Snap On 5acp No longer available?

[scooby074]

Is the SO 5ACP mini pliers no longer available? Tried searching the SO website and it keeps going to the 5CF.

I gather the 5cf is the replacement, but from the looks of it the handles are quite a bit more bowed than the ACP.

Im wanting it for removing stripped screws like on a carb float bowl or engine case etc, so the smaller handles might be a benefit?

Wonder what the 5" Vampliers would be like for the same job?

 

[6PTsocket]

Is the SO 5ACP mini pliers no longer available? Tried searching the SO website and it keeps going to the 5CF.

I gather the 5cf is the replacement, but from the looks of it the handles are quite a bit more bowed than the ACP.

Im wanting it for removing stripped screws like on a carb float bowl or engine case etc, so the smaller handles might be a benefit?

Wonder what the 5" Vampliers would be like for the same job?

The 7" went through the same thing ACP, BCP, and now ACF, which looks a lot different

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[scooby074]

The 7" went through the same thing ACP, BCP, and now ACF, which looks a lot different

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I guess thats progress? Gotta keep changing a good thing

It looks like the jaws are the same between the 5ACP and the 5CF at least.

 

[Wamsutta]

From the pictures on the internet, the 5ACP look like serrated side cutters.

 

[scooby074]

5ACP. Pocket screwdriver for scale.



5CF

 

[Honda guy]

Scooby, you are correct. The 5CF is the replacement for the 5ACP. We call them "Mighty Mouse pliers" at work. They're perfect for removing stuck carb bowl screws and they grip better than vice grips! Very impressive little tool! Everyone that's tried mine has bought a pair for themselves.

I've found that they work equally well. One difference; when stressed to their limits, the 5ACP handles would bend, whereas the 5CF jaws snap.

 

[Wamsutta]

For your intended purpose, I think the 612AEP would be an excellent replacement. They're called "nose pliers," but they're really not. They have two serrated pipe grip jaws running perpendicular to each other. For grabbing small screw heads that have stripped out screwdriver slots, nothing is better.

 

[scooby074]

Scooby, you are correct. The 5CF is the replacement for the 5ACP. We call them "Mighty Mouse pliers" at work. They're perfect for removing stuck carb bowl screws and they grip better than vice grips! Very impressive little tool! Everyone that's tried mine has bought a pair for themselves.

I've found that they work equally well. One difference; when stressed to their limits, the 5ACP handles would bend, whereas the 5CF jaws snap.

Good to know they work as intended. Would you say you get more pressure on the screws with the 5cf's handles (why you can break the jaws) or is it lesser quality in the new versions?

 

[scooby074]

For your intended purpose, I think the 612AEP would be an excellent replacement. They're called "nose pliers," but they're really not. They have two serrated pipe grip jaws running perpendicular to each other. For grabbing small screw heads that have stripped out screwdriver slots, nothing is better.

Cool pliers. They have Vamplier like jaws for sure. I think they are too large (long and fat jaws) plus youd get a bit of flex due to the long handles and lose some squeeze on the screws? Not sure. Dont think Ive ever seen the 612aep ones before in person .

 

[Honda guy]

Good to know they work as intended. Would you say you get more pressure on the screws with the 5cf's handles (why you can break the jaws) or is it lesser quality in the new versions?

You get about the same pressure on the screws. I've only snapped the jaws on 1 pair of the 5CF's , and was REALLY squeezing hard on them, so I don't think they're lesser quality. My theory is that Snap On changed the steel to stop the handles from bending, but now, under extreme conditions the steel snaps instead of bending.

 

[Wamsutta]

Cool pliers. They have Vamplier like jaws for sure. I think they are too large (long and fat jaws) plus youd get a bit of flex due to the long handles and lose some squeeze on the screws? Not sure. Dont think Ive ever seen the 612aep ones before in person .

I have two pair. The handles do flex when you squeeze them, but I think that may be part of the intended design of having a tremendous mechanical advantage through the use of ergonomics. The jaws grip really hard. Ever twist off the head of a dry wall screw? These pliers will get the remaining shank out easily.

