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At least get a metric set of the Snap On universal sockets in 3/8 drive.

They have a good rep for not breaking, and may be the best made.
I think everyone else forgot to mention these.
 
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At least get a metric set of the Snap On universal sockets in 3/8 drive. I think everyone else forgot to mention these.

I don't think anyone forgot. They purposefully didn't mention because a student will likely never be able to justify those on a budget compared to much much cheaper options. He will barely use them on top of that.

The 1/4" metric swivels are a godsend too.

Again, so is every speciality tool, but that doesn't mean it's the best choice for a young student with financial constraints.

Let's remember there is a budget in this instance. The kid made bad financial decisions and now is paying for it. He needs to dig himself out of a hole, not get back in one.
 

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I find that my wobble plus 3/8" extensions get me out of most situations where wobble sockets would shine.
Being that they are not a prestige brand and they have lasted years of regular abuse I would suggest a student priced solution exists.
And they are not a specialty tool, in fact only three do all I need in nearly all my work. I sold off the regular extensions long ago.
 

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I don't think anyone forgot. They purposefully didn't mention because a student will likely never be able to justify those on a budget compared to much much cheaper options. He will barely use them on top of that.



Again, so is every speciality tool, but that doesn't mean it's the best choice for a young student with financial constraints.

Let's remember there is a budget in this instance. The kid made bad financial decisions and now is paying for it. He needs to dig himself out of a hole, not get back in one.

Have you ever worked as a mechanic? Swivel sockets are used almost daily and a required item if you want to make any money.
 

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I find that my wobble plus 3/8" extensions get me out of most situations where wobble sockets would shine.
Being that they are not a prestige brand and they have lasted years of regular abuse I would suggest a student priced solution exists.
And they are not a specialty tool, in fact only three do all I need in nearly all my work. I sold off the regular extensions long ago.

I 100% Agree with this

I have those ^^^ but Snap-on in 1/4" and 3/8" drive and they are AWESOME, I got them both used for 50% off (ebay)... and other then a few super long or specialty extension they are the only ones I use daily.... with my Craftsman Sockets....



Have you ever worked as a mechanic? Swivel sockets are used almost daily and a required item if you want to make any money.

I have, and I only own super common sizes of chrome wobbles (5/16, 3/8, 8mm, 10mm, 13mm) In a mix of 1/4 and 3/8 drives... mainly for hose clamps and on interiors...
I believe for most starting out that would be plenty sufficient...

I personally have and (would have) much more money in my impacts then chrome (which seems be used less and less these days) I'd much rather include things like 3/8 shallow impact universal... for general service ie: brake jobs/steering/suspension ect...
and from a brand like sunex or gp there no need to buy snap on for most items...


I think Snap on makes top quality HAND Tools IMHO...( Wrenches,Ratchets, Pry bars, Pleirs) is what I personally like of theirs. I own some hammers and a few other odd and ends, but I wouldn't put them at the Top of my list... Id say most if not all of the rest could be found elsewhere...
 
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Have you ever worked as a mechanic? Swivel sockets are used almost daily and a required item if you want to make any money.

MSRP on the website is $483.75 so 1/2 off is $247 for set #111TMUSMA.

I said he can find cheaper options on seldom used items for the meantime.

Eh, what do I know ...
 

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I 100% Agree with this




I have, and I only own super common sizes of chrome wobbles (5/16, 3/8, 8mm, 10mm, 13mm) In a mix of 1/4 and 3/8 drives..

Same here I only have snappy 1/4 Chrome swivels in 7,8,10,12,& 13mm and 1/4 impact in 8,10,12,13,14,&15mm.i also have 3/8 impact swivels deep and shallow in 10,12,13,15,16,18,&19mm.that's it don't need much more and I do everything from pulling dashes to transmission and diesel work including cab offs.
 

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Maybe I missed something but I don't recall the OP saying anything about struggling financially. Where is the 40k in debt coming from? My question would be what kind of interest does the kid have with working with his hands? Another would be does the kid possess any mechanical aptitude?



Anyone who has been on this forum, longer than 5 minutes, knows snap on tool are the highest quality and one is a fool for not "investing" in then. Fair enough.

The OP certainly knows his son's mechanical ability and if money were not an issue, he would not be concerned with explaining the differences in tool costs to his son and just go with the "generous" SO 50% discount.

The OP Asking if HF and other less expensive tools tools , might get him through school, speaks - to me anyway, that the parents might not have money to burn.

Some people insist on buying new college text books for their kids (because the have the money). But in reality, rented used text books read exactly the same.

Speaking only for myself, even borrowing $7500 for a $15/HR job stinks - unless the year was 1977.


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MSRP on the website is $483.75 so 1/2 off is $247 for set #111TMUSMA.

I said he can find cheaper options on seldom used items for the meantime.

