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Just for fun, I did a bit of looking around at current prices on second hand Snap-on items, just as an example, say a T72 or 211SFSY. I was really surprised to see that many of the "popular" items have dropped significantly in price in the last year or two.

Keep in mind, I'm looking at like new to excellent condition here, it's more of a crapshoot when you're looking at well used tools.

I remember when it was near impossible to find a T72 for less than 50 shipped, and a TL72 for less than 60 shipped. Now I'm seeing TL72's for the price that T72's were going for, and T72's seem to be selling for dirt cheap more often than ever, like $25-30 range. Like new F80's used to be almost impossible to get for less than $70 or $80, and now I'm seeing them dipping into the sub $50 range.

It seems like this across the board. I understand that it's partly because it's still close after the holidays, but I've been seeing this trend for over a year, so I don't think it's strictly cyclical.

Every once in a while I'll pick up a lot of Snap-on, and it seems that each time I do it, I have a harder and harder time unloading the spare pieces for a reasonable price.

In fact, it's gotten to the point that I don't usually bother with lots any more, because I may actually end up worse off, even if I get a great price on the whole bunch. I remember when prices were so solid, that I could buy a lot, sell half, and get the other half that I needed for free or close to it. I can't even come close to that any more.

Here on GJ, for example, it used to be that all T72's, F80's, etc. sold within a couple dollars of each other, and a $1-2 dollar discount from average would casuse a ratchet to sell within minutes of listing. :lol_hitti

At one time, you could pretty much draw a graph showing time to sell vs. offset from average price, and it would generally be spot on.

Now, prices are more spread out, and it's very hard to predict how fast things will move, if they move at all.

Ebay used to be worthless for buying like new SO, because people would pay 92% of retail for it. Now, half the time I'm happy if I manage to pull 50%.



My personal theory is that this is a combination of more conservative buyers due to worries about the economy, and also many more people moving to buying new direct from SO or the truck, because of SO's push to enforce warranty. I think that it's cause the second hand market to deflate.

Anyways, thoughts?
 
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Snapon prices have always been highly variable, but in general I don't think its a wide price drop, just a shift to newer models with the older ones dropping in value.
 

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prices are about the same as they've been for the last few years. The most common items will naturally drop over time due to market saturation.
 
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edit: I realized this is probably kind of a silly thread. I don't really have any data or anything other than a hunch and limited observations to go on. It does seem to me that the prices have been dropping more than their standard fluctuation, but there could be any number of reasons for that. Oh well. :)
 
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There is a flood of those ratchets out right now they t72 is like $40 new on the truck right now iirc. Even on snap on home page they have the buy the Torx set get the 2 ratchets free, they are cheaper on the truck though

A new stamped or styled ratchet must be coming soon and trying to push the older ones out still great ratchets if you have the $ now is the time
 

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Ratchets might be dropping in resale value but it seems many other items (new and used) are selling for list and more on ebay.

I've only been watching things for the last 3-4mons on ebay and much of the inflated values appear to be from 'non-tool' folk buying and selling.
Has this always been the case?
 

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My personal theory is that this is a combination of more conservative buyers due to worries about the economy, and also many more people moving to buying new direct from SO or the truck, because of SO's push to enforce warranty. I think that it's cause the second hand market to deflate.

Anyways, thoughts?

Not a silly thread BTW.

I've noticed the same...not just Snap-on but all the big tool names. I've been shopping for a toolbox myself and I've gotten many leads on boxes which were puchased a year or less ago...they got laid off...need to unload the box ASAP. Used boxes used to bring good money...trade value or better....now not so much. I've been amazed at what 800 bucks can buy you for a SnapOn box...you could barely get a teeny-tiny dented to **** top cabinet for that price a couple years ago.

In regards to warranty enforcement and sales...I think the two go hand in hand. If you have even somewhat of a relationship with a local truck, he's much more liable to replace your busted 9/16 socket even though you didnt get it from him, you are at least a customer. I bet some people have gotten burned by buying off eBay or what have you...and the first and only calls to the local truck is to warranty...In which case I couldnt blame them at all.

Lets not forget...SnapOn doesnt offer online sales to undercut its local dealers, its so they can reach everybody with internet access who wants a SnapOn tool.
 

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Rare items are still up in value, but there is also a flood of promo items. I still see Brand new items you can buy off their website marked up 20% and people still buy them.
 

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No worries about that around here.

Local pawn has old beat-up Snap-On that they still think is worth gold. $90 for an S832 (advertised as "NEW IS $140!).

