i just bought a brand new snap on tool box cost me almost 10grand. when i bought this box i got it in extreme green and was told i could get the paint code. so i could paint my side lockers to match. well since then i have been given 2 paint codes and called everywhere in north carolina and no one can make it. called the paint manufacture and they said that they did not have a forumla for that paint code. i even pulled the drawer out and carried it to get it scanned and the camera will not recognise it due to the powder coat or the additive that snap on has put in this paint. now i have a 10,000 tool box that is green and 2 red sidelockers. i can get the paint directly threw snap on for 23 dollers a 12 oz. spray can but that would cost about 300bucks. anyone have any ideas where i can find this magic paint?
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The PPG number isnt on the Sticker?
Courtesy of Georgia Hybrid from a Previous Post
These are the ones that I know of for Snap-on
Color -- Wet Spray Paint Code-- PPG Powder Coat Code
Candy Apple Red: -- PPG Ditzler 902979 -- PCU-60137
Electric Orange: -- PPG Ditzler 906121 -- PCU-30132
Extreme Green: -- PPG Ditzler 906120 -- PCU-40124
Lime Green (custom order)-- PPG Ditzler 902980
Royal Blue: -- PPG Ditzler 19026 -- PCU-50134
Cranberry: -- PPG Ditzler 51797 -- PCU-60139
Snap-on Red: -- PPG Ditzler 73504 -- AR320 Resin
Black: -- PPG Ditzler 9895 (9300) -- PCU-90200
Ultra Yellow: -- PPG Ditzler 84199 -- PCU-30115
Green Mica: -- PPG Ditzler 47767 -- PCU-43100
Deep Purple: -- PPG Ditzler 52560 -- PCU-60122
Artic Silver: -- PPG Ditzler 910517 -- PCU-73120
These are the ones that I know of for Snap-on
Color -- Wet Spray Paint Code-- PPG Powder Coat Code
Candy Apple Red: -- PPG Ditzler 902979 -- PCU-60137
Electric Orange: -- PPG Ditzler 906121 -- PCU-30132
Extreme Green: -- PPG Ditzler 906120 -- PCU-40124
Lime Green (custom order)-- PPG Ditzler 902980
Royal Blue: -- PPG Ditzler 19026 -- PCU-50134
Cranberry: -- PPG Ditzler 51797 -- PCU-60139
Snap-on Red: -- PPG Ditzler 73504 -- AR320 Resin
Black: -- PPG Ditzler 9895 (9300) -- PCU-90200
Ultra Yellow: -- PPG Ditzler 84199 -- PCU-30115
Green Mica: -- PPG Ditzler 47767 -- PCU-43100
Deep Purple: -- PPG Ditzler 52560 -- PCU-60122
Artic Silver: -- PPG Ditzler 910517 -- PCU-73120
Hmm... How did they paint the box then.
I would try another ppg dealer. I know Orielly Auto parts carries there Products. Ill check my local stores tomorrow to see if i can help you.rsanter
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go see a real pro of a painter
they can match the stuff by eye
bob
they can match the stuff by eye
bob
Might be a locked code that can't be sold to anyone but Snap-on. Locking suppliers into those kinds of arrangements is fairly common for custom stuff.
i tried several dealers heat even called the ppg main office.. no luck ev en tried to get some people from dupont to cross referance it and they couldnt. i called snap on and they said they would look into it and created a case said they might give me a discount on some cans but that is gonna be like 15 cans to paint that. i would really appreciate it if ya would check the stores in your area hiball being i am alomost out of options..
Very Well Could be, I would think if that was the Case they wouldnt even post the Color Code's etc..
Very True.. Any Paint Professional worth his weight in Gold should be able to Mix up a batch for you.
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mrshaun
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i will email around, but this one might be difficult.
So they can sell box owners the correct refinish cans for $23 a pop. I'd already be somewhat pissed handing over that much cash for a rattle can. If it didn't match I'd go ballistic
TheGrooveking
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I would be talking to the Snap On dealer who sold it to me under the premise that you could get the paint for the lockers. If he/she could not resolve it, I would start talking thru a lawyer. A good legal proctologist has a way of getting people/companies to do things they normally won't.
TheGrooveking
TheGrooveking
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ANY automotive paint supplier can mix the color for you. They have software/scanner that scan the paint like a computer scanner and will give a mix formula that will match within 99.5% of the original.
As for the original code, You must be calling all the wrong people because Ive painted quite a few cabinets for fellow workers over the years and have never had an issue with the original PPG paint code formulas. The places you are calling must be looking it up wrong or just don't feel like messing with you. Because they are listed by PPG, and even if they where not, they could scan one of the drawers to get the mix formula.
