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So I've been a lurker here for quite a while, only made a username to see more of the show your toolbox pics.
But anyways, I'm in T-TEN so naturally we have a snap on rep for their sep program. He came today, and talked a bit about snap on and then passed around an F-80 3/8 ratchet or whatever that really common one is. I looked at it closely, and of course, no "made in usa" found on it. I simply asked him "with snap on tools, i.e. not blue point, I always thought they were made in the Usa. I noticed that ratchet you passed around didn't say that. Why don't you place this on your tools if they are made here?"
He responded with just "I can assure you that 99.9% of all Tools branded snap on are made in the USA"..........
Then he proceded to show us some general series toolboxes that were made in canada.....:lol_hitti

Just a story I thought would be of interest to this forum.
 
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I don't know if you saw the other thread on this or not, but yeah it is interesting. I and dozens of others here think they eventually plan to move manufacturing to China or Taiwan, and not having the "USA" stamp will make it easier for consumers to digest in the eyes of Snap-on. BIG mistake in my opinion.

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I know there has been a large debate about COO for this particular ratchet, and I just found his response to my simple question entertaining, he couldn't answer me straight up.
 
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NotoriousCAM said:
So I've been a lurker here for quite a while, only made a username to see more of the show your toolbox pics.
But anyways, I'm in T-TEN so naturally we have a snap on rep for their sep program. He came today, and talked a bit about snap on and then passed around an F-80 3/8 ratchet or whatever that really common one is. I looked at it closely, and of course, no "made in usa" found on it. I simply asked him "with snap on tools, i.e. not blue point, I always thought they were made in the Usa. I noticed that ratchet you passed around didn't say that. Why don't you place this on your tools if they are made here?"
He responded with just "I can assure you that 99.9% of all Tools branded snap on are made in the USA"..........
Then he proceded to show us some general series toolboxes that were made in canada.....:lol_hitti

Just a story I thought would be of interest to this forum.
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But he did not say the ratchet was made in USA.:shocking:
 
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This COO of this ratchet has been discussed ad nauseum. It has been confirmed by the higher authorities to be made in the USA despite the lack of USA stamp. It is pure conjecture that the lack of USA stamp is a technique which SO is employing to desensitize us to a made in achina move in the future.
 
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HA. i have a bore scope i got from snappy. say's snap on right on it. also says made in china on it too. and the damn lead keeps breaking off of it. had that happen twice now. second time around i was making sure it was not getting bent in that area. and it still does it.

but for what it is, it works good, and for the $400 on sale price tag. it does the job.
 
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stricht8 said:
This COO of this ratchet has been discussed ad nauseum. It has been confirmed by the higher authorities to be made in the USA despite the lack of USA stamp. It is pure conjecture that the lack of USA stamp is a technique which SO is employing to desensitize us to a made in achina move in the future.
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The higher ups can say what they like. I will not believe that Snap On rathets are made in the USA until it is stamped on the ratchet. If it is not stamped USA it is not made in USA.
As soon as the USA is there I'll buy.:shocking:
 
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NotoriousCAM said:
"I can assure you that 99.9% of all Tools branded snap on are made in the USA"..........
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Was he swinging a shiny socket from a string and handing out free kool-aid as he told you this. Their 50% student discount is like a crack dealer giving you you first hit for free. His % was way off
 
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Not sure why people still make a lot of fuss over the USA stamp being ommited from Snap-On ratchets and other tools. Snap-On removed the actual phrase "Made in USA" from it's hand tools a long time ago and simply replaced it with "USA". Proto did the same thing a couple decades ago as well, used to be stamped "Mfg. in USA", now simply stamped "USA" with the words "Professional" beside it. Maglite up until around 2004 used to stamp the barrels of their C and D cell lights with the words "Patented Made in USA", now they simply say "Patented in USA". Simply having a stamp USA on a products doesn't nessesarily mean that it's made in USA anyway. Simply means that is where the corporation who brands it is located. There is no law or regulation by the FTC to say that a manufacturer can't put it's name and it's location within the US on their product even if their product is wholey or mostly made outside of the US, it just can't say Made in USA on it, that's all. In fact it doesn't even have to list COO on it, they can still put their name and their location on it. I think people get way too hung up on lables to the point that they do not realizing what those lables mean. We just need to wake up to the fact that some good quality stuff may no longer be made here anymore. The industry has supported Snap-On more than any other tool maker and have done so for decades. This is how Snap-On responds to that support from working Americans. What's going to happen when Taiwan starts making Snap-On's standard hand tools to even higher quality standards than Snap-On is currently making now? God forbid, but I can see it happening in the near future. Simply stamping a product USA does not nessesarily mean MADE IN USA. Com'on people would you hold your own child in any less regard if he/she had been conceived and born outside the USA?
 
