To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Snap On tools

JMorrison4371

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 1, 2011
Messages
103
Location
Belton, SC
Ok just one simple question. This question is not meant to start kind of "disputes" as i've seen in other posts. It is just a simple question. Here goes.

Why are Snap On, and Mac, and Matco tools for that matter, so expensive?
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

2chipped

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 14, 2009
Messages
641
Location
Jesup Ga USA
A google search will tell you this more quickly for the lazy.
If sears would offer 140% of their current selection 50% better quality and come to your shop to sell and repair your tools with no interest on pay as you go.
Ask any tradesman ...plumbers and electricians if they shop at h.d or Lowes.
Its called service.


Sent from my Milestone PLUS using Tapatalk
 

hammergodthor

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 10, 2009
Messages
475
1. Expensive distribution method
2. The tools last forever (generations) and can get warrantied many times.
3. All the profit is made off the first sale. Any follow-up service (such as warranty shipping, etc.) must be covered by the initial cost of that tool.

I'm sure there are many other opinions, but these are mine. :beer:
 

canuckian

Well-known member
Joined
May 7, 2009
Messages
4,103
Location
East coast of Canaaada
You pay for higher quality tools (in most cases), great warranty service and also built into the cost is the tool truck guy that comes to your place of business so you don't have to bring your busted tools to a store for warranty and so you can walk 20 feet from your work area and buy the tools you need to make money at your job.
Tool truck tools are marketed to professionals that make money with them and need the services the trucks provide. Joe Q. Public who wants quality tools at bargain basement prices doesn't fit into their business plan and they're not going to lower their prices to suit him/her. Some of the tool truck companies have online stores that people without truck service can buy their tools. Snap on is one example. The only thing the online service isn't is a truck and a driver at your door. Other than that, they provide the same service to the customer. Warranty service and tool quality is still the same.
IMHO, that's why they're more expensive.
 

mofo62

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 4, 2009
Messages
917
Location
Perù
.



for this...

Quality 100% :thumbup:

m4-1.jpg

m7-1.jpg

m2-1.jpg


V!
 

jjjrmx5

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 30, 2010
Messages
3,431
Location
Cincinnati, OH
You pay for higher quality tools (in most cases), great warranty service and also built into the cost is the tool truck guy that comes to your place of business so you don't have to bring your busted tools to a store for warranty and so you can walk 20 feet from your work area and buy the tools you need to make money at your job.
Tool truck tools are marketed to professionals that make money with them and need the services the trucks provide. Joe Q. Public who wants quality tools at bargain basement prices doesn't fit into their business plan and they're not going to lower their prices to suit him/her. Some of the tool truck companies have online stores that people without truck service can buy their tools. Snap on is one example. The only thing the online service isn't is a truck and a driver at your door. Other than that, they provide the same service to the customer. Warranty service and tool quality is still the same.
IMHO, that's why they're more expensive.

canuckian FTW!!!

I couldn't have said it better.

Professional grade tools usually sold to professionals meant to stand up to the rigors of professional use and often harsh environments.
That comes with a price and once you add the weekly door to door convenience and a profit for the driver, the price becomes apparent.

The truck accounts go back to the beginning of the century when stores used to give families ccounts for groceries and bigger purchases get corporate involved.

B2B selling has it's perks, but also can be costly for it's added convenience but those costs are seldom equalled or utilized by the small volume buyer or home weekend wrencher.
 
Last edited:

Jagmandave

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 6, 2011
Messages
6,302
Location
Overland Park, Ks.
As someone posted, the tools don't just last for years, they last for generations!

Some of mine are approaching 50 years old and still look like new - and I made my living with them for almost 30 years.....
 

BigAl62

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 18, 2011
Messages
2,286
Location
suburbs of Chicago
If you want the best, you have to be prepared to pay their prices, it's that simple. BTW, I recently inherited a set of 1/2" drive Snap On SAE 12 point sockets, extensions and a ratchet. All the date codes are from 1950 to 1965 and ALL the tools still work! None of the sockets are rounded out, the extensions still hold sockets with no problems and all I had to do to the ratchet was disassemble, clean, lube and reassemble and it's as good as new! I also got some Craftsman ratchets from the same time period and while they work, they feel like they're older and a bit more worn out. So again I say you pay more for the best! (and I do not drink any specific companies kool-aid, I buy from ALL!)
 