If I'm not mistaken, that's a 32-tooth model that's a fair bit older than the current generation S80/S80A that sells for $140 new/retail.

This shop is fully barcoded/computerized, so there's no special decoder bits on the pricetag, but I'm going to say it's a fair bet they have far less than $45 in the ratchet.
 

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Not a silly thread BTW.

I've noticed the same...not just Snap-on but all the big tool names. I've been shopping for a toolbox myself and I've gotten many leads on boxes which were puchased a year or less ago...they got laid off...need to unload the box ASAP. Used boxes used to bring good money...trade value or better....now not so much. I've been amazed at what 800 bucks can buy you for a SnapOn box...you could barely get a teeny-tiny dented to **** top cabinet for that price a couple years ago.

In regards to warranty enforcement and sales...I think the two go hand in hand. If you have even somewhat of a relationship with a local truck, he's much more liable to replace your busted 9/16 socket even though you didnt get it from him, you are at least a customer. I bet some people have gotten burned by buying off eBay or what have you...and the first and only calls to the local truck is to warranty...In which case I couldnt blame them at all.

Lets not forget...SnapOn doesnt offer online sales to undercut its local dealers, its so they can reach everybody with internet access who wants a SnapOn tool.

I'd tend to agree that used prices have dropped, and for all the big names. People aren't spending the way they used to, and let's face it, people are trying harder now to save a buck. In some cases, they're selling their box because they know holds some value and can generate some extra money.

If you're shopping for a box, it certainly bears taking a look at Craigslist if you're in the market.
 

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If you're shopping for a box, it certainly bears taking a look at Craigslist if you're in the market.

Oh ya...I think I would have a box by now if my wife wouldnt have shut my shopping down. She's a stay at home mom who watches the news too much...scared about the economy, scared to spend...etc.. so I'll sit and be patient for a while longer. Not putting too much of a stink up on my end because it would just be in the way for now anyways (still insulating, sheetrocking, etc..)...so I'm still saving up and i'll probably have the money to buy a shiny new one when the time comes, so I'm COMPLETELY Ok with waiting..LOL

But I bet the whole negative economy is killing everything that costs more then 50 bucks.
 

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I think it has to do with the time of year ( Christmas bills, Tax return checks not out). Alot of the tool polishers that bid up prices to 90% of retail have moved on. I`m surprised that older ratchets 836- 936 lower teeth count bring 50-60% of new dual 80 prices.:headscrat
 

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Until like 6 months ago you could ship used tools to Snap-on in Kenonsia and they would send you new ones back no questions asked. Now Snap-on is enforcing that you must be the original owner. Sounds like you can call a few times and they will provide you replacement but after that they in some cases want proof of purchase. Unless you have a normal dealer there is no warranty for you unless you bought it new via a dealer or snapon.com.
 
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Until like 6 months ago you could ship used tools to Snap-on in Kenonsia and they would send you new ones back no questions asked. Now Snap-on is enforcing that you must be the original owner. Sounds like you can call a few times and they will provide you replacement but after that they in some cases want proof of purchase. Unless you have a normal dealer there is no warranty for you unless you bought it new via a dealer or snapon.com.

From personal experience this is totally false. :wtf:
 

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Until like 6 months ago you could ship used tools to Snap-on in Kenonsia and they would send you new ones back no questions asked. Now Snap-on is enforcing that you must be the original owner. Sounds like you can call a few times and they will provide you replacement but after that they in some cases want proof of purchase. Unless you have a normal dealer there is no warranty for you unless you bought it new via a deal or snapon.com.

I'm anxious to see how long this goes...IMO its gonna go over like a Fart in Church. The first mis-step SO has made in a long time.

So, my dad has worked 30+ years as a millwright, collected 2 toolboxes worth of SO tools exclusively...he passes away (hasnt yet, but he has retired and given me some tools I wanted/needed, just using an example here)....I'm now gonna be screwed?
OR another situation I would personally be in...just gonna highlight a few..
-Hard Handled Screwdriver set...I remember getting them for Christmas many moons ago. My bro got a set too... I didnt buy em...sounds like if they enforce the policy to the T, I should have asked for Craftsman screwdrivers instead. I got my Ratcheting Soft Grip screwdriver as a Birthday gift...
-Personally I last visited the SO truck 5 years ago now...I know the dealer has changed, twice I think actually now...I didnt keep any reciepts, never had to before, so now I'll have a drawer full of worthless/non-warrantyable sockets? I spent 4-5,000 bucks with him back in the day...and I'm a techie guy/hobbiest...way to kick me in the teeth SO.