Also keep in mind automotive paint is not cheap. Your looking at a minimum of $300 for materials if you go with the PPG Ditzler 2k urethane. But it will be much better quality then what Snap-on sells in rattle cans. Keep in mind that your tool box is NOT painted. It is powder coated. Powder coat is much stronger then auto paint, and auto paint is much stronger then rattle can paint.
The reason is because rattle can's don't have a catalyst (hardener) they dry by air. so any chemicals such as brake fluid, thinner or gas will wash them off. Automotive paint is 2k, meaning it have two components. It drys by a chemical reaction from the inside out, thus making it very resistant to solvents.
If your interested & local, I would be willing to paint your boxes to match for you for around $300 (labor & materials) depending on size & condition.
If not I happy to help you pick out a paint that fits your quality and budget needs, and get the correct color mixed up. Just PM me.
As for the original code, You must be calling all the wrong people because Ive painted quite a few cabinets for fellow workers over the years and have never had an issue with the original PPG paint code formulas. The places you are calling must be looking it up wrong or just don't feel like messing with you. Because they are listed by PPG, and even if they where not, they could scan one of the drawers to get the mix formula.
Also keep in mind automotive paint is not cheap. Your looking at a minimum of $300 for materials if you go with the PPG Ditzler 2k urethane. But it will be much better quality then what Snap-on sells in rattle cans. Keep in mind that your tool box is NOT painted. It is powder coated. Powder coat is much stronger then auto paint, and auto paint is much stronger then rattle can paint.
The reason is because rattle can's don't have a catalyst (hardener) they dry by air. so any chemicals such as brake fluid, thinner or gas will wash them off. Automotive paint is 2k, meaning it have two components. It drys by a chemical reaction from the inside out, thus making it very resistant to solvents.
If your interested & local, I would be willing to paint your boxes to match for you for around $300 (labor & materials) depending on size & condition.
If not I happy to help you pick out a paint that fits your quality and budget needs, and get the correct color mixed up. Just PM me.
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Toolhorder
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Come on really??? The world has enough dumb lawsuits.
Vinko
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It seems like for what you paid to your local SO guy, he should be at least helping you find a source (if he hasn't been doing so).
Theloniousmonk
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THIS, right here...
rsanter
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are you sure that the original snap on coating is actually powdercoating? or is it powderpaint. there may not be alot of difference but there is some
bob
bob
chopper1
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I have a call into a friend at PPG that has a lot of pull. I'll see if he can do any good.
Pro-Painter
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The OP is right, This is hard paint to track down.
Not all PPG suppliers have the mix formula. Only the suppliers that carry the ppg "ditzler" line have it. (very few) And not all of them have the correct mix formula. Only select suppliers are allowed to carry the snap-on formulas, and they are not allowed to mix them in any other type or brand of paint other then the PPG ditzler. And they won't give you the formula.. I tired.
Also, because the color is such a bright neon, most normal auto paint suppliers can't even mix it. They don't even have a basemaker that will allow for such a bright neon color.
I only found one place local that can get it and they are a wholesale supply shop only. Without a business or tax ID number, you can't buy from them.
However, TCPglobal.com can get the paint. It's not on their web site, but they can order the supplies needed and mix the color. It will take a couple of weeks and costs about $350 per quart kit (qt color, qt reducer, 8oz activator) Buy they can atleast get the color.
I say paint the whole set a different color. The 70's mopar lime green color is close to the snap on color, and it's sold by many manufactures as a factory pre-mixed color.
Not all PPG suppliers have the mix formula. Only the suppliers that carry the ppg "ditzler" line have it. (very few) And not all of them have the correct mix formula. Only select suppliers are allowed to carry the snap-on formulas, and they are not allowed to mix them in any other type or brand of paint other then the PPG ditzler. And they won't give you the formula.. I tired.
Also, because the color is such a bright neon, most normal auto paint suppliers can't even mix it. They don't even have a basemaker that will allow for such a bright neon color.
I only found one place local that can get it and they are a wholesale supply shop only. Without a business or tax ID number, you can't buy from them.
However, TCPglobal.com can get the paint. It's not on their web site, but they can order the supplies needed and mix the color. It will take a couple of weeks and costs about $350 per quart kit (qt color, qt reducer, 8oz activator) Buy they can atleast get the color.
I say paint the whole set a different color. The 70's mopar lime green color is close to the snap on color, and it's sold by many manufactures as a factory pre-mixed color.
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I needed to paint a locker plain old Snap-on red, (due to damage to the door,) and also had a bit of trouble finding a place that could match that. My local PPG guy could pull up the formula, but was missing one of the needed colors for the blend. A larger auto-body supply shop was able to mix it. They did have a couple of options available in terms of paint quality. I chose the best quality PPG available, and if I recall, everything was under $200 for a quart, including the activator and reducer.
