Snap On Epiq - real world pricing

[JeffRaines]

First time poster - sorry I haven’t posted sooner as I’ve been browsing off and on for years.

I’m looking to buy a new box. My current boxes(a 54” KRL and a cornwell tool cart) I’ve outgrown a bit. Another thing driving this decision is that I’ve recently taken a new job where having the top of a bigger box to lay out tools and whatnot would be nice. My cart just isn’t big enough and even if it was, it’s the sliding type and I keep stuff in both sides of the sliders which means I’m constantly shifting tools and other stuff from side to side to get to what I need. The 54” box, even with organization won’t fit everything(it’s one of the 24” deep masters, not the 30”).

I briefly considered buying a side cabinet from HF or something but I’m afraid that even with that I’ll be in the same position of needing more space.

The only “upgrades” space-wise would be either a 60 or 68 Epiq or a 72 masters. IF I go this route, I’d probably lean toward the 60 Epiq because it’s gonna be easier to push it around the shop.

With all this said, for the guys who have bought one of these boxes - what did you end up paying? I know the snap on website says one thing, but it often ends up being less. Just trying to get an idea of what I’m looking at and what is and isn’t a good deal.

Thank you.

 

[2ndGearRubber]

How much do you really move this box around?

I've invested far enough into masters series stuff, the Epiq jump becomes costly and my trade in stuff is harder to sell. I'm far enough into KRLs it doesn't make sense to swap. Just be aware maxing out a masters box eventually has you buying a second one.

 

[JeffRaines]

How much do you really move this box around?

I've invested far enough into masters series stuff, the Epiq jump becomes costly and my trade in stuff is harder to sell. I'm far enough into KRLs it doesn't make sense to swap. Just be aware maxing out a masters box eventually has you buying a second one.

Daily. Our boxes are stored at the end of the shift in a centralized location and then you move it to where you’ll be working for the day. Sometimes it’s close to the toolbox area, other times it’s all the way on the other side of the shop.

It’s transit work so the shop is massive.

 

[2ndGearRubber]

Daily. Our boxes are stored at the end of the shift in a centralized location and then you move it to where you’ll be working for the day. Sometimes it’s close to the toolbox area, other times it’s all the way on the other side of the shop.

It’s transit work so the shop is massive.

That's a huge PITA.

I would get the current weight of your box and then compare that to the weight of what you're looking to buy. Have a few coworkers sit on the top and give it a push to get an idea of what weight is manageable.

 

[Wamsutta]

(it’s one of the 24” deep masters, not the 30”).

KRL761 or KRL722 ?

 

[Sumboodie]

The E pig name makes me laugh.

 

[charbar]

Are you sure a 60" Epiq is going to gain you enough room over your current box? You're only gaining 6 inches in width and depth.....not sure what that works out to in cubic or square inches (depends from box to box) but if you have already outgrown your current box then it might not be long before you outgrow a 60 inch.

I haven't priced any Epiqs because Im really not interested in them but I did just get a quote three days ago from my Snap On guy on a 72" master series (KMP1023). Retail was $18,220 and he said he would sell it for $12,220. So that is $6k right off the top. I would assume it is about the same for the Epiqs.

He did mention there are rebates right now. I dont know exactly how much because my quote also had an $11,792 Zeus scanner on it but the total rebate (for box and scanner) was $1500. So I suppose if the scanner wasnt on there and it was just the box it would probably be about a $750 rebate and would put the box down to $11,500. Im just guessing though.

I've seen a fair amount of used 68" Epiqs for sale around my area for $5000-8000 depending on condition. Might be worth looking around if you would consider a used one.

 

[manac]

The E pig name makes me laugh.

Damn you I can’t un-see that.
Do they make a pink version?

 

[lugnut71]

Used 68" epiqs can be bought for 4-5 K

 

[robertgalka]

I've been searching marketplace for a couple of months. In the US Midwest the $6,000.00 68" Epiqs with SS tops seem to sell in a few weeks. The 60" Epiqs seem to hang around longer and the asking price is usually $4,500.00-$6,500.00. Location really seems to make a difference in the prices also.

 

[JeffRaines]

Used is probably the way I’m looking, it’s just a matter of finding the right deal especially if I can get a 68 for 4-5k!

