Snap On 100 tooth ratchets?

[kwhitelaw]

Are they shipping yet? Anyone got any real world pics? My Snap On guy called me last night and I guess had his hands on one. Not sure if he is stocking them yet or if he just saw one at his monthly meeting....

If you do have one, what was the damage on that thing?

 

[billymade]

I talked to my dealer within the past two weeks; hadn't gotten any yet!

 

[kwhitelaw]

Should be picking up mine this evening if I can get to him. Said its 115, not sure if that's a good price or retail....

 

[chadster1]

I have heard about them but not seen them yet.

 

[fatfillup]

Wonder what the next tooth count will be?

 

[MotoDave]

101

I have to say there was a big difference going from Craftsman 36 tooth ratchets to my Snap-On Dual 80's, but I'm not sure the gains are very significant past that.

 

[snapmom]

They have to have new product, its a sales thing. So they always bring out a NEW twist in rats, new type handles, heads that are loopie, handles that are loopie, more teeths, maybe the next thing will be a torque mulitipler in a 3/8 head, (that would help all us old folks)

 

[chadster1]

They have to have new product, its a sales thing.

Why do you think they change the screwdriver handles.

 

[gravygrabber]

Those new screwdriver handles ****. I'm glad they are making the older plastic ones again.

 

[supraman1990]

I'm probably going to order one next week. Apparently it wasn't a big announcement within snapon on it, as I asked my snapon guy n campus about it, and he happens to be the district manager for a chunk of NC, and he hadn't heard anything of it.

 

[Diesel_Crawler]

My dealer did not even know till I told him about them.

 

[BackTracker]

good lord....100 teeth

I was playing with my 88t matco last night and it takes virtually no movement to engage the next tooth...in fact there's more slop i the socket and the squaredrive than there is in the next tooth engagement. I think they need to stop adding teeth until thye eliminate the slop. I mean theoretically I can engage the next tooth in what, 4.5 degrees or so but if I were to actually try and turn the ratchet 4.5 degrees all I get is slop between the square drive and the socket. It takes some 7-10 degrees just to move the ratchet enough that I can turn the bolt. I dunno...it all seems like the law of diminishing returns has hit the endgame on the number of teeth in a ratchet.

 

[justinmc]

Those new screwdriver handles ****. I'm glad they are making the older plastic ones again.

Did I miss something? My understanding is S/O corporate confirmed there were not any plans to reissue the old plastic style handles again.

PS.. 100 teeth? Guess they just have to have something over the Matco/etc guys who are now producing 72 and 88 tooth versions that compete with the 80 tooth S/O's

 

[Wood]

I mean theoretically I can engage the next tooth in what, 4.5 degrees or so but if I were to actually try and turn the ratchet 4.5 degrees all I get is slop between the square drive and the socket. It takes some 7-10 degrees just to move the ratchet enough that I can turn the bolt. I dunno...it all seems like the law of diminishing returns has hit the endgame on the number of teeth in a ratchet.

The degrees of rotation needed to take up the slop and the degrees of rotation needed to engage the next tooth are additive. So if you have 4 degrees of slop (which is about what your example indicates) and a 36 tooth ratchet, then you need 14 degrees or movement to be able to work. If you have a 72 tooth ratchet, it would be 9 degrees of movement. With an 88 tooth, it would be 8.5, etc.

I see what you're saying about diminishing returns, but don't forget that these are ratchets that are 3 or 4 times the price of other good quality tools like Toptul. The people who are buying these at full price are already pretty committed to spending a lot of $$ chasing diminishing returns.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

I get by with 36 tooth ratchets and swearing.

 

[boro_boy70]

I can't wait for the new ratchets to come out. Then us cheap folks will be able to pick up a used 80 tooth from all the guys buying new 100 tooth ratchets.

 

[Diesel-Mech]

I can't wait for the new ratchets to come out. Then us cheap folks will be able to pick up a used 80 tooth from all the guys buying new 100 tooth ratchets.

I don't think that would be the case, I would not trade in my pear head ratchets for round heads.

 

[Merkava_4]

For guys wondering what's going on, the new 100 tooth ratchets are going to be round heads; they're not replacing the 80 tooth tear drops.

 

[pjcforpres2020]

I don't get it, what is it with the tooth wars? Why not spend all that time trying to bring prices down, or make a stronger and smaller head design, or a real innovation of sorts?

100 teeth just sond's like a bunch of extra teeth waiting to wear out or break.

 

[GSteg]

Horsepower sells...

The tooth war isn't any different.

 

[kwhitelaw]

Just picked it up....seems nice. The casting seems alittle rough on the handle where the 2 pieces split and run up each side of the head....said they only had 1 at the monthly meeting and he snatched it for me, wasn't even loaded into the computer yet..

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Pics! Pics!

