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1foxracing

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I've recently sold most of my Snap On stuff that Wright also manufactures. For what I sold my used Snap On stuff for I was able to purchase new Wright tools and still put cash in my pocket.
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I recently sold my Snap On 315SIMMYA 15pc metric deep wells for $200 (new are $400)
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...roup_ID=682298&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
Replaced with the Wright 467 16pc metric deep wells for $167.23
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002GK5D2W/?tag=atomicindus08-20
I don't like paying more then twice the price (& 1 less socket) so Snap On can give away some to a NASCAR team.

A funny story to add from today was a Snap On truck (tool man type but BIG) parked at the Wright Tool factory. Of all times NOT to have a camera with me.... My boss was driving and we were returning from lunch. That would have been a Hell of a funny picture to post! See even the Snap On guy knows were to get quality tools without being anally raped.
To be honest I have no idea if Mr Snap On was making a pick-up or a delivery. Maybe they do make stuff for one another?
 

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A few comments. The Craftsman, Gearwrench and SK wrenches could not be fairly compared to the Wright since, even upon visual inspection, they obviously lack the internal jaw configurations of the Wright tool. All that you have shown is that the internal serrations do allow the cap screw to be broken when sufficient torque is applied. The test has nothing to do with the brand, however. It is only the serrations in the jaw interior that make this possible.

Therefore, you could (surprise!) attain exactly the same result with a pipe wrench.

C'mon. Pipe wrenches and combination wrenches are apples and oranges. Can you use a combination wrench on pipe? Can you fit and clear a pipe wrench anywhere a combination wrench will fit?.

The purpose of the test isn't to break bolts. It's to see which open ends will grip and hold a bolt head without slipping under extreme pressure. The end result of which is to either spread the wrench and round the fastener or break the bolt.
 

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Despite having four flat sides only the two main jaws matter in turning/torque load. The V design is also inherently weaker and will permanently deform under repeated stressing faster than an arch so over the long haul you'll end up with oversized open ends. See photos.




And the bolt rolling out of the V.



And the wrench rounding.




It bears repeating Cornwell, along with MAC and Proto and a myriad of other manufacturers who don't offer fancy open ends, otherwise makes excellent wrenches. I've never had the box end of any of these manufacturers fail me and 9 times out of 10 that's what im using.

Thanks for these pics, skin. I was wondering how the old Bonney Hex-Fit OE's would do in this test. I don't use the OE for high torque situations, and I've never spread or broke a V-gullet tool. Though I have seen pics of them. Maybe I can scrounge up an old Bonney combo and send it to woodstock for testing.
 

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Wow....interesting....I am surprised that's as high as the go with FD+.....I know with my SAE WrightGRIPS, they go all the way to 1 1/4".

Just for clarification that's ratcheting wrenches that stop at 19mm and 3/4", which I only mentioned because they're a little longer, not their regular combos. FD+ standard combos go up to 25mm and
1-1/4".
 

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A few comments. The Craftsman, Gearwrench and SK wrenches could not be fairly compared to the Wright since, even upon visual inspection, they obviously lack the internal jaw configurations of the Wright tool. All that you have shown is that the internal serrations do allow the cap screw to be broken when sufficient torque is applied. The test has nothing to do with the brand, however. It is only the serrations in the jaw interior that make this possible.

Therefore, you could (surprise!) attain exactly the same result with a pipe wrench.

I have done a similar test, but not to break the bolt just strip the head.. And all of the brands you mention open up and strip a head, the serrations dont have anything to do with that.... The snappy and the wrights are both a better design and dont open up.. ANd its not just serrations making the difference in these wrench's

Its a damn fair test to show why someone should buy a better wrench.. Who really gives a **** why its better or if its freaking fair? The point is some are way better then others.. And price is close on most the brands you mention not being treated fair(except craftsman)....
 
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Nice videos thanks...if you get a chance do tbe same test woth the closed end and see if one slips that way the whole wrench is tested
 

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You do excellent reviews. Good clear well lit camera shots, no bitching up, studdering or mumbling. Easy to see results. Hope to see more of these type of tests.