No way would I go the rattle can route; you will not get the quality or durability you want. I know used green lockers don't hit the market too often, (if at all), but you could always sell the red ones and buy green ones. You can probably get around $800 -$1k each for the red ones. Or stay with the Christmas theme.
No way would I go the rattle can route; you will not get the quality or durability you want. I know used green lockers don't hit the market too often, (if at all), but you could always sell the red ones and buy green ones. You can probably get around $800 -$1k each for the red ones. Or stay with the Christmas theme.
well the so guy told me i could get some paint to paint them. to be honest i wish i kept my old box now. i finally got the touch up paint that he orderd me so i am gonna carry that to the paint store and see what they can match up.. are all the colors this hard to find paint for? i might trade the damn thing in on one i can get paint for.
Catamount
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I would not even consider painting those side lockers. Original powdercoat can be re-powdered over at least once.
That is, if you could find the matching powder, your local powdercoater would be able to re-coat your lockers without any real prep work except for running some wax remover over them.
They just pre-heat them, re-spray them and then back them as normal. You'd be out the door for a couple hundred bucks max.
Finding the matching Extreme Green powder may be difficult, but it would surely be much less than what you're looking at spending right now on paint, prep, etc and just as durable as the original finish.
That is, if you could find the matching powder, your local powdercoater would be able to re-coat your lockers without any real prep work except for running some wax remover over them.
They just pre-heat them, re-spray them and then back them as normal. You'd be out the door for a couple hundred bucks max.
Finding the matching Extreme Green powder may be difficult, but it would surely be much less than what you're looking at spending right now on paint, prep, etc and just as durable as the original finish.
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Pro-Painter
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Never quoted any powder coating work before, have you? Powder coating is very expensive and impossible to custom match colors. You can't mix up colors of powder like you do paint. They are manufactured a certain color. To get the matching powder you would have to contact Snap-on and buy it from them or their supplier.
I know from experience that it costs $450 to powder coat a sport bike frame, $150 for a 17x10 aluminum wheel, & $100 for tubular upper control arms and all of them where cleaned and either sand or bead blasted before being dropped off for powder coating.
I can only guess at the cost of having a whole cabinet done, but I bet it would be well over $1000 if dropped off assembled and not clean.
You got to think, an oven large enough to hold a tool cabinet would cost over $50,000 not to mention a $10,000 paint booth, and a gun powerful enough to to keep an even electric charge through out the whole cabinet and have a wide spray. It's an expensive business to get started in and they charge accordingly..
Speaking of,
Someone else on here asked about powder paint vs powder coat, To answer your question, typically they are the same thing. The term "powder paint" is used out of term much too often. But realistically they are two types of coatings.
Powder coating uses a electric charge to draw current to the part to be coated, and evenly coats the part before being cured in an oven at 400*F. Powder coat takes very little talent to spray because the electric current will pull the power to the low or uneven places.
Powder paint, is used on non conductive parts such as wood or plastic. Powder paint sprays like normal paint but is a heavy powder and cures at only 200*F It don't not use a current to apply the powder.
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chopper1
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My friend from PPG just got back to work today after vacation. He did some checking and here's his rely.
Mike,No luck with this color. For some reason there is no refinish formula filed. My guess is that since this color was probably developed by our industrial group, not automotive, it was never requested to have an automotive aftermarket match.
Mike,No luck with this color. For some reason there is no refinish formula filed. My guess is that since this color was probably developed by our industrial group, not automotive, it was never requested to have an automotive aftermarket match.
" If your interested & local, I would be willing to paint your boxes to match for you for around $300 (labor & materials) depending on size & condition.
If not I happy to help you pick out a paint that fits your quality and budget needs, and get the correct color mixed up. Just PM me. "
$300 would be a VERY cost effective way to make this headache go away.
If not I happy to help you pick out a paint that fits your quality and budget needs, and get the correct color mixed up. Just PM me. "
$300 would be a VERY cost effective way to make this headache go away.
Todd.Brock
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i would have found my way to Pro Painter's shop by now.... Im all for DIY, but all the hardener, reducer, activator, catalyst stuff makes about as much sense as computer networking to me...
Catamount
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I am just now seeing your response to my reply.
Actually, I do a lot of powdercoating myself. For large items, I farm it out to a guy down the road who has a commercial PC business. I had him do a motorcycle frame for me and it cost me $150... sounds like you're overpaying!
You may be a "Pro Painter" but you're definitely not a "Pro Reader". Did you even read the original thread? He's not PC-ing a large cabinet, he's doing the side lockers. My guy would pre-heat it, re-spray it and re-bake it for under $200 I'd guess.
A powder coated surface can be re-powdered right over again without being taken down to bare metal. The Snap on PCU colors are freely available online and can be ordered from several powder distributors, it's no great trade secret.