IMO Sounds like I'm blessed to have an Awesome MAC guy...stepped foot on his truck for the first time in 5 years 3 weeks ago...now I'm back into being a full blown suffering tool-a-holic.

I guess this move bothers me because I got all of my tools legitimately...Purchased myself, Got as gifts, traded stuff for, etc... and now because of those people who bought pails of junk sockets for the sole purpose of getting them warrantied, I get caught in the crossfire.
 
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You care to elaborate what is false about this?

sounds like he did.... he said from personal experience.

how about you... from personal experience and not some thread discussions, has this happened to you?

i can tell you from my personal experience, in spite of a bunch of thread discussion and hand wringing and fear mongering, i've never had an issue from snapon.

....but, not that i blame them, i've seen so many people selling broken snapon items stating you can get them warrantied, and who knows... maybe those who ***** the loudest, snapon has a database of literally dozens of warranty requests from someone they have no record of ever buying 1 item!?
 
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I agree with prices being down also, especially on E-bay as I have a lot to sell. I'll be sitting on it until things improve. I have an excellent SO dealer that takes good care of me on anything I warranty. Im sure thats because I also buy a lot from him also, so if I show up with a bag of broken stuff thats older than I am there are no questions asked.
 

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You are dead wrong. The prices vary so much that it would make you think that.
I have a second had store and we sell tools as well as high end furniture.
I just picked up a professional garage estate. I am having an auction this weeked. I called all my friends who have plains at the airport and they came in and bough half of the shop at prices I have never gotten before.

Over the past 10 years the prices on Snap-on used tools has more than doubled. At one time you could get the 7 piece set of Sanp-on 4 way wrenches for about $65 including shipping. Now they are bring $150 and up plus shiping. Many common things go cheap if you look long and hard.

The other truck brands have stayed the same in price. Snap-on is the only tools that I carry that have gone up during this recession.

This last business I picked up will net tripple what I paid. It has lifts and all in the business.

You can't give a good Cornwell tool away. I sell them for the same price I do C man tools.

Keep looking and you will see huge prices given for Snap-on.
The other day on E bay a 154 piece tool set that sears has on sale for $99.99 today sold for $247.99. I don't get it but it did. I saved the listing.

Buyer be ware is all I have to say. There are so many young mechanics going to these trade schools which are pure **** and over pirced. They get it in thier heads to buy Snap-on. Snap-on sells to them at half price. I know because I have a friend that was teaching at one of the schools.

Welcome to the real world. Anything is only worth what you can get for it at any given time. I have been buying and selling sense 1962. For the most part thngs are selling for less than I paid for them 30 years ago to resell. Snap-on is the only exception.
 
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So, my dad has worked 30+ years as a millwright, collected 2 toolboxes worth of SO tools exclusively...he passes away (hasnt yet, but he has retired and given me some tools I wanted/needed, just using an example here)....I'm now gonna be screwed?
You expect a free replacement on a tool that has a date code from when you were in diapers? Yeah, by the letter of their warranty, you're screwed. I recommend he warranty as many as possible for you while he's alive. :)
 

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You expect a free replacement on a tool that has a date code from when you were in diapers? Yeah, by the letter of their warranty, you're screwed. I recommend he warranty as many as possible for you while he's alive. :)

Short Answer...Yup....Isnt a quality tool SUPPOSED To be handed down? Heck I want to say I remember a scene of a Father handing down a SnapOn wrench or other SO tool to his son plastered on the liftgate of a couple SnapOn trucks....forgot the saying, but for some reason thats sticking in my head.

What about tools which were purchased new and given to me as gifts?

My dad never drank or smoked...but when he got onto a SnapOn truck I suspect it was similar to giving a drunk a limitless credit card and dropping him off a the corner bar... :bounce:
He would give my brother and I tools just so he could buy a new replacement...or buy like 15 file handles when he only had 10 files...just in case he got 5 more files. The whole time he was collecting tools, he would tell my mom "its for the boys".

That being said...for sentimental reasons, I dont think i'd ever warrany ANY tool which he engraved...his name is on 2 of my Snappy Adjustables...even if they broke, they will always be mine.
 

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Considering that there is ZERO warranty on SO tools if purchased used, it's not surprising that they've lost some luster.
I am waiting now on the argument that because of warranty it makes sense to pay double to get it new.
 

