Snap-On/CHINA?

[crankshaftdan II]

Strolling thru Sam's club this week, tool section, walked past display with two razor knifes marked as Snap-On. Insignia looked like Snap-On except right on packaging: MADE IN CHINA/tworazor knives for $14.99. I did not purchase as I was a little pressed for time. Could this be S/O's intro into Chineese tools or has anyone else seen this in other tools? Maybe a clone of the Snap On trademark? Will try to return later this week to read and possibly purchase to check out the quality! Maybe these will be a give-away on the trucks if you purchase a certain amount of regular tools??? Feedback???

 

[jay50]

SO is conditioning their customers so that when SO starts importing their handtools from China, they can say they have been using Chicom made products for years.

 

[brockstar]

Has to be a licensing deal. Sears has Snap-On branded flashlights in the catalog and ACE Hardware stores around here carry Snap-On gloves and LEDs lights. The gloves and lights I know are made in China. The light is ok, but the gloves are garbage.

 

[Monte]

In 2008, SNA (snap-on) acquired a 60% share in the Chinese tool manufacturer Zhejiang Wanda Tools and plans to further invest in China, India, and Eastern Europe in 2009

and:

In March of 2008, SNA acquired a 60% share in the Chinese tool manufacturer Zhejiang Wanda Tools for $16.4 million.[9] Snap-on also has manufacturing facilities in Kunshan and Xiaoshan, China

source: click

Here is a link to snap-on`s mainland china (the communists) factory: http://www.wandasnapon.com/

 

[paramudduck]

Snap on has been whoring their brand name out like that for a few years now.

Last year their highest profit area was China and the far east.

They consider North America and Europe to be stagnant markets per their corporate statements.

Thanks for posting the links Monte I don't get around often enough to do it any more.

 

[Monte]

What do the wanda/snap-on company plan to do with these Knipex fakes.......... ??............. That would be a interesting answer.................................................................................................................................................................................. ??


pic from wanda-snapon:

 

[lbgradwell]

What do the wanda/snap-on company plan to do with these Knipex fakes.......... ??............. That would be a interesting answer.................................................................................................................................................................................. ??

Wow, what a blatant rip-off.

This is what pisses me off about the PRC (from a manufacturing perspective); they steal others' property with impunity.

 

[Canadian Charlie]

Isn't the Blue Point range made there?


Why would they want thier "Flag-Ship Line" made in China?

 

[-B-]

SO is conditioning their customers so that when SO starts importing their handtools from China, they can say they have been using Chicom made products for years.

News flash it has been happening for a few years now customers need to start demanding that the pricing need be brought in line with the cheap imports they are switching in. It is now all about share holder profits not quality , nor reputation pure and simple higher dividends for the share holders that is all that matters.


Customers need to be mad ad hell and question every price that SO has you need to make it clear to them that this will not be tolerated.

 

[scottmlew]

"More relaxed to have me!" -- I love it!

Oh, and btw -- for all of you that get excited about ISO certification, note that Wanda is ISO9001 certified (!)

 

[wadd1]

Craftsman Canada has been getting in on the act too

 

[Monte]

But the iso9001 doesn`t say something about the product quality....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO9001

 

[SpiderGearsMan]

must have growth ! just drag the brand name thru the mud
soon you will be saying snap on is a toptul rip off

 

[norry]

"More relaxed to have me!" -- I love it!

Oh, and btw -- for all of you that get excited about ISO certification, note that Wanda is ISO9001 certified (!)

Totally didn't get that until I went to their website. Yeah, I'm sure Snap-On is more relaxed to have access to quasi-slave labor. Ugh.

Those fake Knipex's are ghetto... BTW thanks Monte for sending me the real thing. Not sure I thanked you on GJ yet but the (real) Knipex and the Metabo bit set both rock.

 

[Monte]

...they just do what the others already doing for a long time....stanley...danaher... if you want to be the largest tool company in the world.....