Last edited:

GoBlue

Well-known member
Joined
May 10, 2011
Messages
1,070
Location
Under a car...swearing
I dont agree that they are the best in all cases. I will say that for the most part Matco and Snap-on are among the best. Not Mac...at least not anymore.

The reason Snap on, Matco, and Mac are so expensive is because the financing is built into the price. Also built into the price is the cost for that big truck to drive around, the deadbeats who dont pay, and warranty. You will pay a lot of money when you buy your tools from a finance company...and it has very little to do with quality...look at Mac...same price as the others...but for the most part they offer a lower quality product.
 

wornoutoldman

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 9, 2010
Messages
4,263
Location
Conover WI "God's Country"
As someone posted, the tools don't just last for years, they last for generations!

Some of mine are approaching 50 years old and still look like new - and I made my living with them for almost 30 years.....

I have had tools (Snap on) that I have sold for multiples of what I paid for them (20 plus years ago) after they delivered decades of service and paid for themselves many times over. :beer:
 

GoBlue

Well-known member
Joined
May 10, 2011
Messages
1,070
Location
Under a car...swearing
I agree with you, but keep in mind people can say the same thing about Proto/plomb, blackhawk, craftsman, sk etc...and they cost no where near what the truck brands do.
 

woody 73

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 14, 2009
Messages
11,542
Location
The Great State Up North
I believe Virgin Fairies sprinkling gold dust help to drive up the cost!!!
But a much easier explanation would be the Fantastic Service after the sale has ended.:beer:
 

GoBlue

Well-known member
Joined
May 10, 2011
Messages
1,070
Location
Under a car...swearing
Thats not set in stone though. The only decent service i and the rest of the guys in my area get is from Matco...thats up to the individual dealer.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

impactims

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 24, 2011
Messages
1,168
The best service, the best product.

Snap on tools are built to the best of specs and tolerances and you pay for that.
 

Fedwrench

ALLIANCE MEMBER
Joined
Dec 9, 2007
Messages
14,952
Location
Valley of the sun
Why are Snap On, and Mac, and Matco tools for that matter, so expensive?

1. truck to you service.
2. the ability to pay weekly payments while you earn money with your tools. usually interest free on the truck account
3. cutting edge tool designs, flank drive plus, 80 tooth ratchets, diagnostic tool development.
4. a wider selection of unique sizes and specialty tools not found in other places.
5.although the quality gap has closed somewhat, tools meant to stand up to sustained hard daily use.
 

ol'Red

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 17, 2011
Messages
121
Snapon man told me once "your not paying for your tools, your paying for thoose who didn't pay for their tools"
But alot of factors play in to the pricing, however unlike NIKE were you pay $$$$ for a cheap shoe with a "name brand" most of snapons stuff is as quality as it gets.
I make my living off my tools, but for DIYer there's has to be some major sticker shock the first time on the truck.
 

ol'Red

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 17, 2011
Messages
121
Snapon man told me once "your not paying for your tools, your paying for thoose who didn't pay for their tools"
But alot of factors play in to the pricing, however unlike NIKE were you pay $$$$ for a cheap shoe with a "name brand" most of snapons stuff is as quality as it gets.
I make my living off my tools, but for DIYer there's has to be some major sticker shock the first time on the truck.
 
OP
J

JMorrison4371

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 1, 2011
Messages
103
Location
Belton, SC
okay that does explain alot. One other question for you guys. Is it true that Snap On is the only company that stamps their wrenches out of a steel bar? My local Snap On rep was telling me about this and I watched an episode of "How It's Made" on youtube about making combo wrenches and I noticed that after the wrench was completed they stamped Snap On on it. Does any other company make their wrenches like this?
 

ericedelman

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 16, 2008
Messages
106
I'm a DIY'er with a big KRL roll cab full of snap-on tools.

