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TractorJeff

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There are two types, Photoelectric and Ionization.
Most reports state Photoelectric are the better of the two.
Local Box Store sells First-Alert only.
Is the Kidde brand better?
I'm looking at replacing 2 in the garage/shop this year.
 
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rlitman

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Better is a relative term. Ionization is more sensitive to whispy smoke, and is more likely to catch things sooner. Photoelectric is less likely to be triggered by false positives, and is more sensitive to sooty smoke (specifically from smoldering stuff).

I would recommend you try to have an ionization detector near your sleeping area (where you want the increased sensitivity), and photoelectric outside of the kitchen. Ionization is more likely to be triggered as a nuisance near a kitchen, fireplace, or bathroom (where steam can also effect ionization detectors).

Both brands are fine. What is more important is getting a FRESH detector. I've seen detectors sit on the box store shelves for YEARS. Since smoke detectors have an expiration (ionization detectors especially) of generally less than 10 years, losing the first two years of that time to a store shelf doesn't make sense.

Last year I replaced the detectors in my house with comparable ones I bought on Amazon. All were dated as having just left the factory. I also purchased a pack of lithium 10 year 9V batteries so there's nothing to change. I could have bought the same detectors with the same batteries installed, but it would have cost more that way.
 

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Usually we recommend about seven to eight years in life expectancy for a detector and pretty much what we see for them.

Like mentioned above, I'd be more worried about location, testing and maintaining good batteries.
 

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Do any of you use them in your detached garages? I'm in the state of wiring before insulating and could tie them together (would have 2 if I do it all). The way I kind of figure it though is if I'm there, I should have a pretty good idea that there's something not right. If I'm not there, I wouldn't hear the alarm anyway.
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I wouldn't use smoke detectors in a garage, where there's probably going to be exhaust smoke, fumes, dust, etc. Use rate-of-rise temperature sensors instead.
 

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I had smoke detector in garage about 2 weeks before tossing it. Alarm sounded every time you strike a arc! Grinder set it off. Too much of a nuisance in a working garage. They should have a on off switch. Have it shut off when lights are on
 

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Which ones are more finicky when it comes to dust and **** like that? I bought a few of the First-Alert combo smoke and CO when I bought my house a year ago. I had my hardwood floors redone a couple weeks into purchasing the house and the company who did the floors failed to remove the detectors. So one of them got dust in it and that was a goner. Now about a month ago another one started beeping. I wasnt sure if the battery was bad but sure enough nope battery was fine detector also toast. Im kinda annoyed about it bc those things are like $50 a pop.

And now recently I was at my girlfriends place and she has the same combo kit and it woke us up a 1:30am. That unit was only a couple months old and it too **** the bed, but this one for no apparent reason whatsoever.

I figured those First-Alert ones were of quality. I can sorta understand the dust at my house but after her's crapping out it makes me question if I should bother buying that type again?
 

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I had smoke detector in garage about 2 weeks before tossing it. Alarm sounded every time you strike a arc! Grinder set it off. Too much of a nuisance in a working garage. They should have a on off switch. Have it shut off when lights are on

That's kind of what I figured. The ROR temp detectors seem interesting....off to research them now. Sorry for the hijack!
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Heat detectors & fire extinguishers for garages & shops or non residential boiler rooms and shops. Fire & CO detectors in each bedroom, at the top of each stairwell. Fire & CO detectors and fire extinguishers for residential boiler rooms. Fire & CO detectors and kitchen fire extinguisher for residential kitchens.

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I "thought" I was told years ago that Nighthawk(?) built better CO Detectors?
I looked at the local box store and First Alert is the only brand they sell. I replaced the Living Room and Kitchen Detectors with Photocells. Next will be to replace the other 3 in the house. Then the CO Detectors last.
 

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I "thought" I was told years ago that Nighthawk(?) built better CO Detectors?
I looked at the local box store and First Alert is the only brand they sell. I replaced the Living Room and Kitchen Detectors with Photocells. Next will be to replace the other 3 in the house. Then the CO Detectors last.