 

[superautobacs]

...they just do what the others already doing for a long time....stanley...danaher... if you want to be the largest tool company in the world.....

Snap-on / SNA has been trailing behind and acting up on it now.

 

[Merkava_4]

A Snap-on tool made in CHINA is not a Snap-on tool.

 

[oldtools]

What do the wanda/snap-on company plan to do with these Knipex fakes.......... ??............. That would be a interesting answer.................................................................................................................................................................................. ??


pic from wanda-snapon:

Aren't those just wandaful? Knipex quality but at a fraction of the price.

 

[oldtools]

Wow, what a blatant rip-off.

This is what pisses me off about the PRC (from a manufacturing perspective); they steal others' property with impunity.

They are owned by Snap-On, so they are American.

 

[Monte]

Aren't those just wandaful?[

They are owned by Snap-On, so they are American.

exactly....

 

[Merkava_4]

Is a Harley-Davidson made in CHINA a Harley-Davidson?

 

[Monte]

Is a Harley-Davidson made in CHINA a Harley-Davidson?

when the harley davidson from china has a harley davidson sticker on it then yes....
(but still its not the real thing... )

this is no real chevrolet but still it is a chevrolet ...

 

[oldtools]

Is a Harley-Davidson made in CHINA a Harley-Davidson?

Yes. If a tool or machinery is made from the same type of machinery and same quality control, then the tool or machinery is of the same quality regardless of location. If HD move its plant from one state to another, the quality will be the same. If they move the same plant to China, then the quality will be the same. Toyota vehicle has the same quality whether it was made in Japan or the US.

 

[oldtools]

If a Chinese company bought HD, it is still HD but it is Chinese.

 

[stock z/28]

As much as I hate to see it, Im afraid that about all manufacturing is in some trouble, atleast in the US.

It seems about every company I see is looking to outsoure their products.

It seems to me if you lose the manufacturing base we have had for years and years our "economy" is in serious doubt.

Sorry, back to imported tools. Im sure that a lot of products from a lot of various tool companies will be imported as soon as a "resonable" level of quality is reached. Milwaukee power tools are one example. I never thought I would see a Milwaukee drill that was made in China, but I have.

What I really hate is that on hand tools that I have the are lifetime warranty, I will be looking at an import replacement?

On a side note I have a couple of Craftsman tool sets that are in gray cases that contain all 3 drive sizes that every piece in set is made in Tiawan. I bought these back in about the mid 80s. It apparently didnt set to well back then, and they stoped? Maybe Snap On will too? I hope so, but I doubt it.

Im afraid before too long we will be answering phone questions for companies based out of India.

 

[knudsen]

We'll all be Chinese soon enough!

 

[Merkava_4]

If a Chinese company bought HD, it is still HD but it is Chinese.

Man, I bet there's a lot of people out there that would argue the differ. You get a lot of the diehard HD people together and see what they say.

My own personal feelings - the day Snap-on makes their first wrench in CHINA is the day I stop buying Snap-on tools.

 

[lawfarm]

If a Chinese company bought HD, it is still HD but it is Chinese.

I dunno about this quote either. I know a lot of diehard Harley guys that don't even regard AMF-era Harleys as true Harleys...

 

[paramudduck]

Dang Merk you are several years too late. They have had factories there turning out thousands of tools for years now.

 

[-B-]

HD already has China parts soon everything else on a HD will too, it is all about the pursuit of larger dividends for the major share holders.

 

[country83]

As much as I hate to see it, Im afraid that about all manufacturing is in some trouble, atleast in the US.

It seems about every company I see is looking to outsoure their products.

It seems to me if you lose the manufacturing base we have had for years and years our "economy" is in serious doubt.

Sorry, back to imported tools. Im sure that a lot of products from a lot of various tool companies will be imported as soon as a "resonable" level of quality is reached. Milwaukee power tools are one example. I never thought I would see a Milwaukee drill that was made in China, but I have.