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So I went searching for that Scene...but found this pic on Toolmonger about which is off the SnapOn site at around fathers day 2009 ...
fathers-day-snap-on.jpg

So, if the 7 year old son buys a tool for his dad...he better keep the reciept and have the SnapOn guy visit him in school to do the warranty...or they can wait for summer break and then the SnapOn truck can swing by the Day Care. See what I mean...it doesnt make sense.
 

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Then your son can spend a career endlessly worrying if something is in warranty 50 yrs from now, could have replaced it a couple times with sk and a dozen, maybe more with a Sears,,, hahahaha
 

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Yeah, I think there are many good quality tools other than Snap-On selling for less money. I have become a Snap-On tool owner recently because of the lowered prices.

But it really boils down to "value." Your own definition of value determines what a good price is for anything. There are many different definitions of "value" such as value in utility, value in resale value, value in something to show off to others . . . etc. and the list goes on.

I won't argue why someone buys something because they have their own reasons, but I think reality is setting in for used Snap-On tools.

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i find it hilarious that people make all sorts of posts on conjecture and hearsay about snapons warranty

and making comments about .... "oh well, if my sons son can't warranty a tool 43 years from now, well that's it, yup, snapons tool value is going down, not buying any of that **** since they changed their policy!"

ARE YOU F'ING KIDDING ME???

Clearly that type of logic shows you aren't a tech and you aren't buying tools for the right reason. (if in fact you really even buy anything)

I buy tools from various companies, I USE AND ABUSE THEM. If they break I warranty them. Hell, even snapon warrantied sockets that clearly they shouldn't have from me as it was clear i used chrome on an impact.

I'm 21, the last thing that enters my mind when i buy a tool is ... gee will my son get a warranty some decade in the future??? No, it's because I need the tool for the job from a company that makes the best damn tool in my mind for the price (whatever company).

Seriously, some guy who is disgruntled and starts a thread because he didn't get something warrantied (for who knows the real reason) and this gets rehashed time and time again... tell you what, show me real examples of where this happened to you.
 
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Seriously, some guy who is disgruntled and starts a thread because he didn't get something warrantied (for who knows the real reason) and this gets rehashed time and time again... tell you what, show me real examples of where this happened to you.

I started the thread, and I'm not disgruntled. I've bought SO used and new, and have never been denied warranty, or even had a tiny bit of trouble with them for that matter.

The reason for the thread is because I used to enjoy buying and selling used SO, and that seems to be getting harder and harder, and I've heard others repeat the sentiment, so I thought it might merit a discussion.
 

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I started the thread, and I'm not disgruntled. I've bought SO used and new, and have never been denied warranty, or even had a tiny bit of trouble with them for that matter.

The reason for the thread is because I used to enjoy buying and selling used SO, and that seems to be getting harder and harder, and I've heard others repeat the sentiment, so I thought it might merit a discussion.

i got the gist of your thread here i.e. your perception of snapon resale value, unfortunately it just took a left turn from the same old, same old story.
 

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IMO, the lower prices are due to the proliferation of the Snap-On BOGO deals. Much easier to stay on top of these and spread the news via GJ.

Snap-On list prices are so inflated but most of us have learned to wait for a deal. I am sure somebody out there pays list, like Uncle Sam, but the big list price gives SO room to do all the student pricing and BOGO deals and whatever latest Vegas promotion they are doing.

A lot of us here that have access to a truck will buy the BOGO and blow out what we don't need to defray the net cost of what we want to keep. A lot of this ends up on ebay.

I used to buy and sell a lot of SO tools but haven't done so in awhile. When I did get tools I would try and sell them ASAP, because I couldn't keep track of the BOGO and it was like juggling a hot potato. You think you can get a certain price for something like a F80 but all of a sudden there is a flood of them because of some BOGO deal.
 

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Clearly that type of logic shows you aren't a tech and you aren't buying tools for the right reason. (if in fact you really even buy anything)

I buy tools from various companies, I USE AND ABUSE THEM. If they break I warranty them. Hell, even snapon warrantied sockets that clearly they shouldn't have from me as it was clear i used chrome on an impact.


Nope, not a tech...never claimed to be. I buy plenty of all sorts...got MAC Reciept dated yesterday I can show you if it makes you feel any better. And yes I buy them for the right reason...because I WANT them.

Warrantying my dad's tools is not cool, but warrantying a tool purposely used in an incorrect manner is completely OK. 10-4...Got it.
 

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IMO, the lower prices are due to the proliferation of the Snap-On BOGO deals. Much easier to stay on top of these and spread the news via GJ.

