Sliding Compound Miter Saw

[JASTECH]

I am wanting to do some woodworking again and do repairs to my house then sale it as fixer-upper.
I have a DeWalt SCMS that is too difficult for me to use as the handle is hard for me to pull down. So I am needing to sale this and buy one that is easier to pull down. I would like it to be the 12" other then easier to pull down.

Thanks, JASTECH

p.s. What can I expect to get out of my DeWalt?

 

[Sparkfarmer]

http://www.boschtools.com/popup/Pages/ProductVideo.aspx?pid=GCM12SD

Sexiest mitre saw on the planet... probably not for you because your not a pro but its still fun to check out.

Cheers

 

[5lima30]

Hitachi and Ridgid make a pretty nice one.

 

[Greatbear]

I second the Bosch GCM12SD. I recently got one (with a free stand and 96T blade) to supplant my old DW705. The DeWalt is fine, but I needed additional capacity and angle cutting options and had been considering one of the sliding saws. As luck would have it, I fell victim to serious spine problems in the past couple years, and put off my purchase. Bosch released their linkage-based saw in that time, so I got that one. I think I would have gotten a bit pissed had I bought a typical rail-based slider and saw that new linkage-based instead.

 

[bushhawg73]

That Bosch saw looks pretty cool. I bet it is pricy though.

 

[JASTECH]

I find the Bosch for 750.00 so far, looked at the Festool FS 120 but can't afford 1300.00. I too have L4 and L5 issue now, plus both shoulders are shot. It has made me change my life so im trying to compisate. I need to get tools that I can use with my handicap.
1) Drill press floor standing w/variable speed.
My DP has the belts that are too hard for me.
2)Table Saw that will hold sheet and not cut my arm off if I slip into blade.
Let contractor saw go free to where it was needed.
3) Sliding Compound Miter Saw easy for me.
Have the DeWalt heavy duty dual SCMS.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[Stuey]

I agree - Bosch's new miter saw is fantastic and effort-free. I posted my impressions of the Bosch axial glide miter saw on TG, along with photos of the pivoting arm. Here's a video of it in action. It's pricey, but a pleasure to operate and extremely effortless. If you order it from a place like Amazon and it doesn't work out, you shouldn't have a difficult time returning it.

Most table saws now have guards that shield you from the blade, but if you're really concerned, take a look at the SawStop. It senses flesh and will retract and brake the blade before it can do any damage. After each blade braking activation, the brake and your blade will both need to be replaced.

I'm not sure about which drill press would be best for your needs, but I believe such a model should exist.

 

[digdug18]

I'd try out the HF unit for size, it got a pretty good rating in this old house magazine, when they did the line up this year. And it is the cheapest of the bunch. Not that many features on it, and half the price of the dewalt is a win win for me.

 

[JASTECH]

I will see if Home Cheepo carries that Bosch Glider. Need to sell my DW 716 first and then some Puma socket sets for enough to buy it.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[JASTECH]

Sorry, one more thing to add my Dad reminded me of. I need a very good saw dust collection because I am on oxygen, so don't want to get all choked up per say. I know, I know but I am still alive and don't want to just sit and fade away in front of my 4 yr. old son. I just need to find a way to do it.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[Stuey]

You may want to look into a dust collector or extractor and an air cleaner. For air cleaner, Jet makes a few nice models, and for dust extractor, there are a lot of models depending on what you want. For occasional use, a Festool portable unit might be best.

 

[JASTECH]

I do like the write up on the Festool Kapex 120 and it's dust extraction system at 90+ %. The CT 36 looks to be the best choice? I see it only comes in a 10" blade, what is the max cut? I couldn't find that spec. or the Horse Power. The Milwaukee has a 3.3 hp motor.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[Greatbear]

Acme Tools is still showing the Bosch for $799 with the GTA3800 stand thrown in for free, the stand by itself is $249 from most sources, and I find it to be a terrific stand even at that price. I think the free blade offer ended last month though, this was another 129 dollar freebie. I was not in a hurry to get a new saw, but with the incentives, it was too good to pass up.