What I really hate is that on hand tools that I have the are lifetime warranty, I will be looking at an import replacement?

On a side note I have a couple of Craftsman tool sets that are in gray cases that contain all 3 drive sizes that every piece in set is made in Tiawan. I bought these back in about the mid 80s. It apparently didnt set to well back then, and they stoped? Maybe Snap On will too? I hope so, but I doubt it.

Im afraid before too long we will be answering phone questions for companies based out of India.

It all has to do with the free trade agreements over the last decade or two. Now, the Chinese stuff can come into this country tariff-free, whereas years ago that stuff would have been taxed when it came into the country.

 

[loganp]

I have a rss feed hooked to snap-on's new tool announcement page and I saw this cool snap-on welding mask... marked as being made in china.

http://image.snapon.com/international/pdf/efpbonehed_efpkilla_efpstriker_npa.pdf

 

[fomocoforrester]

HD already has China parts soon everything else on a HD will too, it is all about the pursuit of larger dividends for the major share holders.

Don't forget that it is part of the fine art of company management to decide where the shareholders best interests are.

If the majority of the shareholders are in that particular stock for short term gains, then it is part of the managements responsibility to place those shareholders priorities above the rest, by going for short term gains, possibly by cutting costs and quality.

Whereas, if the majority of shareholders are seen by the management to be in the stock for the longer term, then it is the managements legal responsibility to prioritise those shareholders interests by pursuing longer term objectives, like building a reputation for quality and value for money.

 

[Art From De Leon]

I have a rss feed hooked to snap-on's new tool announcement page and I saw this cool snap-on welding mask... marked as being made in china.


http://image.snapon.com/international/pdf/efpbonehed_efpkilla_efpstriker_npa.pdf

That sickens me, I cannot understand why anyone would want to look like a cartoon character while professing to be a competent weldor.

 

[Merkava_4]

it is all about the pursuit of larger dividends for the major share holders.

!@#$%^&* the share holders!!

 

[wantedabiggergarage]

The shareholders are the owners. Now the problem is, a publicly traded company, can be owned by people in foreign countries.

You would really need to find a privately owned/operated company, to find a true USA company.

 

[autoace]

Yes. If a tool or machinery is made from the same type of machinery and same quality control, then the tool or machinery is of the same quality regardless of location. If HD move its plant from one state to another, the quality will be the same. If they move the same plant to China, then the quality will be the same. Toyota vehicle has the same quality whether it was made in Japan or the US.

Ok, what really chafes my bag, is the super high prices companies still charge after the switch to cheap labor and lack of enviromental regs. They will still advertise the stuff as the creme de le creme, when it is just a good cheap tool.

i.e.
I just installed OEM parts on a BMW, and the bill was 700 and change. NOW if I put cheaper parts on it, and don't disclose I used a cheaper parts option, and charged him the same amount, would that be right, when he was expecting original equipment parts????? I say no, that would make me a crook.

Same for the secret shell games the tool manufacturers are doing.

 

[metal1313]

it can prob be said that the majority shareholders and the upper level management of snap-on dont actually care about tool quality or where it is made. most of them will prob never actually use a wrench, they pay some one to do it.

now personally i would love to buy all american, can i afford to?, no way in hell. if snapon could product tools in the us and sell them at competive prices with other makers they would make cuts somewhere.

 

[autoace]

when the harley davidson from china has a harley davidson sticker on it then yes....
(but still its not the real thing... )

this is no real chevrolet but still it is a chevrolet ...

You wait, GM is going to become the biggest joke, POS of this century, now that they are gov. owned. Like the gov. knows how to make cars.

 

[oldtools]

it can prob be said that the majority shareholders and the upper level management of snap-on dont actually care about tool quality or where it is made. most of them will prob never actually use a wrench, they pay some one to do it.

now personally i would love to buy all american, can i afford to?, no way in hell. if snapon could product tools in the us and sell them at competive prices with other makers they would make cuts somewhere.

Like management salary?