Always said, Cornwell, MAC, and Proto, nicest looking full polish chrome in the industry today ;).

i dunno, SK has some shiny chrome, though they don't perform as well as Wright or Proto.
 

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The first snap-on tool I ever bought was a tappet wrench to adjust the lifters on a BMW S14.

The cheaper tappet wrench I had bought at harbor freight was too thick to do the job without taking the cylinder head apart.

So yeah, I have proof, even if he doesn't.

That's a dimensional problem unrelated to his claim.
 

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I have done a similar test, but not to break the bolt just strip the head.. And all of the brands you mention open up and strip a head, the serrations dont have anything to do with that.... The snappy and the wrights are both a better design and dont open up.. ANd its not just serrations making the difference in these wrench's

Its a damn fair test to show why someone should buy a better wrench.. Who really gives a **** why its better or if its freaking fair? The point is some are way better then others.. And price is close on most the brands you mention not being treated fair(except craftsman)....

To support your assertion, you need to remove the serrations from the Wright tool and run the same test. If the serrations are immaterial (which I doubt), then the head won't strip, as you claim. But I don't think you can support that claim.

The serrations are there for a district purpose.
 

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Thanks! I appreciate it....I do try and make videos that dont look like they were shot on-the-go with a cellphone :)



Thanks! Do you know where I could find one of those bolts? What do I look for?



Wow....thanks for the step-by-step photos....looks very similar to how the regular wrenches failed in my initial video.



A few more comments...

#1 - The last video was to show the differences between a regular combo wrench & the WrightGRIP....it was not a battle of the wrenches.

#2 - I think I showed fairly well that both the Snap-on & Wright do not slip....which was the intention to test.

#3 - It absolutely has to do with the brands, since they are ALL different with the internal serrations. If by simply adding serrations to the jaw, any brand could achieve these results.....then by that logic a $5 set of china wrenches from Wal-mart could do the same thing as a Snap-on.....I think not.



I suppose you could go as in-depth as possible if given the right equipment....but as far as a garage-style test, this is about as good as it gets. Also, as far as brand quality.....Snap-on & Wright are both top shelf.....Wright is not in the same league with store brands by any means.



Wow....interesting....I am surprised that's as high as the go with FD+.....I know with my SAE WrightGRIPS, they go all the way to 1 1/4".

Aren't you the guy that posted that impressive video regarding torque wrench conversions (or, how to multiply and divide by 12)?
 
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Aren't you the guy that posted that impressive video regarding torque wrench conversions (or, how to multiply and divide by 12)?


ATTENTION.....EVERYONE.....

We are all inferior to the all knowing & all powerful Steinmetz!!

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

Thank you for taking the time to complain....yet again....and again, and again, and again.....

I would almost get offended if I couldnt check your post history here & can plainly see you do nothing except complain. I bet your neighbors love you. :lol_hitti
 

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"......then by that logic a $5 set of china wrenches from Wal-mart could do the same thing as a Snap-on.....I think not…"

Do you have any proof? If not, it is only your belief.

Your primary claim seems to be that all wrenches are the same, and that any wrench from any manufacturer can do the same job as any other wrench designed for the same purpose.

You asked for 'proof' of the existence a set of circumstances where a Snap-On wrench could perform a job that a cheaper wrench couldn't. I can supply others. Like my old Craftsman flare nut wrenches that couldn't get a certain brake fitting off because the wrench opened up. The Snap-On set I borrowed did the job with no issue. Or the Craftsman bent-nose pliers that couldn't disengage a certain clip on a BMW transmission with limited access, again because the jaws weren't stiff enough, but the Matco pliers I borrowed from the same friend did the job, again with no issue. Cheap tools are cheap tools, and as with most purchases in life, you get what you pay for. Whether you, the all-knowing keyboard engineer, acknowledge that fact or not.

That's a dimensional problem unrelated to his claim.

This argument you keep making... 'It's the dimensions of the wrench, not the brand'. 'It's the serrations, not the brand'.

