kams1973
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Would you pay more for an F-80 w/ USA stamped on it? If so, how much would you be willing to pay and why?
Snap-On F80 USA
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tonydanzah
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i would pay less for the non usa version
Kirbot
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If I saw the two side by side, I would certainly choose the one with USA, but I don't know that I would pay any extra for it.
^^ This ^^
mrshaun
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I have one and so does chad. I sold all of them off the truck and didnt realize the usa was gone before it was too late. I have an fhf80 with usa....
I actually like the way the ratchet looks with out the "USA" under the snap-on logo (looks more symetrical imo). But it would be nice to see the "USA" stamp in the same area as they place the modle number like they did on the old TM70 era ratchets.
But really, dont care to piss and moan about the stamping. The ratchets work the best to date. Dont think the extra stamping is going to make them more efficient.
But really, dont care to piss and moan about the stamping. The ratchets work the best to date. Dont think the extra stamping is going to make them more efficient.
american lockpicker
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Dual 80 is assembled here I think. A COO would certainly clear things up.
jjjrmx5
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So the Made in the USA stamp is more of a "graphic design" and type face and graphic placement issue for you than quality, materials, jobs and finished product confidence.
Can't say I've heard that angle before.
Good for you.
mrshaun
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I would like to see just the S logo and thats it on the top of the ratchet.
comedyman809
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for 20 dollars, you can send me your non-usa ratchets and ill gladly etch "USA" on them.
wont look pretty, but will say USA
wont look pretty, but will say USA
american lockpicker
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It sure does. Around where I live used tools won't sell unless they say USA on them.
Ratchet, Sealed Head (High Strength), Standard Handle, 4 7/16"
Product Specifications
Stock # T72
Name Ratchet, Sealed Head (High Strength), Standard Handle, 4 7/16"
Price** $66.50
Brand Snap-on
Country Of Origin USA
Finish Chrome
Gear Action 5°
Gear Teeth 72
Head Type Sealed
Description Standard Handle
Ratchet Service Kit RKRT72
ASME/ANSI B107-10M-2005
Aerospace Spec. -
Square Drive, inches 1/4
Dimension A, Head Depth, inches 7/16
Dimension B, Head Width, inches 15/16
Dimension C, Length, inches 4 7/16
Flex Joint Repair Kit -
Locking Mechanism Repair Kit -
There is your COO..
SticketsFTW
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Theres your BSCOO 
Country of origin doesn't mean ****; perhaps the design originated in USA. Everyone by now know's it is made in Snap on china plant. That's why they can't label it made in usa
treasureseeker
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I don’t have a problem with my dual 80’s not having an COO marked on them but I do have a need to know the COO of our fearless leader
treasureseeker
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That woud be "Area 51" COO
Not to be a smart *** but all a person has to say is USA and Snap-on in the same sentence and the **** somes up every time.
People cant just put the damn subject to rest already. For those of you who keep bitching that the stamp is missing, why dont you just stamp it yourself so we can stop have this same old arguement every flipping week.
That's correct. There are only three valid reasons for not marking them USA:
1. They don't legally qualify as made in the USA.
2. Snap-on is ashamed of being a USA company with American workers.
3. You are slowly "training" your customers so they are conditioned when you shift manufacturing to China.
And, you are OK with that?
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trackwelder
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Lt CHEG
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nato
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I have an FLF80 that I purchased off of Boiler via ebay that has USA stamped on the head.
I was soooo excited when I had received it b/c I didn't see it in the pictures he had posted.
I hope the flex pivot end of head never breaks to warranty a new head replacement b/c I love the limited earlier run that they had & makes it a little more unique/desirable....
I have an F80 w/o COO stamp and I still LOVE it the same
I was soooo excited when I had received it b/c I didn't see it in the pictures he had posted.
I hope the flex pivot end of head never breaks to warranty a new head replacement b/c I love the limited earlier run that they had & makes it a little more unique/desirable....
I have an F80 w/o COO stamp and I still LOVE it the same
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Exactly!!
To those who want to keep bitching, just dont buy the tools anymore. I have an idea, why dont you ***** about how matco uses what is supposed to the the American eagle on their logo insinuating that they are American made??
Based on your posts I doubt you give a rat's *** now (but, your attitude might change by the time life is finished with you).
A country builds wealth through activities like mining (minerals, oil and gas etc) and manufacturing. Service jobs (mechanic, automotive tech etc.) just move money around. In the 60's when we had a huge manufacturing base and a large middle class, one income was sufficient to maintain a good life for a family. Now, it takes two people working for many families to keep the same level of lifestyle and the middle class is being destroyed as good jobs are replaced with $10/hour service jobs. It's only going down from here if we don't preserve the manufacturing that still exists.