 

[midshipmen89]

If you have a good relationship with your Snap-on dealer, I'd ask them about the Rock n' Roll truck. It's a regional truck and driver dedicated to selling toolboxes. He can offer much better deals than your weekly rep, and can have excellent deals on trade in or floor model toolboxes. For example, I bought my new box from the Rock n' Roll guy - MSRP of $43,000 and paid a little over $16k out of pocket. Traded a KETP843 and a KRSC430 for a KETN843, hutch, locker, powered end cabinet, and end drawer section. That was also ordered with a custom color combination and drawer config; "off the rack" deals can be had for less as well.

Your normal franchisee will schedule a visit from the Rock n' Roll truck, usually for 2-3 days of his normal route, provided he has enough potential sales to make. His truck has examples of Epiq, Masters, Classic, and Mobile boxes, with drawer front and trim samples in all the available colors. He also advised me on a more effecient layout than what I had orignially planned on, and I'm pretty happy with his recommendations. He'll stop by, provide a quote for specific layout/color/trim, and that special quote will be valid for a certain amount of time. I had 30 days, IIRC. Then the deal was made through my normal franchisee, so I didn't stiff him on the profit.

 

[2ndGearRubber]

Used is probably the way I’m looking, it’s just a matter of finding the right deal especially if I can get a 68 for 4-5k!

Think of it this way - at 60" epiq is 15,900 list.

You're going to get a little off, right off the bat. Call it 14k. Then you're trading. Typically what you paid, there's room to get back via trade in. Say you have 5k in the box you have. Now you're at 9k for the 60". Finance through snap on, 9k, and you're talking ~2500 rebate for doing so.

That's 7500, for a 60", new off the truck. You can play around from there. But that's a realistic way to play with the numbers.

Take some off the top, subtract your trade value. There should be a poster on your snap on truck, with an idea of what rebates you get for financing X amount of money. The numbers move around, max rebate is like 9k. It's always, always, worth financing. They give you same as cash, so even if you can pay in full it makes sense to take their rebate as it's way more than the 100 bucks worth of documentation fee for the loan.

I like waiting for tool show boxes. Less choice of color, but cheaper.

 

[Zewnten]

I went on the rock n roll truck at our shop one time before Covid hit to look at the epics. That guy didn’t offer anything like these deals. I’m not doubting you guys but it seems to be highly variable and OP may not get offered the same deals. Personally I’d vote used

 

[2ndGearRubber]

I went on the rock n roll truck at our shop one time before Covid hit to look at the epics. That guy didn’t offer anything like these deals. I’m not doubting you guys but it seems to be highly variable and OP may not get offered the same deals. Personally I’d vote used

I priced a Mr. Big last time R&R came by.

Trade in my krl1033 and 1032, with two lockers, still 13k out of pocket.... NOPE!

 

[JeffRaines]

I'm also not entirely sold on an Epiq - and in looking around it seems most people have them way overpriced on the secondary market here(there are a couple here listed for 5-5.5k but one isn't paid off and the other guy ghosted when I asked if it was paid off so you know what that means). Theres one for 7k in good condition and paid off but I honestly don't want to spend that much, and that guy doesn't really want to move much on the price.

I wouldn't be opposed to a 72" master with the deep drawers... I even think I could make a 54" master work with the caveat that it would need to have the 30" depth drawers and a better drawer setup than the one I have now. Thats honestly a big hold-back with what I have now. Its a KRL722 and the drawer layout just *****. Those tiny drawers won't hold hammers, my multimeter, or regular pry bars... and the only way you're getting pliers in there is if you store them flat which means they take up too much room.

When I was just starting out it wasn't as big of an issue, but now? No way.

 

[Tostal]

The only “upgrades” space-wise would be either a 60 or 68 Epiq or a 72 masters. IF I go this route, I’d probably lean toward the 60 Epiq because it’s gonna be easier to push it around the shop.

Daily. Our boxes are stored at the end of the shift in a centralized location and then you move it to where you’ll be working for the day. Sometimes it’s close to the toolbox area, other times it’s all the way on the other side of the shop.

It’s transit work so the shop is massive.

I seem to recall hearing that some race-crew pit toolboxes were powered by electric motor rather than having to be towed around - might be worth investigating?

T~

 

[Farmall450]

As long as the floor is relatively flat I doubt you'll have that hard of a time pushing them. My KRL7022 is easy to move and I have that thing loaded down - even if it was 50% harder to move that wouldn't be the end of the world for me.

