s996.photobucket.com/albums/af87/dsmnick99/?action=view&current=2012-07-16_15-30-56_636.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af87/dsmnick99/2012-07-16_15-30-56_636.jpg" border="0" alt="Uploaded from the Photobucket Android App"></a>
The china is just a tad longer and alot wider. They dont feel as good as the RP do in the hand

<a href="http://s996.photobucket.com/albums/af87/dsmnick99/?action=view&current=2012-07-16_15-31-11_220.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af87/dsmnick99/2012-07-16_15-31-11_220.jpg" border="0" alt="Uploaded from the Photobucket Android App"></a>

The machine work on the RP is way better and go father around the open side of the wrench.

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RP close up

<a href="http://s996.photobucket.com/albums/af87/dsmnick99/?action=view&current=2012-07-16_15-31-54_588.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af87/dsmnick99/2012-07-16_15-31-54_588.jpg" border="0" alt="Uploaded from the Photobucket Android App"></a>
China close up
 
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