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I have been asked by about 10 of my techs in regards to tool boxes, especially since I've issued a minimum tool list and I strongly recommend buying better than Craftsman for those looking to be turning wrenches for a career.

Referencing SnapOn's contest between the boxes, what's your take on this? Please comment on your (the box(es) you own/owned only). I want to get some real world perspective to apply to my feedback to these guys.

I found it pretty interesting, but wonder on the accuracy. I've never handled or even personally laid eyes upon a Cornwell box in any shop I've been in but was shocked to see it as an equivalent to Craftsman.

http://www.theundisputedchamp.com/mainevent/

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they are junk. not to be rude, but they carry a 1 year warranty and just feel like they are not made well. I will not take them in trade, unless they are less than a year old...
 

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if you have a really good cornwell man that will take care of your warranty items on the box then you might be ok, but the guy here demands a receipt for every tool that you take to him. He doesnt keep boxes on his truck, he just sells the monster roll carts which are real popular around here....
 

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I've heard good things about the Cornwell boxes, but have never handled one personally. Maybe some more folks can chime in? I do know there are some significant construction changes once you move into the larger boxes...I think that change happens at 68", but I forget their sizing scheme.
 

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I've seen a newer styled Cornwell double bay on my dealer's truck (it's an ugly *** light blue color with a bunch of patriotic-themed decals...support the patriotism, but not the horrific design on this tool box lol). It does feel like a hyped up Craftsman. Even the locking design is almost identical to Craftsman's Griplatch.
It's price tag....like $5xxx. You could do sooooooo much better!!! It seems to be a decent size 56" or 58" wide and like 25" deep???, but that's it. Oh, and it has a stainless top on it w/o having to add seperately :bounce:

I probably would never own one. The drawer lines are heavy duty compared to other entry level boxes. And the chrome detail looks rather cheap in person.

I just purchased a S/O Classic78 December of 2008 in black with the chrome drawer trim/guards. Overall, very happy. Very good box for an intermediate tech.
Kind of expensive, but, you do get what you pay for. Not quite a KRL, but that can come later with advancement, if one so chooses. I think drawer depth over 20" are key! Maybe not so much the width, but depth. I find it easier to put more tool families together in deeper drawers.
I wish there was some way to test out all tool boxes before you made up your mind on one. I would've certainly like to have tried a Mac Macsimizer or Tech series.
 
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Still eager to hear more opinions on this. I just checked the catalog; the point where I've been told that the quality markedly changes is starting with their 67" (and bigger) lines.
 

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they are junk. not to be rude, but they carry a 1 year warranty and just feel like they are not made well. I will not take them in trade, unless they are less than a year old...

Hey, I like my Cornwell. I haven't seen any of the new Cornwell tool boxes, some of the carts look okay. But if I were going to get one of the huge boxes I'd get the Snap-On, those high end ones (not the Canadian ones) are tanks.


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Hey, I like my Cornwell. I haven't seen any of the new Cornwell tool boxes, some of the carts look okay. But if I were going to get one of the huge boxes I'd get the Snap-On, those high end ones (not the Canadian ones) are tanks.


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Except for drawer pull design that Cornwell box is identical to the 3 Craftsman 12 drawer deep tops I have/bought in 1981.

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Except for drawer pull design that Cornwell box is identical to the 3 Craftsman 12 drawer deep tops I have/bought in 1981.

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That's unlike any Craftsman box I've ever seen, it's a full 18 inches deep has completely different slide and a drop lid. I have and have had several early '80's Craftsman boxes none were similar, this thing is a tank, heaviest box of that size I have seen. Not sure who made it but I'd be interested to know (Maybe both Waterloo?). Is your a Pro series, I had some later Craftsman Pro models and they were quite different from the standard line. To me it seems similar to the Mac's and Snap-Ons of that era, maybe a MBC box?
 

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I have a Snap-on KRA. A lot of people refer to it as "entry-level Snap-on" and yes, it is the cheapest of their line, but it's very good.