Snap-On list prices are so inflated but most of us have learned to wait for a deal. I am sure somebody out there pays list, like Uncle Sam, but the big list price gives SO room to do all the student pricing and BOGO deals and whatever latest Vegas promotion they are doing.

A lot of us here that have access to a truck will buy the BOGO and blow out what we don't need to defray the net cost of what we want to keep. A lot of this ends up on ebay.

I used to buy and sell a lot of SO tools but haven't done so in awhile. When I did get tools I would try and sell them ASAP, because I couldn't keep track of the BOGO and it was like juggling a hot potato. You think you can get a certain price for something like a F80 but all of a sudden there is a flood of them because of some BOGO deal.

You hit the nail on the head. :thumbup:

While Snap-on's list price has had the customary 1-2% annual increase, the "real" cost of the tools has decreased thru the franchised dealer sales channel. I have just about every common socket set in metric from 1/4 thru 1/2" drive on my truck at a promo price from anywhere to 25%-50% off of list depending on the package that you buy. They have been including a lot of ratchets in these BOGO deals so its not surprised that there are number of deals popping up in the aftermarket selling new ratchets at a substantial discount from list price.

I would have to say that resale value is not a very big consideration to the majority of my customers.
 

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Considering that there is ZERO warranty on SO tools if purchased used, it's not surprising that they've lost some luster.

Assuming you don't spend thousands with your local dealer, this is correct. A guy that works on his car in his home garage can't spend that kind of money on used SO especially without a warranty.
 

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Nope, not a tech...never claimed to be. I buy plenty of all sorts...got MAC Reciept dated yesterday I can show you if it makes you feel any better. And yes I buy them for the right reason...because I WANT them.

Warrantying my dad's tools is not cool, but warrantying a tool purposely used in an incorrect manner is completely OK. 10-4...Got it.

yes... please show me where YOU didn't get the warranty, because it appears everyone else is talking theory

you know... well some people would call that ********.... so yes, please show me
 

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I'm not trying to add fuel to this thread going off topic, but here's a thread with a letter a member received from Snap-on when he tried to warranty some tools. He sent some tools in and they sent the old tools back to him with this letter. They may not do this to you every time, but it could happen.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145787

I had sent in some tool's a couple week's ago to get replaced (needle nose & some screwdriver blades) and they sent the tool's back with this letter in the box.

I dont have an issue with the new warranty processing policy they state in the letter, except for the proof of purchase bit.
Reason being I do keep invoices & reciepts, but when I had bought stuff off the truck before and paid cash, I usually did not get one. And I never got one when the tool was a gift (which a little bit of my stuff was).
 
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I'm not trying to add fuel to this thread going off topic, but here's a thread with a letter a member received from Snap-on when he tried to warranty some tools. He sent some tools in and they sent the old tools back to him with this letter. They may not do this to you every time, but it could happen.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145787

yup, remember it well

and that is the one i referenced above

like I said, we don't know what the whole story is behind this


but, this one case has been used to build a whole conspiracy theory with everyone weighing in, but have had ZERO experience indicating any problem getting a warranty

so the point of my posts is to have those who have so much to say about the warranty issue, demonstrate how they have been personally affected...

otherwise... well you know
 

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yes... please show me where YOU didn't get the warranty, because it appears everyone else is talking theory

you know... well some people would call that ********.... so yes, please show me

I have never been denied any warrany on any truck...theory completely. But thats one of the reasons I buy off trucks...no hassle. IF I were to get hassled about it...then time to change brands.

Pic attached...names edited out to protect the innocent and not so innocent. Shows that I also pay cash on the barrel head, and the truck now owes ME 74 cents...:bounce: Reciept from the extension set I got (BOGO) and posted about in the MAC thread here...
 

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yup, remember it well

and that is the one i referenced above

like I said, we don't know what the whole story is behind this


but, this one case has been used to build a whole conspiracy theory with everyone weighing in, but have had ZERO experience indicating any problem getting a warranty

so the point of my posts is to have those who have so much to say about the warranty issue, demonstrate how they have been personally affected...

otherwise... well you know

The same member in that thread posted it on another forum, and a well-known member there claimed the same thing happened to him.

It's never happened to me, but I haven't warrantied a Snap-on tool in a while. I'm actually not personally taking a stand if it's "right" or "wrong."
 

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I have never been denied any warrany on any truck

so what's the problem with the warranty???

exactly

(by the way, i don't get the point of your receipt, so you pay cash for tools, it's really not relevant to getting a snapon warranty on tools you didn't buy.)
 
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