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TheToolMan

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I have a large collection of both style of handles. I like to use the instincts better. But i think the old hard handles "Look" better
 

gofastman

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I have both too. I prefer the Instincts.

I hate to say it but I am kinda liking the instincts. I am using the hard handles less and less.

blasphemy! heresy! :shocking:
To each his own I guess. I love hard handles, they fit my hand very well and are easier to clean. I could see why some would like the softies though, I just dont need any cushoning if there is more surface area,whick is the case with the old school hard design.
 

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I prefer the old hard handles, I might be young but I've used them and were the best screwdriver I've ever used, and I HATE bad screwdrivers, sadly I own some. I like the cornwell screwdrivers, resemble the old hard handle
 

JWink

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I would like to see a pic. Are they on the site yet? I didn't look. I should tho.

And to everyone who likes the new handles better feel free to send your old hard handles to those of us who like them better. We won't complaine at all.
 
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kwhitelaw

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The guy that said he has one I'm calling B.S. without a pic ;) lol

LOL forgot about this...

here it is hanging out with his friends..

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hard to read, but p/n is FHFN100

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LGMechanical

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I dont like the hard handle SO screwdrivers. My hands are big so I prefer the instinct handles anyday. Those plastic handles feel so tiny in my hand.
 

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The degrees of rotation needed to take up the slop and the degrees of rotation needed to engage the next tooth are additive. So if you have 4 degrees of slop (which is about what your example indicates) and a 36 tooth ratchet, then you need 14 degrees or movement to be able to work. If you have a 72 tooth ratchet, it would be 9 degrees of movement. With an 88 tooth, it would be 8.5, etc.

I see what you're saying about diminishing returns, but don't forget that these are ratchets that are 3 or 4 times the price of other good quality tools like Toptul. The people who are buying these at full price are already pretty committed to spending a lot of $$ chasing diminishing returns.

Why does TOPTUL have to be brought into every thread. Who cares about TOPTUL? TOPTUL is an also-ran! With all the manufacturers out there, with the multiple banners they sell their products under (Snap-on, Williams, Bahco; Matco, Allan, K-D, Craftsman; etc.) why does someone on this messageboard keep bringing up a foreigh also-ran??? So they're an advertiser on here. So a US distributor contributes on the board. It's all marketing. Sales. Dollars... into someone's personal bank account...... and for the ultimate result of diluting the tool market. Same goes for harbor freight.
 
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kwhitelaw

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The degrees of rotation needed to take up the slop and the degrees of rotation needed to engage the next tooth are additive. So if you have 4 degrees of slop (which is about what your example indicates) and a 36 tooth ratchet, then you need 14 degrees or movement to be able to work. If you have a 72 tooth ratchet, it would be 9 degrees of movement. With an 88 tooth, it would be 8.5, etc.
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my dealer told me 3.6 degrees on this 100 tooth. havent used it yet so cant really say. went from SO truck to the toolbox.
 

Bart Simpson

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Snappy has always continuously strived to update there products and have the best most innovative stuff out there.

I don't think they are going to change there business model because some of us are fond of older screwdriver handles.

They did lots of testing and talking to techs to see how to improve them.
If you don't like the instinct soft grips they have instinct hard handles .

The old handles are supposed to be available for replacement so we should be ok.

I understand the old adage " if it aint broke don't fix it " but they try to improve things with input from techs.

I would hate to be using a Commodore 64 now just because it still "works".

I have tons of ratchets and a bunch of dual 80's......... But I will admit I often reach for my old Snappy black handled ratchet first even though it only has 20 teeth.
Old habits die hard....and the amount of teeth doesn't particularly matter if your not in a confined area anyway.

The new ratchets are very nice and I am glad they made them but like everyone that gets set in there ways I do kind of wish there was an option for the old screwdriver handles on them.

This will probably go away with time and who knows some day people may be complaining why did they get rid of the comfort grips and come out with .........

As far as the ratchets go, Snappy has always kept updating there ratchets with more teeth and that is progress and innovation.
I don't see it as changing things just for the sake of change.

Many of there competition still sells 20, 30, and 36 tooth ratchets.

I am sure once the people that finished redesigning the pear shaped ratchet were done on the Dual 80 they put them right to work on the round heads.
These things take quite a bit of time to R&D, prototype,test ,etc ,etc. before they are ever ready to put into production.

Common sense will tell you these 100 teeth round heads are certainly not in response to the Matco 88's which just came out recently as they take a long time to engineer, test, etc.

There is no ratchet teeth war ,it is standard operating procedure for Snappy to update there ratchets every so often.

After Snappy came out with the Dual 80's a few years ago Matco must of decided they better make a high tooth count ratchet to be competitive and there 88 just recently came out.

Now that Snappy has these 100 tooth round heads maybe in a few years we will see a 108 from Matco.

I see that Matco is just now selling there indexing head ratchet.

Snap On had that available in Blue Point and Snap On round head versions and even a Snappy pear head as well many years ago.
They have been long discontinued now and last appeared in catalog 700 in 2003.

My point is this, Snap on is often the innovator and the others the imitators.
That is why they have so many patents........and customers.

It is interesting to see the changes in tool business now that MAC and Matco are now owned by big conglomerates.
With all these resources behind them they should be able to bring more innovative tools to market.

Snappy still has more dealers than all the others combined.

I remember Snappy put out the results of comparison tool box testing years ago and some of the others used the Snappy data to try to fix the flaws in there boxes.
Nothing like having Snappy do your research and testing for you.

I think it is great that Snappy is making new and better tools and not resting on there laurels.
I also think it is great that the others companies are coming up with newer and better tools and especially when there made here in the USA !

BTW the biggest amount of play or "slop" will generally not be in the drive to socket area.
Now some people like to use there chrome sockets with an impact and then they get all beat up so there will be some more "slop" there then.
Most of the play will be between the socket and the bolt.....but it all ads up.
 
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06wt

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so has anyone found them on the snap-on web site. i actualy have an older verision of this ratchet that keeps sliping even after a new center section was installed. looks like theres a 100 tooth in my near future

nevermind i found it
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Comfort Handle Ratchets
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for all of you that are still looking
 
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mrshaun

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I was told yesterday week 47 of this year... so not too much longer.
This ratchet takes the place of the fh747...
they will be about 115 when they come out.
 

mrshaun

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Just keep your ratchet and see if your dealer would swap it for the newer version. I sold all of the fh747 just so I can have fresh stock of the new ones. I have 6 coming soon
they are sold out already on one of our websites individually and in 6 packs... glad I ordered them...

more info on the ratchet
Our FHNF100 will handle up to 250 ft pounds, and has 3.6 degree of swing arc
 
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