 

[kwhitelaw]

I knew that was coming lol......I'll try to get a pic up tonite.

 

[scottmlew]

For guys wondering what's going on, the new 100 tooth ratchets are going to be round heads; they're not replacing the 80 tooth tear drops.

Any theories as to why they're keeping both designs?

 

[walrus]

Any theories as to why they're keeping both designs?

Because people who are obessed with tools will buy them if they are different

 

[Rusty Kustoms]

I tracked down a snap on guy last friday, he had about a doezen of them and he was trying to talk me into one for $95 cash. I passed and got a 1/4' ratchet and a ratcheting screwdriver. I did have time to play around with it and I will say that there is not much difference between the 100 and 80 tooth.

 

[kwhitelaw]

I agree, there didn't seem to be much difference from the 80tooth. Audibly I could tell, but it mas minute.

I haven't paid for it yet and am hoping I won't have to as I'm doing some work on my snap on guys truck for him, so that being the case, I'll gladly keep my 80tooth's and this 100tooth.

 

[wreckercologist]

Any theories as to why they're keeping both designs?

Because "roto ratchets" are the cats a$$!

 

[gofastman]

Any theories as to why they're keeping both designs?

Because "roto ratchets" are the cats a$$!

I guessing the dual 80's are much stronger

 

[wreckercologist]

I guessing the dual 80's are much stronger

I would tend to agree with you on that. After 10+ rebuilds on my old roto ratchet, all of the teeth broached inside the head were worn out. I got a new one!

The 80's are great and I love all six of mine equally, but the roto ratchets are very handy it tight spots.

 

[autoace]

Why do you think they change the screwdriver handles.

Changing something does not make it better. Matco, Snap-on, MAC, are replacing quality with fluff/bling.

I would rather buy the older hard handles SO ratchets and drivers, etc.....than any of the new stuff.

Cornwell still sells most of its original hardline without the fluff, hence my patronage.

They can change all they want, but I won't buy most of it. They should keep a "classic" line instead of all the China Blue Point B.S..................

 

[WVU Tuba Dale]

good lord....100 teeth

I was playing with my 88t matco last night and it takes virtually no movement to engage the next tooth...in fact there's more slop i the socket and the squaredrive than there is in the next tooth engagement. I think they need to stop adding teeth until thye eliminate the slop. I mean theoretically I can engage the next tooth in what, 4.5 degrees or so but if I were to actually try and turn the ratchet 4.5 degrees all I get is slop between the square drive and the socket. It takes some 7-10 degrees just to move the ratchet enough that I can turn the bolt. I dunno...it all seems like the law of diminishing returns has hit the endgame on the number of teeth in a ratchet.

If they make ratchets with enough teeth, they should turn themselves, no?

 

[Merkava_4]

Changing something does not make it better. Matco, Snap-on, MAC, are replacing quality with fluff/bling.

I would rather buy the older hard handles SO ratchets and drivers, etc.....than any of the new stuff.

Cornwell still sells most of its original hardline without the fluff, hence my patronage.

They can change all they want, but I won't buy most of it. They should keep a "classic" line instead of all the China Blue Point B.S..................

I agree with autoace 100% ... theres no need to be changing the design of tools all the time just for the sake of having something new out there. I've never tried any Instinct screwdrivers yet, but I don't see anything wrong with the previous design. Snap-on needs to stay with what's proven, and those previous hard handle ergonomic screwdrivers were superb.

 

[BackTracker]

on the otherhand, you would be killing innovation. At one point those plastic hard handles were something new weren't they.

 

[nissan_crawler]

I don't think that would be the case, I would not trade in my pear head ratchets for round heads.

I would, in a heartbeat. I'll be hitting up the snappy truck tomorrow night. Now, get me one with a green comfort grip handle on it...I won't be able to resist.

 

[Merkava_4]

On the other hand, you would be killing innovation. At one point those plastic hard handles were something new weren't they?

The hard plastic ergo handle were made out of Tenite plastic; a big step up from the handle they replaced that was a different type plastic which got brittle and fell apart with age.

When you have a product that's perfect, please leave it alone, is my message to Snap-on.

 

[BackTracker]

That would be in the eye of the beholder I believe. Perfection may be different for one person than another, wouldn't you say. It may even be a bit egotistical to shun one persons idea of what that might entail simply because you have found what you feel to be "perfection"

 

[Merkava_4]

That would be in the eye of the beholder I believe. Perfection may be different for one person than another, wouldn't you say. It may even be a bit egotistical to shun one persons idea of what that might entail simply because you have found what you feel to be "perfection"

Have you had a previous generation SO hard plastic handle screwdriver in your hand or not?

 

[BackTracker]

How is that in any way relevant to the fact that opinions are subjective.

 

[Merkava_4]

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There are a lot of guys on this board that wish SO would bring back the Tenite ergo hard handles. You sir, need to get with the program.