Eh, what do I know ...

The problem with this theory is that he may buy the cheaper option now. It may get him through school just fine, but when he gets out into the real world using these every day he's likely going to break them constantly unless he upgrades to Snap On. So now he's had to pay the price of the cheaper ones (likely still pretty costly) and he will now have to pay full price for the Snap On ones instead of getting them for half price like he would if he bought them now. Doing it this way will end up costing him close to 3 times as much as they would if he just bought them now. In a situation like this where you can get the deal of a lifetime on them, I'm not a fan of buying a cheaper version with the thought that you'll just upgrade at some other point in your life. I'd rather just get them now at the cheapest price you'll probably see for a new set.

There are quite a few items that you don't need to buy from Snap On and they will still hold up just fine, but there are quite a few others where you're either going to really want the Snap On quality, or you're going to really want the Snap On warranty so that they can replace the tools for you when you do break them.

For home use I like some of the brands on this forum, but I can tell you that dealing with the warranty with many of these brands is a huge pain in the ***. For example I had a broken screwdriver a few weeks ago. They required me to ship it back to them on my dime which cost me close to $5. That doesn't sound expensive, but keep in mind that this was only a $12 screwdriver. Then close to a month later I finally received a replacement in the mail. It was just ridiculous. Had it been a Snap On, I'd have been able to get it fixed for free (not having to pay 41.6% of the cost in shipping) the next time I saw the Snap On guy.
 

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I was in tech school recently and I would buy all
My sockets, wrenches and power tools now snap on. Everything else can be whatever. But he needs 1/4 universal sockets 7-15 mm some shallow and deep 3/8 universal sockets and wrenches.
 

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MSRP on the website is $483.75 so 1/2 off is $247 for set #111TMUSMA.

I said he can find cheaper options on seldom used items for the meantime.

Eh, what do I know ...

On this specific set not much. Just my opinion no offense.
 

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Its highly unlikely I would bother to warrant a screwdriver or most other hand tools. A few Sears when it was convenient but I am not worried to the point I will pay 30 a piece today just in case if I don't lose it may get a replacement 20 yrs from now. There will always be deals on these tools, they will not go away, some guy will find he cant afford them and they be on ebay tomorrow with the rest of them.
Some fear loss so bad they are willing to spend 3$ to insure 1.
 
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Hey, thanks everyone. Lots of great advise here. I'm glad to see a consensus on the employers don't care what brand.

He grew up using Snap On's out of my tool box from when I was a bodyman years ago. Matter of fact, I went to the same school (Trident Technical College) when they offered the Autobody program. Snap On guy came by every Tuesday or Wednesday. 35-40 years ago N.Charleston and Summerville were so small, the same guy covered both territories. When I graduated, I had old Frank as my dealer at my first job too.

What I'll probably do is the HF 44" bottom (all that is required for the program is a bottom box) and get him the basics in Snap On like I did. Combo wrenches, screw drivers, 3/8 sockets in 6 point, brake line wrenches and a few hammers.
As far as impacts, I cannot break the new HF impacts I bought two+ years ago. Of course using them as little as I do.....

I've got a few air ratchets and impacts still like new in my box I never use. He'll inherent those for sure!

At this point, I'm tempted to buy all new Snap On's like I have and give him my old one's and keep the new for me.

The op from a previously linked thread reported in -

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8/21/16
So I ended up getting an air hammer with bits, regular combo wrenches, ratcheting wrenches, off set wrenches,flare nut wrenches, 3/8 and 1/2 drive sockets, torx bits, hex bits, long hex bits, dual 80 ratchets, tap and die set.

If i remember something else ill update this. It has been a while.

Snap On Student Discount!
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=215519

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Guys, Kenosha isn't the only place in the world capable of making quality tools.

Get stuff that doesn't break in the first place and you won't care about a warranty.

Brand and prestige can be a boost to own but my tools don't break under heavy use and none are Snappy. Eventually they will wear out like any other but that will not be next week.
 

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For a box buy a used harbor freight 44 or bigger. There are other good used boxes out there craigslist and ebay are good places to look.

Concentrate on tools instead of the box.

Snap-on is really a hand tool company. I would get Makita, Milwaukee, Ingersoo & Rand, cordless impacts in that order. IMO the tool trucks overcharge on the cordless impacts. Most people use cordless today, not air impacts.

Impact swivel sockets, and deeps are a must. I would get 1/4 and 3/8 swivels from Snap-on. The deeps I would get some decent ones, cheap and even mid grade ones can shatter, which is why there is a warning to wear eye protection with impact tools. All brands can break. Impact extensions will be softer on sockets than chrome. I would get these later not right away.