Next time you talk down to someone, know what you're talking about first.
Actually, I do a lot of powdercoating myself. For large items, I farm it out to a guy down the road who has a commercial PC business. I had him do a motorcycle frame for me and it cost me $150... sounds like you're overpaying!
You may be a "Pro Painter" but you're definitely not a "Pro Reader". Did you even read the original thread? He's not PC-ing a large cabinet, he's doing the side lockers. My guy would pre-heat it, re-spray it and re-bake it for under $200 I'd guess.
A powder coated surface can be re-powdered right over again without being taken down to bare metal. The Snap on PCU colors are freely available online and can be ordered from several powder distributors, it's no great trade secret.
Next time you talk down to someone, know what you're talking about first.
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Eagle Driver
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Catamount,
I was wondering of you could point me in the right direction in contacting your PC professional. I have a 70th Anniversary tool box that my dad left me and I wanted to refinish it.
Any help would be much appreciated. I live in Yorktown VA....not sure where your contact is and wether it would be worth the drive.
V/R
Eagle Driver
I was wondering of you could point me in the right direction in contacting your PC professional. I have a 70th Anniversary tool box that my dad left me and I wanted to refinish it.
Any help would be much appreciated. I live in Yorktown VA....not sure where your contact is and wether it would be worth the drive.
V/R
Eagle Driver
SpiderGearsMan
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if there is any pearl in the paint ...doesn't work too well
ianguilly
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Just like to bump this up. I have been trying to find someone who can make this color. After asking and getting a few spray out cards from painters i Know I had no luck. I went to a rep for my work paint supplier grindstead, and had him try and match it, gave him my tiny tuoch up bottle and he went on his way. He came back 2 days later and he had a pint for me and after applying some to a chip on my shop cart the color was almost dead match, but only a tade off. Tonight when I get home i'll post pic of a side by side comparison and a pic of it on the cart
pilotman81
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Hey, ianguilly, did you get any pics? If so, would you post them or PM me with them? I am thinking about doing some refinish work on one of my older SO boxes and my road box. I would love to be able to get a reasonably priced close match for the extreme green.
ianguilly
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The craftsman box on top was painted. The picture males it look better. In person it is more yellow.
BodymanRuss518
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I am going to solve this problem for everyone once and for all!...
I work at a large Collision shop that uses PPG water ( waterbased automotive ) paint, and I bought a Snappy box last year, a KRL1033 w a Workstation Riser, and I was also gonna buy some lockers and paint them up, so I put the painter to task, and it was quite simple for him, he scanned it with the spectrometer and came up with a match that had a 14 base, 20 is a dead on match anything below 10 is visible to the eye.
ANYWAY...lol....he sprayed a card of 045 New Kawasaki Green,...and WOW!,...I said mix me a pint,...sprayed an old Craftsman box to use as my bolt, nut, clip cart....and it looks Exactly the same to me,...and I have been a painter for 23 years,...along with being a bodyman,....I can do it all. If anyone would like to see pics or a verification of the code...pm me,.....I will see if I can get some pics posted here as well,....but find a shop that paints PPG Water and tell em you want a sprayout card of 045 NEW KAWASAKI GREEN............I think yall will be impressed!.......let me know what ya think!....
I work at a large Collision shop that uses PPG water ( waterbased automotive ) paint, and I bought a Snappy box last year, a KRL1033 w a Workstation Riser, and I was also gonna buy some lockers and paint them up, so I put the painter to task, and it was quite simple for him, he scanned it with the spectrometer and came up with a match that had a 14 base, 20 is a dead on match anything below 10 is visible to the eye.
ANYWAY...lol....he sprayed a card of 045 New Kawasaki Green,...and WOW!,...I said mix me a pint,...sprayed an old Craftsman box to use as my bolt, nut, clip cart....and it looks Exactly the same to me,...and I have been a painter for 23 years,...along with being a bodyman,....I can do it all. If anyone would like to see pics or a verification of the code...pm me,.....I will see if I can get some pics posted here as well,....but find a shop that paints PPG Water and tell em you want a sprayout card of 045 NEW KAWASAKI GREEN............I think yall will be impressed!.......let me know what ya think!....
Murphy4570
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Next time buy a red toolbox?
I had a couple of old (1989-90) Snap-On side lockers repainted, was easy as hell to get the right paint mixed up by the 1 man bodyshop next door....
I had a couple of old (1989-90) Snap-On side lockers repainted, was easy as hell to get the right paint mixed up by the 1 man bodyshop next door....
SpiderGearsMan
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If I need a tax number for wholesaler ..the girl in the office gives me the dealerships
works for SEMA show credentials as well
works for SEMA show credentials as well
92GreenYJ
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If you can spend 10k on a tool box, surely a few hundred on paint isn't that big of a deal.