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Okay guys here is a little info. First off Snap On is an international company, with that they are then obligated to have manufacturing plants in ther countries they do business in. Additionally one of the major business advantages to being international is how you can control cash flow/tax liabilities and inventory values. Say you manufacture an item in Mexico and sell it to the United States division, you are paying lower cost to manufacture it in Mexico, but you will also not be paying sales tax. I realize that many companies do not pay themselves sales tax, but depending on the country that differs. Also many countries look much more favorably on a company who spends money in the place the operate.

In some countries it is hard to take profits out, for instance Japan sets their business laws up so profit generated in Japan, must stay in Japan. Now you can get around this by using stocks and some bonds, i.e. the stock market but you must do so very carefully so not to incurr penalties. Additionally a company can manufacture something in China for $10, ship it to the USA division and the USA division can list as $100 in its inventory as that is what the Chinese division sold it to them for - a very quick $90 mark up. In the 70's and 80's there were a few companies, Xerox of note landed in trouble for basically doing a shell game with WIP (Work In Progress) and Finished goods by shipping the products to other Xerox divisions and marking the items value up, which was an artificial way of showing more manufacturing overhead, thus cutting into the profits shown on the income statement(P&L), thus lowering their tax obligations. But in reality this gave them more money since they were not paying the actual amount of taxes due.

Hope this gives you guys a little insight to just some of the impacts of international business.

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It is silly to think SO will manufacture all their tools in the US. The US will soon no longer the primary market for SO. SO is adapting to changing market condition (or die). Now that China is becoming the dominant market, SO will put more effort in China if it means moving manufacturing to China. Look at GM. GM is so dependent on the Chinese market that it is willing to cozy up with the communist party. GM provide support for the filming of the 50th years of the Communist party.
 
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HandyManny said:
Not sure why people still make a lot of fuss over the USA stamp being ommited from Snap-On ratchets and other tools. Snap-On removed the actual phrase "Made in USA" from it's hand tools a long time ago and simply replaced it with "USA". Proto did the same thing a couple decades ago as well, used to be stamped "Mfg. in USA", now simply stamped "USA" with the words "Professional" beside it. Maglite up until around 2004 used to stamp the barrels of their C and D cell lights with the words "Patented Made in USA", now they simply say "Patented in USA". Simply having a stamp USA on a products doesn't nessesarily mean that it's made in USA anyway. Simply means that is where the corporation who brands it is located. There is no law or regulation by the FTC to say that a manufacturer can't put it's name and it's location within the US on their product even if their product is wholey or mostly made outside of the US, it just can't say Made in USA on it, that's all. In fact it doesn't even have to list COO on it, they can still put their name and their location on it. I think people get way too hung up on lables to the point that they do not realizing what those lables mean. We just need to wake up to the fact that some good quality stuff may no longer be made here anymore. The industry has supported Snap-On more than any other tool maker and have done so for decades. This is how Snap-On responds to that support from working Americans. What's going to happen when Taiwan starts making Snap-On's standard hand tools to even higher quality standards than Snap-On is currently making now? God forbid, but I can see it happening in the near future. Simply stamping a product USA does not nessesarily mean MADE IN USA. Com'on people would you hold your own child in any less regard if he/she had been conceived and born outside the USA?
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It can only be stamped "USA" if it's made in USA. If it is not stamped "USA" then it is not made in the USA.
 
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Yep. It would be tough to get foreign tools stamped USA through Customs.
 
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NWphotog said:
Yep. It would be tough to get foreign tools stamped USA through Customs.
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The ratchets heads and handles are made in the USA we know that for sure. I'm cool with that. Dual 80 are great ratchets.
 
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oldtools said:
It is silly to think SO will manufacture all their tools in the US. The US will soon no longer the primary market for SO. .
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Replace Snap On for every company you can think of. The sooner folks realize this, the better.
 
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oldtools said:
It is silly to think SO will manufacture all their tools in the US. The US will soon no longer the primary market for SO. SO is adapting to changing market condition (or die). Now that China is becoming the dominant market, SO will put more effort in China if it means moving manufacturing to China. Look at GM. GM is so dependent on the Chinese market that it is willing to cozy up with the communist party. GM provide support for the filming of the 50th years of the Communist party.
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China is communist in name only.
 
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China isn't communist; it's a dictatorship.
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Dictatorship is when one individual has absolute power and make all the decisions (no consensus). China has no one with absolute power. Decisions are made by a party with consensus; therefore, China is not a dictatorship.
 
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Hmm..

Then it's an almost-but-not-quite-but-makes-no-difference-anyway-dictatorship! :lol:
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Governing entity has different degree of oppressiveness with dictatorship being the most oppressed and democracy being the least. Communism fall somewhere in between. Do you remember in the early day of US democracy, the US oppressed the Chinese, Mexican, Black, Indian, and women. Remember slavery, civil right movement, women sufferage movement, Indian relocation, etc...
 
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