I would look at the value of used Snap-on and compared to what the student prices are. If you can get used Snap-on at a value that you think is better than new discounted Snap-On, then I would get used. For example I would get flank drive plus reversible ratchet wrenches so I would have the best open end wrench and a good ratchet wrench as well. I would also the double box end wrenches, or the double box end with one end ratcheting, so I would have a nice long box wrench for leverage, good box for grip on the fastener, and ratchet wrench for speed and again length. The regular open end wrenches are easier to find used.

Snap-on runs regular buy one get one free deals if your dealer buys into them. I have gotten many free tools this way, instead of paying full retail.

Flare nut wrenches and heavy duty torx sockets are definites, you will end up getting these anyway, pay now or pay later. The dual 80 ratchet could be put in this category too, if you really like them. It is hard not to like the ratchets, it's the price that people don't really like. There are deals though, I bought the Heavy duty torx set and got a 1/4 and 3/8 ratchet free from the dealer, as it was a promotion from Snap-On.

Ratcheting screw driver is pretty good too, especially at 50%, there are other good ratcheting screwdrivers but I like the Snap-On the best. I would definitely get one instinct handled #2 philips screwdriver, this is the most commonly used and see if you like them or not, before buying a whole set. You can get decent cheap sets just about anywhere.

Snap-On chrome sockets again I would compared good used prices to discount new prices including % interest on cost of both if needed. Snap-On chrome sockets are really good.

Snap-on dead blow hammers are really good as well.

Craftsman Industrial are US made. I don't know the prices, but my older US Craftsman ratchet wrenches have the best action, of any ratchet wrench I have been able to find, and I have compared many. These discounted at a student price could be a good deal. I prefer my craftsman ratchet wrenches, to any others I have or tried. I don't pull on the ratcheting end as hard now, that they are not easy to replace. I never had to replace any, but the open ends are good not great. Snap-On ease of warranty vs Craftsman warranty could be another discussion here, but depend on who you deal with ultimately, on the customer service end.

The Snap-On wobble plus extensions are also a must, these work great. If you have to have regular extensions I would go Mac as the knurling on the outside of the big end is nice to have.

Knipex pliers wrench is the only thing I think is great from Knipex. I would go Channel lock for the water pump type pliers. There other stuff is not bad either.

There are other brands of tools out there that your son just might like better once he tries them. In the begging, at least while in school and until he outgrows it or maybe a couple of them, I would go with cheap boxes, and focus on the tools. I would not electronic tools, except may the torque wrenches which kind of luxury, but are very nice to use. You could get by with click type cheaper ones from CDI or else where.

Craftsman mayhew pry bars have gotten good reviews on here. I have Snap-On pry bars with striking end caps that came with a free deadblow ball peen hammer, a buy on get one deal.

I would figure a budget and come up with a plan to best utilize that budget.
 
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Just picked him up the HF 44" during their sidewalk sale.

Used would have been good, I just don't have time to chase flaky C/L ads around. Besides, I cannot remember the last time I saw anything other than Snap On posted on C/L around here.

Got to get him a "name brand" DVM. Thinking about a Fluke since I use them at work. Watching a few on ebay.
 

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Got to get him a "name brand" DVM. Thinking about a Fluke since I use them at work. Watching a few on ebay.

C&P from one of several threads on the topic

Fluke is the preferred DMM for most techs and automotive OEMs but, there are other excellent DMMs out there.
This new Powerprobe unit is gaining popularity at work
http://www.tooltopia.com/power-probe-ppdmm.aspx

Also consider DMMs from PDI, ESI, Lang, and Extech.

Currently $80.51
 

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Since most are proud of the SO warranty, how does that work with the school sale and warranteed later at a different dealer. I've heard it is common not to warranty the previous purchase. Is that a scare tactic or real world? I guess the same question can be asked of the used SO purchase.

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im in the same position as your son, im only 19 attending Universal Technical Institute here in Norwood MA, I for one am paying for my school I took out a personal loan of about 20,000 to cover costs that were not covered by loans etc. that I got. however if you want to take it right from the horses mouth. the 50% discount is not BAD AT ALL. yeah like you said the wrench set still puts them at about 175-200 a set as apposed to the 350-400+ I am paying for my own tools and school so its tough to make all ends meet. I also have other expenses like my car insurance about 206 a month and a phone bill of 120 a month and other expenses gas etc.


its tough for me to take 100 percent advantage of the discount but when I find the money to buy the tools I totally take advantage because you don't want to go into the field and saying damn I should have gotten that while I was there etc. what I would stay away from now though is buying the snap on tool boxes. I myself focus more on filling a box up. actually as of until this past week I only had a hand bag from craftsman that was gifted to me last year for my birthday and man did I fill that thing up. I moved into a bigger box and then my mother finally gifted me a husky box from homedepot with the bottom and top piece. still nothing to big but I was amazed and fell in love with it. would I want the snap on box OF COURSE !!! me being me I would deff pull out the credit and get it but I am a little more wiser then that. I took a look at the big picture and said if I spend 1500-6000 on a box what the hell am I going to buy the tools to actually put into the box.

