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JackOfDiamonds

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I'm on a multi-decade-long search for good DC wire connectors.

I have so many little projects and whenever I need to connect wires, I want to have some kind of standard plug/jack to use. It seems like the only truly universal thing is screw terminals or literally soldering the wires directly. Every time I try to make it convenient by making things connect with plugs, it just ends up I have things where the plugs aren't compatible anyway.

This came up again because I found out that the different wheels I have for my bike have...you guessed it...slightly different wire connectors. It seems like the Taiwanese (SP), Japanese (Shimano), and Germans (Son) couldn't get together and agree on a standard plug for bicycle dynamo hubs. So I can't swap my wheels between bikes without re-wiring a new plug! No problem says I; I'll just make a pigtail on each wheel to a standard plug, then I can swap between bikes that way. But I need to find a standard plug to use. Same problem. Need some kind of small, secure, preferably polarized and water resistant plug to use. If you look in the Digikey catalog, there's 53434 of them to pick from. Isn't there some kind of standard that could be used? Maybe some common de-facto standard from the 3D printing world or RC car world or something?

In the past I used the round barrel plug/jacks, like laptops used to use for the chargers. The problem is these aren't standard either, they have to be matched anyway. So no way to choose among the 300 different types of almost-identical barrel jacks. And they only have 2 connections and aren't water resistant at all.

At one point I decided I would standardize on 0.100" spaced pin headers, like for PCBs. Similar to RC car plugs. You can get nice modular plugs for them, and pre-crimped wires that you can insert, all color coded and everything, and it's a standard! But there's no matching setup for the male side, so the best you can do is hand-solder a PCB header. And it's not waterproof and not polarized.

Once I decided to use 3.5mm audio plugs and jacks. Because at least that's a standard...you can buy plugs and jacks from anywhere, and they will work. They also have 3 or 4 connections, and are polarized! The problem is they melt if you try to run any current through them, and they don't make very good contact which can make some circuits jitter, and they also momentarily short out when you insert them. And they come apart super easy.

It really seems like there should be some kind of common DIN or JIS standard for small DC connectors. Is there not? Just have to pick something up and it's only going to work for that one project?

Maybe insulated spade plugs and jacks are the best I could do for my bike hubs. I would like something a little more waterproof though. I remember when I was a boat mechanic, OMC had this whole kit of waterproof connectors that you could put together whatever connector you needed and they would all interchange at least within the same rough sizes. But that's probably just "another standard" and I don't know where to get those.
 
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BrandonV

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For small projects I like to standardize on Phoenix style connectors. They (Phoenix) offer a lot of options so I'd look at their catalog.

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It really seems like there should be some kind of common DIN or JIS standard for small DC connectors. Is there not? Just have to pick something up and it's only going to work for that one project?

The speed of innovation for these things is so fast that old guys with tools can't keep up; particularly when one is talking about waterproof connectors.

Manufacturing techniques and automation are giving us terminals and connectors with higher precision and performance all the time. This is a competitive area for the manufacturers that make these, so they are not going to make a standard and comoditize their products. (In the end, we benefit with better performance in our cars, trucks, boats, etc.)

IMO - The most important thing for a hobbyist is to pick a family to connectors and manufacturer so one can economize investments in crimping tools. (This is the major expense.)

I use Molex MX150 connectors for my waterproof applications because I have some major equipment built with them. The Deutsch connectors should perform similarly, but I don't have the crimpers, so I fill my bins with Molex.
 

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I found out there's something called "dtp" connectors which look sort of standard. Not really cheap though... I don't want to pay $10 a connection.

Deutsch DT 2-pin Pigtail Kit, 14AWG Pure Copper GPT Wire (Made in USA) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FT8S9Z3/?tag=atomicindus08-20
I've bought a couple sets of these:


Turns out they fit the OEM connectors on my tractor, so that's a plus!
 

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Anderson PowerPoles connectors are widely used in the ham radio hobby. 15A, 30A and 45A sizes. 2 bad things. They use unique crimpers and the plastic shell will break if you step on them while they are on a hard surface.

For years Deans Connectors were widely used in the RC car/plane hobby world. Very small. Very robust. Requires soldering. Many people would cut the proprietary connector off their battery packs and install Deans.

The XT connectors seem to have over taken Deans. 30A, 60A and 90A (!). The best thing about them is you can buy them with pig tails solder on and then just crimp a splice to whatever.
 
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Look at the "XT" series of connectors used in the RC hobby world. They are cheap, super common and available in in a variety of sizes for different currents - XT-30, XT-60 (most common) and XT-90
Anderson PowerPoles connectors are widely used in the ham radio hobby. 15A, 30A and 45A sizes. 2 bad things. They use unique crimpers and the plastic shell will break if you step on them while they are on a hard surface.

For years Deans Connectors were widely used in the RC car/plane hobby world. Very small. Very robust. Requires soldering. Many people would cut the proprietary connector off their battery packs and install Deans.

The XT connectors seem to have over taken Deans. 30A, 60A and 90A (!). The best thing about them is you can buy them with pig tails solder on and then just crimp a splice to whatever.

And in no way are any of these options weather proof like the op desires
 

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Well I mean OP was talking about using 3.5mm barrel jacks. The XT30,60 and 90 connectors while certainly not "waterproof" are splash resistant and would be fine for his intended application (bicycle dynamo to power electrics).

It's not like OP is driving their bike into the ocean.
 

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Well I mean OP was talking about using 3.5mm barrel jacks. The XT30,60 and 90 connectors while certainly not "waterproof" are splash resistant and would be fine for his intended application (bicycle dynamo to power electrics).

It's not like OP is driving their bike into the ocean.
Yes and he wanted something better in water resistance than the 3.5mm barrel jacks. xt30/60/90 have no seals at all on them, or at least none of the ones on my xt60 lipoly rc packs do?

Deutsch connectors, Molex 150's and even the delphi weatherpack connectors have seals not only on the barrel of the connector but at the back where the wires enter.
 

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The XT connectors while not weatheeproof like an automotive connector, are still robust and would easily hold up in the conditions a bicycle will be dealing with. Much more so than a 3.5mm audio jack. It's not like OP will be barelling down a wet, slushy highway covered in brine and rock salt like a car does.

I have not had a problem with XT connectors getting water splashed on them.

OP can decide if they will do what he wants. Simply posting it as an option.
 

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Have you considered Weather Pak? Standardized male and female pins, wide range of connector shells available, weatherproof, and can handle 20 amps.

The biggest drawback to Weather Pak is that they are a bit bulky. OK, more than a bit... And they can get pricey. Best approach is to buy the components in bulk.

Weather Pak is complemented by MetriPak. The MetriPak 280 series connectors can handle 30 amps and are compatible with miniDIN fuses and relays. Fuse/relay boxes like Bussmann 15xxx series are great for power distribution.
 

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Have you considered Weather Pak? Standardized male and female pins, wide range of connector shells available, weatherproof, and can handle 20 amps.
GM Weather Pak is my go-to when I'm doing "real" DC wiring for automotive EFI or any project where I care about connection quality that needs to last for a long time. And yes, I solder and crimp. The down side is that making these takes a while, so they're not ideal for prototypes or anything where you need to move quickly and the work is throw-away.
 

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I have used Weatherpak for years. Standardized in my inventory from back in days of building airboats. Easy to support anywhere in North America decades later.
 

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I use Molex and Weatherpac primarily because those are the two we used at work so I have the tools and misc pieces for both brands
 
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JackOfDiamonds

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I bought a pack of these. They might not fulfill my yearning for a hobbyist-friendly, intercompatible connector "system", but at least they will last me a few projects. Until I run out, can't find the same ones anymore, and have to start the cycle over.




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