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Smoke Detector wiring ?

Mystic142

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I recently found out that smoke detectors should be replaced every so often.

Since I also recently added a garage, I figured that I would add a new detector to the two in the house and connect them all so that smoke/fire/CO2 in the garage would also set off the whole house. The units that were currently in the house were networkable with one being only 20' from where the garage one will be.

Although I am not an electrician, I am an electronics tech and have worked with stuff up to and including 480 3 ph. I started the project by replacing the two detectors in the house and came across problem 1.

Although the detectors were capable of networking, they were only wired in using 12/2 so although they worked individually, they lacked communication. No problem, I can run 14/3 from detector one to detector two out to the garage.

I removed the first detector and found two sets of wires coming in and assumed that this was just a daisy chained circuit heading elsewhere. I was just going to connect the third set of wires and move on. While de-energizing the circuit, I came across problem 2.

Both sets of wires coming in to the box are live and fed from separate breakers. These wires were connected together and to the detector. I am assuming that in addition to not being safe it is against code. What do I do about this?

The last problem is minor. I opened up the second detector box and the wires are feeding up from the bottom so I will need to drill down from the top with my new wire. What should I do with the two sets of wires that are there that I will no longer be using?
 
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I removed the first detector and found two sets of wires coming in and assumed that this was just a daisy chained circuit heading elsewhere. I was just going to connect the third set of wires and move on. While de-energizing the circuit, I cam across problem 2.

Both sets of wires coming in to the box are live and fed from separate breakers. These wires were connected together and to the detector. I am assuming that in addition to not being safe it is against code. What do I do about this?
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That's a major problem. You need to fix that because someone messed up big time and it is definitely not to code. I guess on one hand, it's lucky that the two breakers feeding that single circuit on on the same buss feeding the same wavelength....but you need to undo that and feed one circuit with one breaker.
 

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I wouldn't put a smoke in the garage, In the garage would be a good place for a Heat Detector. Also wouldn't have a CO detector in the garage. You want alarms for things that don't normally occur in an area, Exhaust from a car WILL set off both smoke and CO dectectors. in a surprisingly small amount at that.
 
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Mystic142

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I wouldn't put a smoke in the garage, In the garage would be a good place for a Heat Detector. Also wouldn't have a CO detector in the garage. You want alarms for things that don't normally occur in an area, Exhaust from a car WILL set off both smoke and CO dectectors. in a surprisingly small amount at that.

Well, I already have it so I will leave it the way it is until it presents a problem. At that point, I will get something different. I mainly need solutions for the other two detectors.
 
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Highbeam

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Fire department made me put "fire alarms" in my 30x60 shop. I put plain ol' smoke detectors out there that are hardwired, interconnected, but NOT battery backup since I want to shut them OFF in the event of a nuisance trip.

I run all kinds of smokey engines in there, saws, mowers, generators, diesel truck while I hook up to trailers and they have never tripped. I heard the rumors of nuisance trips and planned for it but I gotta tell you, it is not a problem. I can get that whole shop stunking with diesel fumes to the point where it will stink for days and no alarm is triggered. Welding too.
 
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Mystic142

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Update - One set of wires is on an outlet circuit and one is on a light circuit. I am planning on sticking with the light circuit and removing the other set of wires.

What is the proper way to remove the cable that goes from the outlet to the smoke detector?

The easy way is to cut both ends and stuff it out into the wall cavity and pretend it never happened. The hard way is to rip the drywall and completely remove it.

Thoughts
 
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