Smokehouse display for firefighting.
- Thread starter akdiesel
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Had to modify the smoker to eliminate condensates building up in the hose so I we made a knockout drum after the smoker.
The house fills with smoke quickly and we can put smoke in every room. The windows have Velcro so they can be removed for additional venting. We also use a shop vac for positive or negative venting through a door or window.
The house fills with smoke quickly and we can put smoke in every room. The windows have Velcro so they can be removed for additional venting. We also use a shop vac for positive or negative venting through a door or window.
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Jay_mc1
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That is really cool. Could you take a video or pics of it in action. I would really like to steal your idea for training some new guys at my department. I like how you repurposed the old tank.
That's pretty damn neat, I like it.
I think you might be on to something, somebody like MSA,Scott or Bullard might use that to build training displays.
I think you might be on to something, somebody like MSA,Scott or Bullard might use that to build training displays.
hedtedjr
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That's a really cool idea. Might have to steal it and do some benchtop training this winter.
OldTC
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Now you need twenty little fire-fighter action figures to stand in the doorways and hallways during overhaul to simulate those Engine monkeys impeding the Truckies efforts to ventilate the damned thing!
On a serious note.....that's very impressive! Nice work!
On a serious note.....that's very impressive! Nice work!
machine_punk
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Great idea...quick and inexpensive way to let people try a lot of options. I don't really see it, but I assume there is a plexiglass top on it.
Kev
Kev
Now you need twenty little fire-fighter action figures to stand in the doorways and hallways during overhaul to simulate those Engine monkeys impeding the Truckies efforts to ventilate the damned thing!
LMAO
Lumpy102
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we've had a guy in from Niagara Falls (ON) demonstrating Positive Pressure Attack with a similar set-up, he built his with cement board and wired safety glass, uses a combination of hay and straw to fire things up and a blow dryer for ventilation. Works really well and he has managed to convert most of our non-believers. he's actually pushed flames out the window he's venting thru, its a pretty awesome display.
Thanks for the words. We used it today for a class and it works very well with doors closed and simulating breaking out a window with a shop vac as your fan. We use the smoke on momentary and it smokes it up quickly. We also had to switch out the 3/4" hose for a shop vac hose. This allows for a faster engulf and less moisture in the model.
jay_mc1
I have video and I will work on getting it onto Youtube with a link on here.
machine_punk
It has a plexiglass top and windows with velcro to remove quickly.
lumpy102
That a great idea for a real live fire scene but able to be viewed easily by all on all corners.
jay_mc1
I have video and I will work on getting it onto Youtube with a link on here.
machine_punk
It has a plexiglass top and windows with velcro to remove quickly.
lumpy102
That a great idea for a real live fire scene but able to be viewed easily by all on all corners.
64Trvlr
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Now you need twenty little fire-fighter action figures to stand in the doorways and hallways during overhaul to simulate those Engine monkeys impeding the Truckies efforts to ventilate the damned thing!
"Engine monkeys"?
OldTC
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Sorry man,...all in fun.They always told me; "You can train a monkey to squirt water."
But what do I know,...I spent 25 years on the ladder.CARS
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Very nice! Subscribed and waiting on the video link!!!
btw.... you guys have specific duties???
Our little dept goes like this. First guy jumps in the drivers seat of the main engine, second guy in the passenger seat, third guy jumps in the water truck (ya... think I have hooked to a hydrant once in 10 years), rest of the guys pile in the equipment truck as they show up to the station. Any stragglers who show up late grab any left over trucks or just drive their personal vehicle.
Even the guy in the white hat pulls hose
btw.... you guys have specific duties???
Our little dept goes like this. First guy jumps in the drivers seat of the main engine, second guy in the passenger seat, third guy jumps in the water truck (ya... think I have hooked to a hydrant once in 10 years), rest of the guys pile in the equipment truck as they show up to the station. Any stragglers who show up late grab any left over trucks or just drive their personal vehicle.
Even the guy in the white hat pulls hose
MoparTrucks
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You just described our department!Very nice! Subscribed and waiting on the video link!!!
btw.... you guys have specific duties???
Our little dept goes like this. First guy jumps in the drivers seat of the main engine, second guy in the passenger seat, third guy jumps in the water truck (ya... think I have hooked to a hydrant once in 10 years), rest of the guys pile in the equipment truck as they show up to the station. Any stragglers who show up late grab any left over trucks or just drive their personal vehicle.
Even the guy in the white hat pulls hose
Very good idea AKDiesel and I too will have to borrow this idea. Do you have segments in the roof that can be opened to show effects of various ventilating as well? Ventilation its hard to get across without visually seeing it and the first thing so many people want to do is bust out every window, open the all the doors and squirt water where the smoke and flames are coming out. We are beyond a low budget department and ideas like this really help out and I can only wonder why none of us (in my department) thought of something like this ourselves.
ncfireman1918
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I'm with all the other hose draggers around here. That's BADASS! I'm gonna have to look at stealing that idea too...
64Trvlr
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They always told me; "You can train a monkey to squirt water."
Yup, I'm still laughing...
<---- VFD Engineer
Update to the smoke house display.
Barb Ken got a little tipsy and fooled around so they had to remodel the house for their growing family.
We added a second story with an attic. The upper section can be removed for a single story style house as well. Various locations for smoke to be injected and vent locations including the attic. We added a staircase in the front area.
We tested it last night as a two story house with a fire in the kitchen. Smoke went into the front room and continued to enter the rest of the house. It also billowed out the the eves as well as the second story floor joists like the newer glued prefabed homes.
We have video of both styles of homes and I will get them on the net tonight.