Well... do the other manufacturers have the serrations? Do they have the necessary dimensions? No, they don't- and that's the whole point.

It sounds like, if someone makes a thread claiming their Corvette is faster than your Civic, you're just going to say 'well it's the engine that makes it fast, not the car',so you're wrong'. That would be a stupid argument, just like the one you're making in this thread.
 
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Don't understand how a person could come into a thread like this and be argumentative...

I'm still fairly new, but have done a lot of reading and being argumentative just seems to be Steinmetz's way. Woodstockva nailed it on the head, check his post history, he sure goes out of his way to make a point to bring others down.

Woodstockva, I really enjoy your videos and reviews and I would be lying if I said your review had not convinced me to get Wright wrenches. When I am ready, I will be getting a set of full polish WrightGrips :D.
 

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My first experience with a snapon flank drive plus sold me. I was changing a fuel filter and the nut was pretty rusty. I tried a regular wrench and it started to round. I tried vise grips and it still slipped. I forgot I had one flank drive plus wrench and it was the proper size and loosened the bolt on the first go. I of course had to get a complete set after that. And they did make them in extra long length for a short period of time. Model # SOEXL__.
 

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Aren't you the guy that posted that impressive video regarding torque wrench conversions (or, how to multiply and divide by 12)?

Alright, here's the thing. In several posts you've leveled concerns about the validity of the OP's wrench comparison test, offered some un-tested theories of your own and even thrown around some arrogant insults.

So, if this thread isn't up to your stringent scientific standards then let's see your wrench comparison test. ;)
 

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ATTENTION.....EVERYONE.....

We are all inferior to the all knowing & all powerful Steinmetz!!

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

Thank you for taking the time to complain....yet again....and again, and again, and again.....

I would almost get offended if I couldnt check your post history here & can plainly see you do nothing except complain. I bet your neighbors love you. :lol_hitti
you and Steinmetz are two of the people I respect most here on GJ, so I was a bit disappointed to see you cave and take the low road and start whining about "complaining" rather than setting up a new video addressing his logical reasoning on why some wrenches fail and others don't.

It's the same reason I read the advertising-free Consumer Reports, they just conduct tests and leave the whining about complaining to someone else.

You make way too much money & free tools with your youtube videos not to jump on any excuse to make even more videos and get to the bottom of which wrenches perform and which don't, and to help your viewers understand why. You have the gift of very good presentation skills, so use that skill and don't write someone off just because they are skeptical and raise additional questions.

People jump to all kinds of conclusions about correlation vs. causation, and we need skeptics like Steinmetz to keep our brains thinking straight.

I see this in other areas of life, recently a study found that people who take ****** get melanoma more than people who don't, so everyone (including greedy attorneys) jump to the conclusion that ****** raises your risk of skin cancer, but a scientist/statistician/engineer would point out that more likely is the fact that people taking ****** are more likely to be chasing skirts on the beach in the sun than the average guy who is not getting any! :lol_hitti
 
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you and Steinmetz are two of the people I respect most here on GJ, so I was a bit disappointed to see you cave and take the low road and start whining about "complaining" rather than setting up a new video addressing his logical reasoning on why some wrenches fail and others don't.

It's the same reason I read the advertising-free Consumer Reports, they just conduct tests and leave the whining about complaining to someone else.

You make way too much money & free tools with your youtube videos not to jump on any excuse to make even more videos and get to the bottom of which wrenches perform and which don't, and to help your viewers understand why. You have the gift of very good presentation skills, so use that skill and don't write someone off just because they are skeptical and raise additional questions.

People jump to all kinds of conclusions about correlation vs. causation, and we need skeptics like Steinmetz to keep our brains thinking straight.

I see this in other areas of life, recently a study found that people who take ****** get melanoma more than people who don't, so everyone (including greedy attorneys) jump to the conclusion that ****** raises your risk of skin cancer, but a scientist/statistician/engineer would point out that more likely is the fact that people taking ****** are more likely to be chasing skirts on the beach in the sun than the average guy who is not getting any! :lol_hitti

I dont dwell on the past....especially things that happened over 6 months ago.