...and taking this out on Snap-on does what now??? Why dont you blame government regulations for that one. Snap-on is doing what it can to stay competitive in this market. Guess what, I have too many Snap-on tools from all different eras and the have a USA stamp on it. At first it bugged me, but I dont care anymore. The ratchets are made here. Snap-on employs USA workers.
You all forget a big key factor in this equation. Snap-on has bought out many companies, like Bahco. Of coarse they are going to use Bahco factories to make and sell tools. Like all the companies they have incorporated into the company. Its easy to ***** and whine when your not the one running the company. You dont make the decisions for a multi million dollar successful company who still pushes the envelop on top of the line tools.
Snap-on has a big reputation it has to uphold and I do not think they would cut quality to save a dollar.. The prices speak for themselves. And do you know how many times Snap-on has manufactured tools in the past that did not have the USA stamp on it but yet it was still made in the USA??? Also there was a time in the past that they also did not put date codes on their tools.
I have old Snap-on wrenches that are stamped "CANADA" and guess what, work perfect still to this day. I have Snap-on adjustable wrenches that are made here in the USA, and in Spain. Still work great.
So complaining about outsourcing of Snap-on tools made not in the USA is a tad bit too late. So you better get in a time machine and complain to Snap-on back in the 1930's for making tools in Canada.
american lockpicker
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Lt CHEG
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I disagree on several points here. Good paying laboring jobs do not exist or are on the endangered species list ANYWHERE now. Not just in the US, but across the globe. It just doesn't make sense for any company any where to pay somebody a good wage for something that requires little to no skill to do. If I can train someone to do a job within a week then the person doing that job is not adding a lot of value to my company. There is not much scarcity in the services they are providing so I don't have to pay a lot for those services. The value is added when someone designs a new gadget or a better way to produce existing gadgets. Not everyone can design new things or new ways to make old things so people who do that add tremendous value. In America we are still the innovators of the world. We do the things that you can't just train someone to do in a week so we add real value. Now I do believe that it is necessary to maintain enough of a manufacturing base so that we can support and wage a winning war effort, but that doesn't mean that our entire economy needs to be based upon manufacturing.
As far as the argument about two income families being the norm now, the reality is that it is because of the fact that two income families became the norm that prices went up. There are two types of inflation, cost push and demand pull. Cost push inflation occurs when your input costs go up necessitating an increase in product prices to maintain the same profit margin. Demand pull inflation is when demand increases for things to the point where people are willing to pay more for those things and as a result the cost of those things goes up. Before two income families were the norm there wasn't a need for lots of things like we have today. We didn't need very many daycare centers, most families could get by with one car with ease, business workers didn't need to maintain 2 full wardrobes of business attire, etc. Well when two income families started to come to life they had real extra income from the second worker. Well as good Americans they succumbed to marketing pressures and decided that they needed to spend all of that new found income on new fancy cars, designer clothes, electronic gadgets, etc. So what happened is demand for items increased which resulted in decades of considerable demand pull inflation. Well normally when prices rise because of demand pull inflation prices start to stabilize when things become more expensive and people don't want them as much at their new higher prices. Well again as good Americans we succumbed to marketing pressures and still kept buying at the higher prices and just stopped saving money driving our savings rate to nearly zero and then eventually to negative numbers. This kept the spiral of demand pull inflation going further. Then to add gasoline to the fire people realized that their houses could be used like giant credit cards and they could borrow money to continue to buy these new and awesome things even though their ravenous demand for them had driven the prices to new highs. So the real reason why things have gotten so expensive and why two income families are necessary now is because as a country we think that we can buy happiness by buying things. We continue to buy **** that we don't need so we continue to have to work harder and harder to make the payments.
The reality is that if we all wanted to go back to single income families we could definitely do so. The thing is that there wouldn't be two new cars parked in the driveway anymore. There wouldn't be two closets full of designer clothes anymore. Parents would have to take care of their children instead of taking them to daycare and paying for it, etc. We could over time easily go back to single income families and lower the overall cost of goods, but we'd have to give up the things that became normal during the growth of two income families and go back to having the amount of stuff that was normal during the previous period of single income families, which a lot of people aren't willing to do. The reality is that people have succumbed to marketing pressures and started to believe that normal, middle class people had things that in reality they didn't and normal, middle class people started to live like they were rich when their income couldn't support it. Our poorest people live better than the wealthiest people of many other countries. The reality is that our middle class is really doing pretty well in comparison, and the more they try to buy happiness the only thing that they'll succeed in doing is making the richest people that so many people have been conned into hating even richer.
american lockpicker
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They aren't in Switzerland.
Lt CHEG
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I'd argue that there aren't many true laboring jobs in Switzerland. I'd argue that most of the jobs in Switzerland are actually skilled trade type jobs. The kind of jobs I'm talking about are things like packing boxes, watching things on an assembly line, etc. jobs that can be picked up in a week, not jobs where any sort of apprenticeship is required.