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Slab heat, pump location question?

overdriv

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I'm in the process of installing my plumbing for my slab heat in my garage. It will be an open system at the same pressure as the city water supply, 52 PSI.

Does the circulation pump have to be below the water level in the water heater?
 
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overdriv

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Is this question to stupid to answer. I didn't mean to stump you guys.:headscrat

I currently have my circuation pump mounted on the wall higher than my water heater.

Just wondering if it should be mounted below the top of the water heater as my inlet and outlet are on the top of the water heater?
 

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I'm no expert, but I would think the pump could cavitate - should air in the system become an issue. For that reason I'd probably try to keep it lower in the circuit.
Just my thoughts..........
 

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It should make no difference where you place the pump since you will have city water pressure at the inlet. I am also contemplating an "open" system, do you plan on using domestic hot water from the system?

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It should make no difference where you place the pump since you will have city water pressure at the inlet. I am also contemplating an "open" system, do you plan on using domestic hot water from the system?

Cheers
Steve

Yes, I will have a sink in the restroom with hot water from the system.

Thanks to all for the replys!
 

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Why are you going with an open system? Most places frown on having you floor system commen with your domestic system. Is there any way you can seperate the 2 systems, maybe use a cheap heat exchanger. Let me tell you from experince, that the water in the floor system can get pretty nasty. I took my closed sustem down for its yearly flushing and I was really suprised how dirty the water was. I wanted no chance at the 2 systems to mix together for that reason alone.

Secondly, if you have an open system, you will be heating your whole slab in the summer just so you can have hot water to your sink. I think if you do some searches in this section you will find all sorts or info. Plan on several hours worth of reading.

You are going to love your floor heat, once you get past the design phase(the most important part).
 

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Most codes do not allow radiant and domestic to us common water. What do you think happens to the water in the loops in the summer when it just sits there for several months.
 
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overdriv

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Most codes do not allow radiant and domestic to us common water. What do you think happens to the water in the loops in the summer when it just sits there for several months.

Thanks for the comments and advice, but, if you knew anything about an open system you would know that every time a hot facet is opened , fresh cold water is added to the floor. Hot water is drawn out of the water heater before the circ pump. If the circ pump doesn't run (summer), no hot water goes to the floor.

It's like this guys, I'm going to try it like this for a year or two and if it works out, all is good. If the water seems to get nasty, I'll convert to a closed system, and get a small point of use water heater for the sink.


Koditten,
The design phase is over for me. I will be putting my system in service this week. I think my system is well thought out and will have a better than average chance of working as planned.

I did read a lot here and other places. I understand about the water quality and germs in water not hot enough to kill them. It will not be a problem to flush the entire floor contents in a weeks time with just the sink. I use my shop a lot.

Actually I have considered just shutting the water heater off after heating season. Don't really need hot water in the summer months. I could flush it a few times during the summer to keep it fresher.

It seems to me the closed systems have a far better chance of going rank than a properly used open system. But I'm certainly not an expert, but I've read what a lot of experts have written.
 
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It's like this guys, I'm going to try it like this for a year or two and if it works out, all is good. If the water seems to get nasty, I'll convert to a closed system, and get a small point of use water heater for the sink.

I'm with you. I think an "open" system will work just fine for the shop, just need hot water to wash up and maybe wash a car or two, no big deal!!! If it was for my domestic system in the house, then I probably wouldn't do it.

Keep us posted on how it works out.

Cheers
Steve
 

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Just had a friend of mine put this floor heat in....Just remember to keep it far enough away from the toilet to keep your wax ring from melting!!
 
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Just had a friend of mine put this floor heat in....Just remember to keep it far enough away from the toilet to keep your wax ring from melting!!

I have no idea how close the tubing is to the toilet. I never thought about that and payed no attention. If it melts, is there a work around??
 

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I have no idea how close the tubing is to the toilet. I never thought about that and payed no attention. If it melts, is there a work around??

They now sell a toilet that doesn't require a wax ring, but you'd have to change the flange and of course and the toilet... as I recall. Wax rings are only good for five years per the box.
 

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but, if you knew anything about an open system you would know that every time a hot facet is opened , fresh cold water is added to the floor. Hot water is drawn out of the water heater before the circ pump. If the circ pump doesn't run (summer), no hot water goes to the floor.

True, I don't know anything about the open system you have. I'm now trying to figure out why you would want cold water to be drawn into the floor when you open a hot water facet? Isn't the point of a floor system to have hot water go thru it?
 

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Mine is a mix, kinda. Mine is connected to the incoming water source but I usually keep the valve closed so the system is closed. When I want/need hot water in the shop I simply open the valve and use whatever hot water I need. System remains pressurized while in use. After I am done, close off the valve. Back to a closed system.

Back to Dkramer's question. I you want to use hot water in the shop why have two hot water systems when you already have one for the floor heat? If you use some of that hot water for something else, it needs to be replaced as you use it or you get air in the system.

It's just handy to have really. I rarely use hot water in the shop but I have it when I need it. Plus it is easy to fill the system when I flush it out.
 
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