 

[2ndGearRubber]

I'm also not entirely sold on an Epiq - and in looking around it seems most people have them way overpriced on the secondary market here(there are a couple here listed for 5-5.5k but one isn't paid off and the other guy ghosted when I asked if it was paid off so you know what that means). Theres one for 7k in good condition and paid off but I honestly don't want to spend that much, and that guy doesn't really want to move much on the price.

I wouldn't be opposed to a 72" master with the deep drawers... I even think I could make a 54" master work with the caveat that it would need to have the 30" depth drawers and a better drawer setup than the one I have now. Thats honestly a big hold-back with what I have now. Its a KRL722 and the drawer layout just *****. Those tiny drawers won't hold hammers, my multimeter, or regular pry bars... and the only way you're getting pliers in there is if you store them flat which means they take up too much room.

When I was just starting out it wasn't as big of an issue, but now? No way.

If you want bulk storage lockers just swallow up tools. Something like KRL791 with the narrow drawers swapped for 4" would probably eat a lot of tools up. Something like KRL715 could then be used as your writing surface, and bulk storage. Not sure your career plans, but the big upside of Epiq is the lockers - drawers can be fitted all the way up. Both of my masters lockers have the maximum drawer count, 6, and everything else in on shelves. Things are easier to access when you can pull out and grab from any direction, not just pulling from the front to access tucked away tools. Is a locker on a 722 out of the question for you? Nice thing is if you can stick with one color you could move it to another KRL box if/when you need a bigger box. Lockers are amazing values for what they store. They "look" overpriced, it's just some shelves, drawers, a big door, right? But they really shine especially with all 6 drawers (2 added onto a base locker). You can use the drawers in any of the 6 positions, to house taller items, but I use them all as 4" drawers.


I hear you 100%, layout is KING above all else. I hate the thin little drawers. I'm actually considering buying a 4" drawer to condense two 2" drawers which messily amass my pliers. FWIW it's about $450 to buy that 30/30/4" drawer, so if you're trying to ditch thin drawers for the time being that's an option. It is going to hurt to hear, but if you're dying for a specific layout ordering it new is sometimes the only realistic way to get what you want.

I'm "cheap". My boxes are both classic snap-on red, tool show boxes. Dealers usually get better box deals, will buy up a few to offload. They'll get a little nick or scratch on the back from being on the tool truck, the dealer will usually take plenty off for the little spot.

The KRL 1033 I bought about 10 years ago. I paid $5600, plus a trade in box I had $1800 in. I got more than that in trade-in value. The KRL 1032 was an odd deal, 2-3 years ago. I originally wanted a scan tool, negotiated to 2250 for that. Then he asked if I wanted a price with the box I was eyeing, that I had already said was too expensive for me. I ended up paying $5600 for the box, 2250 for the scan tool, something like 8k all in, plus a box I bought on craigslist I had about $900 in. Broke even on that trade-in, as it was a beat single top/bottom KRL that had fallen over at one point and looked the part. IIRC the 1032 deal was actually written as 8k for the box, free scan tool.
"Whatever the best deal is, you can write it however you like on your end".

The 1033 I paid off in a few months, less than 6 I think. I paid a little interest in the process. The 1032 I paid off in the "same as cash" period, I think it was 90 days, which is more than they normally give. I'm pretty sure on any financing deal they'll give you the rebates and 60 days same as cash. Lockers I basically paid retail, after they knocked a few bucks off, but I added 2 extra drawers and the required slides.


Like I said before, Epiq is the longer term "build an aircraft carrier" style box. If you buy KRLs like me, you get a triple, can add lockers or a top, then you need another KRL. Certaintly not saying they're bad boxes, I love my boxes. If you're pusing it around regularly I'm not sure the modular add-on feature of an Epiq really gets you anywhere.

 

[Wamsutta]

As long as the floor is relatively flat I doubt you'll have that hard of a time pushing them. My KRL7022 is easy to move and I have that thing loaded down - even if it was 50% harder to move that wouldn't be the end of the world for me.

Easy to move is one thing but moving smoothly is another. Those hard plastic wheels that come on the Snap-on boxes give you a jarring ride. If my box didn't just sit in one spot all day, I'd change to a wheel that rides better.