 

[JASTECH]

I have my DW716 on the Rigid stand with extensions and large wheels so that it can be setup verticle and rolled out of way. I think the Rigid is the best IMHO. I have a Freod 80t blade and a DeWalt 68t still in package. My DW 40t blade needs to be sharpened. I emailed Bosch and Fistool asking for the saws to be tested by somebody with my disability. I offered to try and test it for them for awhile. I tell you what, it ***** getting hurt then having to get rid of tools to buy tools that you can manage. I think all I can get for my DeWalt is like 400.00 you think?

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[sscustom]

i have a makita scms the thing kicks ****

 

[theoldwizard1]

Just to keep this thread going, I want to ask a couple more questions. These are all in the context of a non-professional.

1. How important is a 12" blade over a 10" blade ?
2. How important/useful is a slider option ? Would you rather have a 10" slider or a 12" non-slider ?
3. Is there any saw out there under $250 that will give consistently accurate cuts ?

 

[sscustom]

Just to keep this thread going, I want to ask a couple more questions. These are all in the context of a non-professional.

1. How important is a 12" blade over a 10" blade ?
2. How important/useful is a slider option ? Would you rather have a 10" slider or a 12" non-slider ?
3. Is there any saw out there under $250 that will give consistently accurate cuts ?

id go for a sliding anyday theres comes time were you wish you had one to cut a lil bit larger marterial than normal

 

[Stuey]

Just to keep this thread going, I want to ask a couple more questions. These are all in the context of a non-professional.

1. How important is a 12" blade over a 10" blade ?
2. How important/useful is a slider option ? Would you rather have a 10" slider or a 12" non-slider ?
3. Is there any saw out there under $250 that will give consistently accurate cuts ?

12" saw capacity > 10" saw capacity.

Sliding saw capacity > non-sliding saw capacity.

For my purposes, a 10" non-slider suffices. A 12" saw, let alone a 12" sliding saw, would take up too much extra space. If I need extra cutting capacity, I switch to a circular saw.

Under $250, I'm pretty fond of a Dewalt 10" I tested a year ago. It came w/o any accessories, and seems to be built ruggedly and with everything squared up properly and accurate.

 

[dwm]

It's not always true that a 12" saw has more capacity than a 10". It's usually true, but not always true.

For example, the GCM12SD mentioned here has some capacity issues when cutting on the right side or laying the saw over to the right. May or may not be an an issue for you, depending on whether or not you do a lot of crown moulding. The GCM12SD has upsides for JASTECH, obviously (it's smooth and stays that way). Still not sure he'll be comfortable bringing the saw head to the material though. I don't remember how stiffly it's sprung, and obviously I don't know how much effort JASTECH can handle. Mounting it on a lower-than-usual stand would probably help.

JASTECH, I'd probably get the Sawstop table saw first, and do as much of your cutting as you can with it, including things you'd normally cut with a miter saw. Less strain on you, reserve the miter saw for those things that just can't be cut with the table saw.

 

[JASTECH]

dwm, Good idea. I looked up that SawStop table saw and it is perfect for me but I will need to sell more tools as the yard sale I only sold a Craftsman 12ton bottle jack for 10.00. The Makita LS1216L looks nice but im reading that if blade jams the direct drive motor fries. I will need to sell the DeWalt saw and my Puma 3/4, 1/2 and 3/8 impact socket sets to help funds for scms. I really like that SawStop! Great posts, please keep them comming.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[JASTECH]

Stuey, SawStop for 2900.00 that is way out of my range. Need good but safe TS that I can get a sheet on and cut when needed, think cabinet style for dust collection.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[JASTECH]

So maybe first should be a good scms, then a used cabinet TS that will have enough safety items to keep me out of trouble. You are correct on getting some sort of air filter so that I don't inhale a bunch of sawdust. I thought maybe trying to adapt a good resperator with my oxygen? I know a variable speed DP floor standing is in need by me as the belts are too hard to change. Keep the ideas comming please.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[dwm]

I think Stuey was suggesting the SawStop contractor's saw, not the cabinet saw. I haven't used one, but reviews claim it's on par with most quality hybrid saws if you spring for the cast iron wings. Around $1600 street price around here (plus another $280 or so for the cast wings).