Barb Ken got a little tipsy and fooled around so they had to remodel the house for their growing family.
We added a second story with an attic. The upper section can be removed for a single story style house as well. Various locations for smoke to be injected and vent locations including the attic. We added a staircase in the front area.
We tested it last night as a two story house with a fire in the kitchen. Smoke went into the front room and continued to enter the rest of the house. It also billowed out the the eves as well as the second story floor joists like the newer glued prefabed homes.
We have video of both styles of homes and I will get them on the net tonight.
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BMW Rider
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Appears to be more than a few firefighters on this site.
Nice training tool you've built. It's always hard to do live fire training to practice and demo ventilation, that will be a huge asset in teaching good ventilation practices.
Lastly, monkeys are climbers, they climb things like ladders; apes are the ground dwellers
(I'm an engine guy)
Nice training tool you've built. It's always hard to do live fire training to practice and demo ventilation, that will be a huge asset in teaching good ventilation practices.
Lastly, monkeys are climbers, they climb things like ladders; apes are the ground dwellers
(I'm an engine guy)dmsween
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akdiesel,
This is an awesome display! Can't wait to see the youtube video.
Our Dept is mostly hydrant so no tankers but the 2 trucks have pretty much everything, 1000 gallon tank, enough hose to lay in, ladders and rescue equip.
This is an awesome display! Can't wait to see the youtube video.
Our Dept is mostly hydrant so no tankers but the 2 trucks have pretty much everything, 1000 gallon tank, enough hose to lay in, ladders and rescue equip.
Nice display! That would be great for discussion during those cold winter training sessions.
I'll throw in my .02 regarding positive pressure attack. If you're blowing flames out the window with the fan you may want to think twice about being inside the structure. If that fan dies, you die....
Don't get me wrong, it has it's place, but you really have to be careful and have extra eyes watching the fire conditions. Risk a lot to save a lot; don't risk anything if it's already lost.
I'm starting to sound like an old fuddy-duddy.
I'll throw in my .02 regarding positive pressure attack. If you're blowing flames out the window with the fan you may want to think twice about being inside the structure. If that fan dies, you die....
Don't get me wrong, it has it's place, but you really have to be careful and have extra eyes watching the fire conditions. Risk a lot to save a lot; don't risk anything if it's already lost.
I'm starting to sound like an old fuddy-duddy.
I like the 2nd story addition. Let us know when the video hits Youtube.
OldTC
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It never ceased to amaze me the vast differences in opinions of positive pressure ventilation.
We used on every fire. Either during attack with a hole cut in the roof and the ceilings pushed down, or at the very least during overhaul with horizontal and/or vertical ventilation.
But I've heard guys up north warning of ***-kickings for firing up a fan while they're inside.
We used on every fire. Either during attack with a hole cut in the roof and the ceilings pushed down, or at the very least during overhaul with horizontal and/or vertical ventilation.
But I've heard guys up north warning of ***-kickings for firing up a fan while they're inside.
BMW Rider
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We use PPV a lot too, but one rule never to be violated is that the ventilation profile must not be altered with crews inside and must be co-ordinated with the interior crews. The effects can be dramatic and undesireable for interior crews when positive pressure ventilation is stopped, started or altered.
If the vent profile must be changed, interior crews are withdrawn, the ventilation altered, and then interior work can resume. If anyone changed my vent profile while I was in there with my crew, I guarantee, assuming I come out alive, their *** will be kicked. 
If anyone changed my vent profile while I was in there with my crew, I guarantee, assuming I come out alive, their *** will be kicked.
Agreed 100%
stinkity stoink
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Now you need twenty little fire-fighter action figures to stand in the doorways and hallways during overhaul to simulate those Engine monkeys impeding the Truckies efforts to ventilate the damned thing!
On a serious note.....that's very impressive! Nice work!
We all know truckies are just firemens Hellers. Lol
Nice job
stinkity stoink
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Sorry Helpers. Lol
On the vent note ,where I am we never turn on any mechanical ventilation till the fire is pretty much under control. We have mostly attached row frames and if we put ppv in a doorway we don't like the chances of it spreading a fire through a common cockloft. We usually depend on horizontal and vertical vent without fans.
On the vent note ,where I am we never turn on any mechanical ventilation till the fire is pretty much under control. We have mostly attached row frames and if we put ppv in a doorway we don't like the chances of it spreading a fire through a common cockloft. We usually depend on horizontal and vertical vent without fans.
64Trvlr
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BMW Rider
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We sometimes use positive pressurization in exposures to prevent just that sort of spread. The main difference is that you pressurize the exposed occupancy with the fan but don't create an outlet. You do need to ensure the attic or cockloft is opened to allow it to pressurize too. The higher pressure in the exposure will slow/prevent the smoke and fire from spreading into it.
I watched the video and plan to show it to others at work too, Great job.
BMW Rider
Thank you. This thread has generated an engineer and grunt debate lol.
The smoke house video is somewhat difficult to see due to the bad camera and plexiglass glare but it does work very well in how to read smoke travel and venting techniques. One little draw back is the heat transfer. Since it is cold smoke the smoke stays low but you still get a good understanding and training prop.
Thank you. This thread has generated an engineer and grunt debate lol.
The smoke house video is somewhat difficult to see due to the bad camera and plexiglass glare but it does work very well in how to read smoke travel and venting techniques. One little draw back is the heat transfer. Since it is cold smoke the smoke stays low but you still get a good understanding and training prop.
64Trvlr
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Built a similar unit also...what kind of pipe/hose do you use between the smoker and the drum? Tried a vac hose only to have it melted...