 

[rrangus]

Piece of advice, based on experience, do not carry them in your hip pocket. They will bite

 

[scooby074]

You get about the same pressure on the screws. I've only snapped the jaws on 1 pair of the 5CF's , and was REALLY squeezing hard on them, so I don't think they're lesser quality. My theory is that Snap On changed the steel to stop the handles from bending, but now, under extreme conditions the steel snaps instead of bending.

Makes sense Thanks.

I have two pair. The handles do flex when you squeeze them, but I think that may be part of the intended design of having a tremendous mechanical advantage through the use of ergonomics. The jaws grip really hard. Ever twist off the head of a dry wall screw? These pliers will get the remaining shank out easily.

Thanks. Still think the head might be a bit fat to get into areas without much clearance. I looked at the Engineer PZ58s (same as the Vampliers) and the head is too fat, I think the 612s are similar size?? Pretty sure Im just going to go with the 5CFs but Ill ask about them next time I see my SO driver though.

Piece of advice, based on experience, do not carry them in your hip pocket. They will bite

Duly noted

 

[dscheidt]

Cool pliers. They have Vamplier like jaws for sure. I think they are too large (long and fat jaws) plus youd get a bit of flex due to the long handles and lose some squeeze on the screws? Not sure. Dont think Ive ever seen the 612aep ones before in person .

I have two pairs. (Actually, one 612 AEP, one 612 ***, slightly older. I think just the grips are idfferent.) They're a seriously under rated tool. the tips are a bit fat for grabing small things in tight spaces, but they're surprisingly compact, and the pistol grip style works well. And they've got a huge amount of leverage, both to grip things with, and to twist with.

 

[zktk01]

Another pair pliers I will have to eventually buy

 

[joecon]

Dose anyone make a similar pair.

 

[scooby074]

Dose anyone make a similar pair.

Only thing similar would be the Vamplier/Engineer Minis. I think that even the Vamp minis are thicker headed than the SO.

There really isnt much price difference here between the SO and the Vamp, only about $6 more for the SO.

 

[6PTsocket]

I guess thats progress? Gotta keep changing a good thing

It looks like the jaws are the same between the 5ACP and the 5CF at least.

Check the grip pattern inside the jaws. The 7" went from grooves going across the jaws to a cross hatch pattern at 45° to the jaws, in the ACF version. SO says it doubles the gripping power. Sounds reasonable.

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[MShaw]

Here is a pair of #5 pliers with no letter suffixes that came as part of an ignition kit I bought in 1962.

 

[xin]

5ACP. Pocket screwdriver for scale.

5CF

Look like the Talon style handles is that correct?

 

[scooby074]

Look like the Talon style handles is that correct?

Think so.

 

[scooby074]

Check the grip pattern inside the jaws. The 7" went from grooves going across the jaws to a cross hatch pattern at 45° to the jaws, in the ACF version. SO says it doubles the gripping power. Sounds reasonable.

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Looks like the pattern stayed the same since the 60's (thanks MShaw), just a s imple "vertical" tooth. IMHO the simple tooth will get more bite than the finer crosshatch at least in this case, it seems much more aggressive.

 

[chrisnazzy]

I read all the posts in this thread and didn't see a "real" photo of the 5CF's. Here is a pic I saved from another GJ post at some point if anyone cares to see them.

I often save pics of tools to add to my wanted list but I keep forgetting to order a pair of these. Might have to change that when my SO guy stops by tomorrow.

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[sweet victory]

I bought mine from the online catalog. Free shipping.

DSC01139 by P A, on Flickr

 

[scooby074]

Finally got around to making the purchase. These things are small. My driver never even heard of them, plus, there was only a single pair available in all of Canada! Crazy. Obviously not a popular tool.

I can see this being super handy. Like tweezers on steroids. Almost cant wait to the next stripped screw.. Oh wait. Yes I can wait!

Compared to a 150mm Plierswrench

Compared to Plierswrench 150mm by J Wangchung, on Flickr

In the hand

In hand by J Wangchung, on Flickr

 

[eschoendorff]

Another pair pliers I will have to eventually buy

Roger that.