 

[JASTECH]

dwm, I would need the wings too. I can make a few adjustable tables to slide plywood across. There was one I had seen in wood magazine with guard and kick back/knife with the shop vacuum hooked up from above. A shop vac kept hooked up to TS would be cheaper then those big systems and do same job?

I went to Home Cheapo and there best SCMS is a 10" Makita, they don't carry the 12". I tried the Makita and it's easier for me. But I would need a 12" Makita. Then my son and I went to Menards and the tool pro guy was trying to sell me their MasterForce scms made poorly.

I need a light and laser for help. I need to get my DeWalt scms sold for money towards new scms, plus I will sell all my new Puma impact socket sets to come up with the rest if anybody out here will buy them.


Stuey, nobody has that Bosch scms your talking about out here. My floor drill press is a Daytona that has 3/4hp motor and runs real good, I just can't get up there and change the speed anymore. I drill metal and wood.

I am trying to get stuff done on the house to sell it and move to TX as the doctors told me to for better health. So the tools are needed badly, so one thing leads to 3 more.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[dwm]

dwm, I would need the wings too. I can make a few adjustable tables to slide plywood across. There was one I had seen in wood magazine with guard and kick back/knife with the shop vacuum hooked up from above. A shop vac kept hooked up to TS would be cheaper then those big systems and do same job?

Since I don't know what you saw in the magazine, I can't say. I can say that the typical inexpensive shop vac gets the big stuff but will exhaust some of the finer stuff (and some of them leak a bit too); most of 'em don't have a HEPA filter or the like. Is it viable to work outdoors? I do most of my sawing at the edge of the attached garage and use a dock fan (18" fan on an articulating arm) and a stack of two other fans on a stand to keep the fine dust out of the garage. My main culprit is the sanders, then the SCMS ( dust collection for it is OK with my ShopVac but not great). Kind of the nature of the beast, I suppose. I have a Festool CT26 on my wish list, but I suspect that's out of your price range.

Here's a thought, which you probably abhor as much as I would... find a way to pay someone else to fix up the current house. If you need to cut and run, time is the critical thing. I've been there, though under different circumstances. I busted my **** prepping the house for sale, but in hindsight I should have just paid someone else to do it or even just taken the hit on selling the house for less. Would've been less stressful and I'd have gotten more precious rest and had more strength to take care of the things that only I could do.

 

[JASTECH]

Correction:.....My DeWalt for sale is not a 716 as that one does not slide. Mine is a Sliding dual bevel miter saw, sorry for error. I do have a brand new DeWalt LED scms light kit that was 62.00 that will go with saw.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[Stuey]

I think Stuey was suggesting the SawStop contractor's saw, not the cabinet saw. I haven't used one, but reviews claim it's on par with most quality hybrid saws if you spring for the cast iron wings. Around $1600 street price around here (plus another $280 or so for the cast wings).

He wanted something safe and mentioned in case he fell into it. Sawstop's the first thing I thought of.

dwm, I would need the wings too. I can make a few adjustable tables to slide plywood across. There was one I had seen in wood magazine with guard and kick back/knife with the shop vacuum hooked up from above. A shop vac kept hooked up to TS would be cheaper then those big systems and do same job?

I went to Home Cheapo and there best SCMS is a 10" Makita, they don't carry the 12". I tried the Makita and it's easier for me. But I would need a 12" Makita. Then my son and I went to Menards and the tool pro guy was trying to sell me their MasterForce scms made poorly.

I need a light and laser for help. I need to get my DeWalt scms sold for money towards new scms, plus I will sell all my new Puma impact socket sets to come up with the rest if anybody out here will buy them.


Stuey, nobody has that Bosch scms your talking about out here. My floor drill press is a Daytona that has 3/4hp motor and runs real good, I just can't get up there and change the speed anymore. I drill metal and wood.

I am trying to get stuff done on the house to sell it and move to TX as the doctors told me to for better health. So the tools are needed badly, so one thing leads to 3 more.

Thanks, JASTECH

If you're convinced about the Bosch axial glide saw, you can order it from Amazon or any number of other distributors.