Also having the discount now and seeing the prices and all that I weigh my odds, I check around for prices and reviews and every single teacher that I have had I asked what tool box do they have and what tools do they use. some swear by brands like snap on, matco, and mac others say honestly Denis I have a Us General box and mixed tools.

then I think to myself like damn he must have done right in life if he is now teaching the mechanics and tech and deff made a killing with the tools he or she has had.

ive come to learn a lot about tool brands and tool boxes. I just recommend no impulse buys. ive talked to a matco guy inside of his truck and man was I sold on everything in there and what he was telling me. I did a credit pull with him even !!!! something I never ever do as my dad thought me better. but me being a boy my eyes were lit up like a Christmas tree and I was salivating at the site of everything inside that truck !!!!!

The main point I want you to see is that you don't need the top of the line tools to make it in the field and no place will turn him away. most people just look for a worker that can work and know his stuff. but mainly a person that is willing to learn as well!!! that's key as I have been told in the field by many employers and employees.

do some research there are more reliable tool brands out there and no one cares what tools you have just make sure you know to use them. later on he can always buy the bigger better tool, once he finally finds the use for them.

Recommendations:
Craftsman PRO series is a good wrench and socket go to
Ingersoll Rand makes better impact guns and electric guns
Cornwell makes outstanding hand tools and Boxes
Husky makes good tool boxes and quick home tools
Gear Wrench makes nice ratchets for an affordable price
Sunex has good socket sets (impact metric and regular metric)
Sk makes good hand tools



NOTE: Make sure your son doesn't get sold on SAE Sockets, you almost don't ever need those in life make sure to double check any sale that snap on has at his school regarding sockets because you might buy the SAE which any cheap set will do since the lack of those size bolts, everyone is onto metric now!!!!

Hope that does you some justice and those are all facts above as to what expenses I cover and experiences !!!
 

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The nice thing is your son can use Snap On credit and get good tools and pay over time.

No. The snap on student discount program isn't the same as buying off the truck from a regular dealer. There are purchase limits and you can't just buy anything you want out of the catalog. Additionaly, tools are paid for up front.
I also recommend taking advantage of the tool truck brand discount program if you can afford to do it. Not every tool truck brand's student discount program is available at every school. A long, long time ago I used MAC's and Snap on's programs when I was in school. It helped me greatly.
On a side note, I would see if your son even needs tools to complete his courses. I've seen schools that provided tools and others that gave you a list of tools that they expected you to have. Good luck to to your son, and I hope he sticks with it.:beer:
 
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NOTE: Make sure your son doesn't get sold on SAE Sockets, you almost don't ever need those in life make sure to double check any sale that snap on has at his school regarding sockets because you might buy the SAE which any cheap set will do since the lack of those size bolts, everyone is onto metric now!!!!

Hope that does you some justice and those are all facts above as to what expenses I cover and experiences !!!

Funny you mention this. His list of tools do not require any SAE sets. Knowing he drives a '95 Mustang that is a mix of SAE & metric, I'll probably get him a set anyway.
Good luck with your program! We were going to send him to the UTI school in Charlotte NC. Tuition was a *****, and I had read a lot of negative reviews about the way they push students into programs where they lack students. If they refuse, they make life miserable for them. There was no way my son wanted to be a diesel mechanic nor into the NASCAR program. He wanted a basic automotive program. His dreams are to work for high end European cars.
 

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I do still use sae every once in a while. Crappy 13mm bolt heads is the most common 1/2 usually gets them off.
 

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I'm not sure why that should really matter. Just because I don't use them EVERY day doesn't mean the rest of us don't use them regularly and use them hard from time to time.

Firstly, there are a number of high quality alternatives available that are still less expensive than Snap On even with the 50% discount for basic hand tools. Maybe 30 years ago they had some advantages with their sockets and wrenches, but now almost everyone offers off corner engagement sockets and box end wrenches, and several other brands mentioned have off corner or anti-slip open end wrench designs. As long as they aren't abused, such tools should last a lifetime.

Snap On rebrands a bunch of other stuff like dead blows, tap and die sets, etc.. Really no need in paying their crazy markup (even with the discount) to get the same tool.

On truck, same day warranty replacement is going to be limited to whatever the guy has on the truck. Otherwise you're still stuck waiting for a replacement.

As many have already stated, he should probably take advantage of buying things like their torx and hex sockets, and maybe a ratchet or two. Get the things that Snap On is superior to everyone else in or only they offer.

It does matter and your post pretty much proved my point

I started with craftsman as well. It mostly set in my box while I use the guys tools above me. As soon as I graduated everything got replaced.

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