Having a display ona CO detector helps with false trips as you can see an actual reading and not just hear an alarm.

Nighthawks are going to cost more and probably don't sell as well. Things that don't sell well aren't usually kept in stock, people want cheap stuff.

:beer:
 

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Is this going to be on a monitored system or just household members in the house?

We have had several Members here who had garage fires and have written about it.
BlueBomber was one, his member photo is a right taillight from a 59 Chevy (?)

Neighbors saw the fire and reported it. An outside alarm strobe light is part of his system I believe now.

There are others also.
 
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I plan on buying IP-enabled smoke detectors from now on so I can get an email if there's smoke detected.

My server room at work has IP enabled everything. Stuff is good.

At work, we have addressable smoke detectors tied into the fire panel, which controls the pre-action system. That interfaces with the alarm panel, and we get email alerts (as one type of alert) from the central station monitoring.

I suppose you could get away with using IP enabled hardware to avoid paying the central station fees, but that really was not an option for us.
 

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After having too many false alarms, I replaced my ionization smoke alarms with Gentex photoelectric. They have a sensitivity test knob that tests for too sensitive or not sensitive enough. They aren't stocked in stores; I ordered mine from homedepot.com. They cost more than the cheap alarms, but I think it's worth it. At least last year they were still assembled in USA.
 

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I had came to know that Ionization smoke alarms are generally more responsive to flaming fires whereas photoelectric smoke alarms are generally more responsive to fires that begin with a long period of smoldering. That is why last week on recommendation of my friend I had installed photoelectric smoke alarms by taking help from electricians Media PA, where this alarm aim a light source into a sensing chamber at an angle away from the sensor and then the Smoke enters the chamber, reflecting light onto the light sensor and then it triggered the alarm.
 
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There are 'rate of rise' detectors that are recommended for garages.....Not as much a 'smoke' detector as a fire detector.....X degree rise in X seconds/minutes sets it off....
 

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Photo work best for smoky fires.
Ionization work best for flaming fires.
Neither typically work well in cold temperatures.
Rate of rise heat detector will work.
 

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You can also get 'combo' units which contain both type of detectors. As well as a CO detector circuit in the same housing (a multi-combo unit).

AFAIK, all of the 'recent' detectors have a built-in end-of-life timer circuit. When the time is up, the unit beeps and is also no longer functional!

The life span of the detectors ranges from 5-7 years to 10 years, again it is built into the units now.
 

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What is more important is getting a FRESH detector. I've seen detectors sit on the box store shelves for YEARS. Since smoke detectors have an expiration (ionization detectors especially) of generally less than 10 years, losing the first two years of that time to a store shelf doesn't make sense.

I am finding the big box is often the best source for mediocre quality products. I like to shop where the trade does. ( Except after 5:00 and on the weekends . I'm only human.)
 

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Why do the low battery chirps always go off between 1-4 am?��

For the same reason people wait till 11pm to call us when their CO detector has been going off all day. Their reasoning, they didn't want to got to bed with it going off....People, people, people, (in my best Drago voice) CO doesn't matter if you're awake or sleeping.
 

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For the same reason people wait till 11pm to call us when their CO detector has been going off all day. Their reasoning, they didn't want to got to bed with it going off....People, people, people, (in my best Drago voice) CO doesn't matter if you're awake or sleeping.

But... I had the window open all day... now I want to close the window... and I might die... :evil:
 

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You can also get 'combo' units which contain both type of detectors. As well as a CO detector circuit in the same housing (a multi-combo unit).

AFAIK, all of the 'recent' detectors have a built-in end-of-life timer circuit. When the time is up, the unit beeps and is also no longer functional!

The life span of the detectors ranges from 5-7 years to 10 years, again it is built into the units now.

Hell, thats better than the razor and light bulb model. My favorite building materials are steel and concrete. They don't burn so good. If I try not to bring in the good burning ****, I am golden. I have detectors in the house. That's how I know the wife and kids are cooking.
 
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