And if you need to send it back, you can arrange for a UPS pick-up.

 

[Frank The Plumber]

What do you mean it's too hard to pull down? Do you have a disability that inhibits your using the Dewalt?

 

[Jack Palmer]

I have the Festool mitersaw and CT36 dust extractor and it's an excellent combination. More expensive than the compitition but it's German and extremely well designed and made. I build furniture and cabinets for a living and have switched out most of my power tools for Festool because they are desgined to work together as a system with dust extraction a big part of that system

 

[JASTECH]

What do you mean it's too hard to pull down? Do you have a disability that inhibits your using the Dewalt?

Frank, yes I do. The DeWalt requires a higher and harder pull, It also throws out a lot of saw dust missing the pickup and I am on O2.

Yes, that Festool system looks like a nice package for my disability. I have many DeWalt tools that I would have to sell or trade for the Festool like 3 palm sanders, jigsaw, recipicating saw, circular saw, 3/8 var drill, 1/2 var drill and 90 deg. rection drill. It's like getting rid of your kids!

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[Frank The Plumber]

I wonder if you contacted a few manufacturers about this to see if they have any considerations for your situation. It's possible they may have solutions.

 

[JASTECH]

Update, I took the miter saw back to Home Cheapo and they gave me a store credit for ruffly 600.00. So now I have to buy something from HC. I am looking at Makita LS1216L but there are bad reviews on it. I did email Festool and Bosch (Glide) and need to check email for responce. From what you members say the Festool line with CT36 vac would keep me working with wood and not just sitting around fading away!

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[JASTECH]

Was looking at Home Cheapo tool dogalog to narrow down the scms brand and model.
Has anybody used the Hitachi 12" scms with LCD display for miter and bevel?

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[JASTECH]

Sunday I special ordered the Hitachi 12" SCMS.
I have the Rigid stand but am looking at the Port-A-Mate PM7000 with vise, Light and power strip. They have many options for this and other lines of their products.
Has anybody used or are using the PM7000?

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[Tom Hintz]

I have reviews of several different miter saws at the link below. maybe some of the photos or video will be of help for you.
As for the DeWalt, how its worth is a little like how high is high. If its not brand new and shiny most people will say its only worth a few bucks. They are full of it naturally but you will need to hope for a couple honest people to make you a real offer.

Miter Saw Reviews

 

[Stuey]

Sunday I special ordered the Hitachi 12" SCMS.
I have the Rigid stand but am looking at the Port-A-Mate PM7000 with vise, Light and power strip. They have many options for this and other lines of their products.
Has anybody used or are using the PM7000?

Thanks, JASTECH

I'm currently working on reviewing the middle HTC tool stand. While a very nice stand, it's not ideal for quick teardown and storage. To fold it flat you need to remove both workpiece support legs.

 

[shanker]

I picked up a Bosch 12" sliding compound mitre saw off of craigslist for like 150 bux, it was about 3 years old, used heavy but not abused...at the time I thought I paid a bit much...

until I realized that I got a pretty descent deal

 

[JASTECH]

I received email back from Bosch, they only suggest to buy the saw and try it. So, no help from Bosch. I am still waiting for Festool, though thay may not care to help either. Stuey, I will try SawStop and maybe they will assist some how.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[JASTECH]

Here is pics with PortAmate PM7000.

 

[blue dog]

Was looking at Home Cheapo tool dogalog to narrow down the scms brand and model.
Has anybody used the Hitachi 12" scms with LCD display for miter and bevel?

Thanks, JASTECH

I think i have the saw you are referring to. It is a good saw, comfortable to use, smooth motor etc, the only draw back is it is awkward and heavy, not really a saw you want to take from job to job, but in a shop application it would be a great saw. My 12" tipped over in the truck and now i can not get the saw square, the factory repair place is about 45 minutes from me and i have not taken it to be repaired.
I as well have the 10" saw and the original 8 1/2" sliding compound saw, this one is my favorite, 16 years old and works like new, nice and light, compact and can cut everything i need. If it was me, and this saw was still available, i would recommend this one.