I put a LOT of time, effort, and money into making entertaining and informative videos, and to spend 8+ hours on a video, only to have people barrage me with complaints is not something I will deal with. GarageJournal and Toolsinaction are the only two internet forums that I now post to, because I hate negativity & the members typically have positive attitudes.

For the record, the money that it costs to review tools....FAR outweighs the money "I make off of YouTube". My wife and I are heading to Las Vegas for AAPEX & SEMA for a whole week here in a couple hours.....plane rides, hotels, food, transportation....all to get extra footage for my viewers & show them the cool new tools coming out. Reviewing tools does not come with an expense card.
 

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Thank you!

I would like to see how Proto fares if you have the opportunity in the future.
 

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The motto is, all research is good.

Provided its Unbiased. Who is unbiased?

Complete and Honest testing, apples vs apples.

All Conventional wrench's could be Compared ( ie NON- Flank drive Plus - or Open End technology / tricks) That should be 1 test.

The Comparison of a Smooth Open End wrench with a Wrench with Teeth is not fair.

I will offer MY real world experience now. Last month I went out to visit my Brother. We Put the Solara on the Alignment rack. Tie rod needed to move to fix the Toe. The nut was TIGHT. Snap on flank drive (not flank drive plus)19mm wrench was used. To my surprise, the snap on wrench opened up and could not do it. TIGHT

We left and went home figuring we would put a turn on the adj and use the torch to heat the nut. I SAID perfect time to test more wrench's. Before the snap on Flank drive Plus was allowed on the Nut......out came the super affordable DeWalt wrench. It bit hard on the nut and TURNED IT. LEFT ITS MARK, BUT DID ITS JOB. That thing was TIGHTTTTT. But a inexpensive dewalt did the job. I am SURE the Flank drive PLUS is Better, no Doubt. My point, teeth change the game.

DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS.
 
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One must wonder why the other tool companies do not use a similar grip design. It shouldn't add much cost to the tool since all wrenches must be broached, whether it has serrations or not.

Perhaps SK & Apex were considering fasteners that some tool users would not want to damage such as aluminum for the aviation ind and chrome plated fasteners. IMO it is almost impossible to round typical fasteners unless they are previously damaged/siezed or the wrench is used with a cheater.

The serrated design is great for those certain stubborn bolts though.

Thanks for the video.
 

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Very well done on your part. It worries me that Wright or the Snap-On dealer may have cherry picked the individual wrench of 25 or 50 identical wrenches that would perform the best at that test. Also, how about testing against Craftsman Professional and SK full polish long pattern wrenches?

Another thing is that most of the videos I watch include a lesbian scene; yours didn't.
 

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I have a set of Snap-On FD+ in combination and ratcheting wrenches, metric and fractional. After not having the right size wrench for a 1997 Chevrolet Astro fuel filter (20mm), I looked for a 20mm line wrench. Not finding one, I asked my Snap-On dealer to order me a 20mm FD+ combination wrench. To my disgust, it slipped. I ended up taking the filter off with a Craftsman Professional adjustable wrench of all things and I believe a Craftsman Professional 16mm line wrench. I always wondered if the material the nut was made of was the problem. The Wright and the Snap-On did a great job on the steel bolt in your video.
 

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In my experience FD+ will rip the corners of a fastener off. It never actually slips or spreads in the way that a normal wrench does.

If the fasteners are really degraded, as in a size or two below what it once was, its time for heat and twist sockets.
 

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Nice videos! I don't think I ever use an open end wrench for anything too often, but it is nice to see the designs at work! There are a few times I had stubborn EGR flare nuts, and a few instances where an open end was required, like a Saab 9-3 Ball joint... I used my Craftsman extreme grips.. those work great also... Nice to know how well the Wrights and Snap-on wrenches work.

Thanks for the efforts! :beer:
 

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In my experience FD+ will rip the corners of a fastener off. It never actually slips or spreads in the way that a normal wrench does.
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That is probably what mine did. FD+ probably isn't a good idea for a fastener made out of a soft material. Wrong tool for the job.
 
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