 

[Farmall450]

Easy to move is one thing but moving smoothly is another. Those hard plastic wheels that come on the Snap-on boxes give you a jarring ride. If my box didn't just sit in one spot all day, I'd change to a wheel that rides better.

I wouldn't call mine hard - I mean, they can't develop flat spots overnight, so they're firm, but spring loaded.

 

[Wamsutta]

I wouldn't call mine hard - I mean, they can't develop flat spots overnight, so they're firm, but spring loaded.

They put these blue tread Pemco wheels on Walmart shopping carts. I don't know exactly what the tread compound is but they ride SMOOTH.

 

[ChefRex]

Do I see some hair?

 

[ChefRex]

I haven’t needed to move my 68” Epqi in a bit but loaded it moved better than my Sunex cart.

 

[2ndGearRubber]

I haven’t needed to move my 68” Epqi in a bit but loaded it moved better than my Sunex cart.

I have a triple bay KRL with 2 lockers. It's an absolute ***** to get moving, but it sure does roll smoothly and easily once it's going. Momentum is a hell of a thing.

 

[Wamsutta]

I'd probably put some softer polyurethane wheels on my box if I was moving it all the time.

 

[ChefRex]

I have a side locker on order it’s needed/wanted.

 

[canuckian]

The 60" will be easier to move around but if you already have a 54" box plus a cart, it'll be full or close to it if your boxes are full now. If youre keeping the cart, youll have more than enough room with the 60". I had a 68 and while it was a heavy box loaded, it rolled just fine. You just have to be careful as once it starts moving, stopping it takes a couple of feet. As others mentioned above, the casters are hard and catch up on every pebble, nut etc on the floor. I don't move my stuff so it's a non issue for me but if I was moving it a lot I'd consider different casters.
As for real world pricing, if you're not picky on color you can buy used or ask your Snappy rep if they have any old stock or repos. Sometimes they get certain boxes on promo that can be had for half of retail. My tool guy has offered a couple of screaming deals on repos in the past few years. For a new box ordered for you, I think most end up paying ~70% of retail depending on what rebates are offered at the time and how good of a relationship they have with their dealer. I got a much better deal than most on my current setup but only because the shipping/delivery and build time was a mess and the first locker they sent was damaged and had the wrong trim. My dealer went to bat for me and took care of things.
Anyways hope that helps a little. Good luck with your purchase!

 

[Farmall450]

They put these blue tread Pemco wheels on Walmart shopping carts. I don't know exactly what the tread compound is but they ride SMOOTH.

They won't ride at all with 4k on them

 

[Farmall450]

I'd probably put some softer polyurethane wheels on my box if I was moving it all the time.

That loses the factory spring setup...not sure the benefit there.

 

[Wamsutta]

That loses the factory spring setup...not sure the benefit there.

My box is just a little KRL1056. It doesn't have spring casters.

 

[MWEric]

I asked my dealer about a deal last year. 84” Epic for $7500, after my trades a KRL722 and a KRL 1023…….I declined.

 

[CGarage]

I get that layout is majorly important, for efficiency.

That said, for the giant amounts of money that Snap-On charges for these premium boxes compared to older models that can be had for ten cents on the dollar……..

I think some of this buying is more for ego rather than the supposed time savings that will be realized (or, more than likely, not).

Come on, I value efficiency above all, but a few extra seconds savings when you are paid an hourly or flat rate??? And this “time savings” being worth $10K to $20K US? I don’t see it.

 

[2ndGearRubber]

I get that layout is majorly important, for efficiency.

That said, for the giant amounts of money that Snap-On charges for these premium boxes compared to older models that can be had for ten cents on the dollar……..

I think some of this buying is more for ego rather than the supposed time savings that will be realized (or, more than likely, not).

Come on, I value efficiency above all, but a few extra seconds savings when you are paid an hourly or flat rate??? And this “time savings” being worth $10K to $20K US? I don’t see it.

Layout is moreso about space. A bad layout means spending more $$$ to store the same tools because the storage medium cannot efficiently store them.

Imagine you have all 6" drawers, trying to store objects 3.5" tall. You can't store 2 per drawers, it wouldn't fit. So you're wasting 2.5" of height per drawer. Waste that in two drawers, and a proper setup with three 4" drawers would have stored 3 of our theoretical objects rather than 2.