1. Bits fit the fasteners better. Hex, torx, screwdrivers, etc....
2. More selection to get the correct tool for the job without having to make-do.
3. Safety.

Safety may seem like BS, but I have a story. A few years ago before I bought snap-on, I was taking off a bolt with a craftsman 3/8" flex ratchet and a longer extension, around 24" I think. No cheater bars or impacts used. The extension sheared, I fell forward and saw the pointy end go past the side of my head. Was the extension defective? Was it simply not up to the task? I don't know. But it's not the first craftsman tool I bought that broke under hard use.

Since then, I've replaced it all with snap-on and I have noticed that I have a lot fewer garage injuries than I used to get.
 

Lt CHEG

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 20, 2011
Messages
511
Location
Upstate NY
I'll add another thing to the think about - economies of scale. Snap On, Matco, Mac and Cornwell make certain tools that you can only get from them. By that I mean that those companies make certain specialty tools that aren't available from other outlets. Some of those specialty tools aren't sold in large quantities, after all if you're a GM tech and work almost exclusively on GM, you probably aren't going to have a lot of the tools that are specially made to make working on certain parts of Chryslers easier. When anything is produced in smaller quantity, the costs for research and development, tooling to produce the tools, setup time, etc. must be spread across a smaller number of items which means a higher unit price. So those specialty tools are bound to be expensive, but in all probability part of the cost for producing those specialty tools is also absorbed in the cost of the regular tools as well. When a company can get you to buy their specialty product that they make very little profit on and you like it, and it makes you money, then you're more likely to purchase more of their products which carry higher profit margins.

Add to this the things that have already been mentioned, such as excellent quality and fit and finish, tool truck delivery, etc. Another biggie that's been mentioned is the cost of financing right into the tool.

In the end, even though I rarely NEED a top notch tool like a Snap On or Matco, I take great pride in owning some of them and that makes them worth it to me. I don't have to drive around in a truck that's only a couple of years old because I buy a new one every four years, in fact it's not a good investment to do so. However, I enjoy the luxury and can afford the luxury of doing so and therefore I can value the higher cost. I consider my desire to add more top tier tools to my collection in the same light.
 

Wakefield

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 26, 2010
Messages
5,132
Location
Arlington VA (but would like to get out to country
okay that does explain alot. One other question for you guys. Is it true that Snap On is the only company that stamps their wrenches out of a steel bar? My local Snap On rep was telling me about this and I watched an episode of "How It's Made" on youtube about making combo wrenches and I noticed that after the wrench was completed they stamped Snap On on it. Does any other company make their wrenches like this?
I think most good tools such as Wright SK Matco Snap On-and some Taiwan- are made by putting solid or hot enough to be plastic but not runny steel under great force-possiby hammering to put it into near its final shape before cooling,machining,chroming,heat treating and such.
Cheap stuff might be made by pouring liquid metal into a mold to allow it to harden into its final form before cooling and final machining/plating/heat treatment. China tools?
I think that's the difference between forged and cast.
 

srmofo

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 15, 2009
Messages
6,161
Location
SW ohio
okay that does explain alot. One other question for you guys. Is it true that Snap On is the only company that stamps their wrenches out of a steel bar? My local Snap On rep was telling me about this and I watched an episode of "How It's Made" on youtube about making combo wrenches and I noticed that after the wrench was completed they stamped Snap On on it. Does any other company make their wrenches like this?

Snap on isnt the only company forging tools.

However here is some cool videos to watch

 
OP
J

JMorrison4371

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 1, 2011
Messages
103
Location
Belton, SC
those are some pretty cool videos. Didnt realize that Cornwell tools were practically handmade. I think Im gonna start buying them from now on. Thanks for the info and the videos
 

kxxr

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 25, 2011
Messages
504
Location
Big Sky Country
The Cornwell videos are great! The inspection at each step gives a defective tool a very slim chance of making it out of the factory alive. The process is impressive. I would be very curious to know what the turnover rate is for some of the more repetitive jobs that are so important to the final outcome. The polishers, for instance, how many days in a row could you do that before you started thinking about doing something else? I would think it could take months to master just that one step. Awesome videos!
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom