Smoke Alarms

[kmacht]

The recent thread on security / break-ins got me thinking about my garage. It is detached but sitting about 5 feet away from the house (walkway in-between). One of my concerns is fire. Right now if there is a fire in the garage and I am in the house, I would never know it until its too late. So, for those with a detached garage, what have you done for fire alarms? I could swear I saw at HD one day a smoke alarm that if it went off, all the other alarms in the house went off as well. The intent was for areas such as the basement where you might not hear the alarm at night while sleeping. I tried searching that type of alarm but have come up empty. I am looking for something battery powered and wireless that will send an alarm to the house when it senses smoke in the garage. Any suggestions?

Keith

 

[Falcon67]

The "one alarm - all alarm" deal is now code for all new houses. Not sure when it went into effect. I think most all of the hard wired detectors can be part of a network.

http://www.homedepot.com/Electrical...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

The Kidde 21006371 is a 120Volt AC powered photoelectric smoke alarm with 9V battery back up. This advanced smoke alarm has the ability to function as a stand-alone unit or in an interconnected system. Advanced photoeclectric sensor may detect visible particles associated with smoldering fires sooner than ionization alarms.


The Kidde i12060 is an AC/DC powered, ionization smoke alarm that operates on a 120V power source with 9V battery backup. This alarm uses ionization sensing technology. Ionization sensing alarms may detect invisible fire particles (associated with flaming fires) sooner than photoelectric alarms. Photoelectric sensing alarms may detect visible particles (associated with smoldering fires) sooner than ionization alarms. The front load battery operation speeds installation and reduces battery replacement time and effort by eliminating the need to remove the alarm from the ceiling.


http://www.homedepot.com/Electrical...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

• One button design (operates Smart Hush and test)
• Interconnectable with up to 24 devices (of which 18 can be initiating) including smoke, CO and heat alarms. See users guide for complete instructions
• Front battery pull tab allows battery activation without removing alarm from mounting bracket.
• Dust Cover protects sensor during construction
• MFG Brand Name : Kidde
• MFG Model # : 21005928
• MFG Part # : 21005928

 

[scooby074]

If you dont want to get into hardwiring an alarm out to the shop from the house, there are wifi enabled ones now.

Around $50

check Kidde,
http://www.kiddecanada.com/utcfs/Templates/Pages/Template-53/0,8062,pageId%3D28537%26siteId%3D463,00.html

 

[A1an]

If you dont want to get into hardwiring an alarm out to the shop from the house, there are wifi enabled ones now.

Around $50

check Kidde,
http://www.kiddecanada.com/utcfs/Templates/Pages/Template-53/0,8062,pageId%3D28537%26siteId%3D463,00.html

Now THAT is f-ing cool. Kind of expensive to have those in every necessary room in the house though.

 

[rasit]

You might also consider using Heat and Rate of Rise sensors instead of smoke detectors in the garage if you plan on doing any welding, running exhaust or partying with heavy smokers ect. These go into alarm mode if there is a rapid rise in the air temp or if it reaches a set temp. (135* or 200*). I know these are available for hardwired system but not so sure in your application.
I picked up a used GE Concord 4 alarm system on CL for $75. Added another $100 in wire and hardware and now have the added benefit of both security and fire alarms that sound a siren in the house.

 

[gatchel]

Smokes in a garage are a false alarm nightmare. Heat detectors (ROR) are the way to go.

 

[Torque1st]

I agree with the last two. Smoke alarms in the garage are a no-no. Use a fixed temp or rate of rise unit.

 

[scooby074]

Now THAT is f-ing cool. Kind of expensive to have those in every necessary room in the house though.

kind of yes, but its only 20-30 more than a hardwire. you wont get an electrician to hook them up for that. more like 2-3 times that.

even if you do it yourself, fishing wires *****. plus the damage to drywall. so its actually "reasonable" for the ease and money savings.

 

[Grumpy365]

smokes in a garage are a false alarm nightmare. Heat detectors (ror) are the way to go.

^^^^ this

 

[kmacht]

Ok, Who makes a wireless heat detector. I don't mind running 110 to it but don't want to have to run a wire from one alarm to another alarm in the house.

Keith

 

[scooby074]

Ok, Who makes a wireless heat detector. I don't mind running 110 to it but don't want to have to run a wire from one alarm to another alarm in the house.

Keith

Do you have a alarm system?
If you do check with your alarm provider.


I know ADT offers a heat detector. pretty sure its wireless, I think its made by Honeywell. might check honeywell's website. I dont know if the HW Wireless heat will interface with the Kidde wireless smoke. Most heat detectors are "dumb" and have no signaling ability.

Heat detectors are great and all, but what your trying to do is starting to cross over into the commercial side of things. Once you get there, you'll find its almost all hardwire.

Not that its particularly hard to integrate a heat detector into a HW system. just hard to get the wires from point A-B.

Some commercial device manufacturers are Edwards and mircom. Those are prob the biggest 2.

 

[rickycobra]

If you dont want to get into hardwiring an alarm out to the shop from the house, there are wifi enabled ones now.

Around $50

check Kidde,
http://www.kiddecanada.com/utcfs/Templates/Pages/Template-53/0,8062,pageId%3D28537%26siteId%3D463,00.html

This scares me because what happens when the internet goes down but the power is still on?

 

[kmacht]

The kidde smoke alarms aren't internet based. They are linked by radio signal. When the alarm goes off, it sends out a signal and causes other alarms within range to pick up that signal and go off as well.

To answer the question above that, no I do not have an alarm system that I can tie into. What I am looking for is exactly like the kidde smoke alarm but functioning as a heat sensor instead.

Keith

 

[scooby074]

The kidde smoke alarms aren't internet based. They are linked by radio signal. When the alarm goes off, it sends out a signal and causes other alarms within range to pick up that signal and go off as well.

To answer the question above that, no I do not have an alarm system that I can tie into. What I am looking for is exactly like the kidde smoke alarm but functioning as a heat sensor instead.

Keith

Keith, i hope you find it as i'd be interested. Same thing as you, a wireless interconnect smoke detector(house) and heat detector (shop) without going thru the cost of hooking up a wireless security system. Basically a self contained "wireless fire alarm" only, system.

It looks like there is no standard. At least with the kidde it will only wirelessly interconnect with the same model. So adding a wireless heat detector from a different company is out.

You'd thing that this would be ONE place where the gov't (or industry) would step in and set a wireless fire alarm interconnection standard

 

[Bustedwheel]

Bringing back an old post, but what is the benefit of hardwired vs non. I have hardwired smoke alarms, and I think they are original to the house (35 years old.) they have been supplemented over the years with battery powered ones and separate CO2 alarms as well. I'd like to replace them with all in one units, and wondering if I should just do battery operated, or use the wiring from the originals. Because there are only 2 hardwired, I'd have to do some battery operated. Any thoughts?