Regardless of whose box you're buying, layout matters to storage efficiency. At a certain point you then reorganize for space, not usefulness or access, and then you're stuck moving things and opening 4 drawers to get all the ball joint press tools. Layout is separate from most other factors, one could buy a used HF box with a better layout for their usage than a Lista cabinet or snap on box.


I don't think anyone would disagree buying used will always be cheaper than new MSRP. I feel I threaded the needle with my display model tool-show boxes, but obviously I feel it's justifiable since I bought them.

 

[JeffRaines]

Layout is moreso about space. A bad layout means spending more $$$ to store the same tools because the storage medium cannot efficiently store them.

Imagine you have all 6" drawers, trying to store objects 3.5" tall. You can't store 2 per drawers, it wouldn't fit. So you're wasting 2.5" of height per drawer. Waste that in two drawers, and a proper setup with three 4" drawers would have stored 3 of our theoretical objects rather than 2.

Regardless of whose box you're buying, layout matters to storage efficiency. At a certain point you then reorganize for space, not usefulness or access, and then you're stuck moving things and opening 4 drawers to get all the ball joint press tools. Layout is separate from most other factors, one could buy a used HF box with a better layout for their usage than a Lista cabinet or snap on box.


I don't think anyone would disagree buying used will always be cheaper than new MSRP. I feel I threaded the needle with my display model tool-show boxes, but obviously I feel it's justifiable since I bought them.

Yep and what I’m thinking about doing at this point is grabbing some organizational stuff and just making my paid off box work.

In fact, I came in an hour early yesterday to facilitate me moving my stuff over and seeing how feasible it is. I definitely need some wrench organization, and I think I can move this 30x4 drawer up a slot or two. Once I get some plier racks I’ll move all my pliers in there with my hammers in the middle.

I’ll probably grab an end cabinet to hang on for any bigger stuff, and a place to store my batteries and chargers. I might also grab one of those HF power tool racks for that bottom left deep drawer. It’ll require some modification but will be a nice place to store my electric guns and I won’t need that deep drawer for fluids/aerosols because of the end cabinet.

All a hell of a lot cheaper than paying the troll toll on the trucks or trying to buy something from some delusional guy who thinks the box he paid 15k for is still worth 14k lol

 

[JeffRaines]

I think some of this buying is more for ego rather than the supposed time savings that will be realized (or, more than likely, not).

Come on, I value efficiency above all, but a few extra seconds savings when you are paid an hourly or flat rate??? And this “time savings” being worth $10K to $20K US? I don’t see it.

I agree with it being ego.

As far as organization - I will say the reason I like everything being organized is less about efficiency(and I’m a transit mechanic these days so times aren’t a thing) and more about being able to open a drawer and know when something’s missing. It’s saved my bacon more than once.

With that said, you don’t need to spend 20k on a box to achieve that.

Edit to add: one of my favorite conspiracy theories is that tool manufacturers like snap on etc always send wrenches and stuff in big space inefficient holders so it takes up more room in your box, thus making it seem like you need a new box sooner rather than later.

 

[yellowbox]

Are you sure a 60" Epiq is going to gain you enough room over your current box? You're only gaining 6 inches in width and depth.....not sure what that works out to in cubic or square inches (depends from box to box) but if you have already outgrown your current box then it might not be long before you outgrow a 60 inch.

I haven't priced any Epiqs because Im really not interested in them but I did just get a quote three days ago from my Snap On guy on a 72" master series (KMP1023). Retail was $18,220 and he said he would sell it for $12,220. So that is $6k right off the top. I would assume it is about the same for the Epiqs.

He did mention there are rebates right now. I dont know exactly how much because my quote also had an $11,792 Zeus scanner on it but the total rebate (for box and scanner) was $1500. So I suppose if the scanner wasnt on there and it was just the box it would probably be about a $750 rebate and would put the box down to $11,500. Im just guessing though.

I've seen a fair amount of used 68" Epiqs for sale around my area for $5000-8000 depending on condition. Might be worth looking around if you would consider a used one.

I'm a sucker for new , but money wise I would look for a used epiq ,
On the other hand a good dealer will give you a once in a lifetime deal on new , patience being key
If your shop floor is level and smooth , rolling a heavy massive box really isn't that bad
But any incline or roughness is a huge issue especially daily