It's solid, it's tough. Mine has taken a beating, including falling out of a van when fully loaded. The top has ball bearings, while the bottom and side have friction slides. Quality is good, durability is good, strength is good. In fact, i can't think of anything bad about it at all.

My bottom drawer pull had a slight bow where i kept closing it with my foot. Sat on the floor, braced with one foot at either end and gave it a good pull. Perectly straight now. :D
 
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That's unlike any Craftsman box I've ever seen, it's a full 18 inches deep has completely different slide and a drop lid. I have and have had several early '80's Craftsman boxes none were similar, this thing is a tank, heaviest box of that size I have seen. Not sure who made it but I'd be interested to know (Maybe both Waterloo?). Is your a Pro series, I had some later Craftsman Pro models and they were quite different from the standard line. To me it seems similar to the Mac's and Snap-Ons of that era, maybe a MBC box?


This is before Craftsman offered a Pro series as to say AFAIK, these 12 drawer chests are 16.5" deep, have the full cover that closes over the drawers and I had to order them through the catalog. Back then you could by the normal shallow 12 drawer chest for $179, these were $329 each. Yes, they are heavy, each one is well over 120 pounds a piece empty.

I'll have to dig up a photo.

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Not to beat a dead horse...well ok, maybe a couple whacks..

I love the video where Snap On gloats over busting the other guys for the "made in USA" label disappearing off of their boxes, kinda like it has been doing recently of the snap on tools.

Can you say hypocritical boys and girls? I thought you could.
 

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Not to beat a dead horse...well ok, maybe a couple whacks..

I love the video where Snap On gloats over busting the other guys for the "made in USA" label disappearing off of their boxes, kinda like it has been doing recently of the snap on tools.

Can you say hypocritical boys and girls? I thought you could.


...they never "break" one of their own, though. . .funny....ind' it? :headscrat:bounce:

Moose: you said you have a KRA....w/ bottom friction slides?! How old is it or did you modify?
 

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nato said:
...they never "break" one of their own, though. . .funny....ind' it? :headscrat:bounce:

I'm sure in one video they did test one of their own, a KRL. And it held up much better than the competition.


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Moose: you said you have a KRA....w/ bottom friction slides?! How old is it or did you modify?

It was like that when i bought it. The runners in the box are spot welded in. I don't know how old it is, can't find a date code. I'd rather have ball bearings, but at £20/drawer i can live with it as it is.

I'll try find a date code next time i move it. :)
 
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I have been asked by about 10 of my techs in regards to tool boxes, especially since I've issued a minimum tool list and I strongly recommend buying better than Craftsman for those looking to be turning wrenches for a career.

I love SO KRL's but you imply these guys are at the start of their careers?

If that's the case then I'd steer them away from the truck brand boxes until they are committed to a wrenching career.

There's nothing worse then a new tech getting in over their head with a high end box and then deciding wrenching isn't for them. The box they paid (or financed) a five figure amount for is now worth a low 3 figure amount.

I'd tell them to find economical tool storage and once they're committed for the long haul them go for the high end.

Tools take priority over boxes for newbies.

I feel it would be a big disservice to tell newbies to go buy high end boxes at the outset. High end boxes don't hold value.

Start off conservative and build up tools and quality as your commitment to the wrenching trade gets established.
 
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I own a Cornwell box.. I'll have to double check but pretty sure the production date is 2002. Its a 60" model.. the big 60".. its 24" deep and about 45" tall. I bought it used in 2008 as a package deal from a local guy who'd gotten out of the biz. When my box was produced Kennedy was building them. Its a HEAVY box.. has heavy duty casters, etc I have plenty of storage space (though I wish for a couple of shallow full width drawers) and really can't complain for a home box. The slides seem to be in good shape and the box holds anything I throw at it pretty well. HOWEVER.. this box has the "griplatch" type drawer handles and one of the handles the latch doesn't release/lock fully when you close the drawer without some "help". So I contacted Cornwell about buying a new handle. The response I got was "sorry that box was built by Kennedy and we no longer have a relationship with them you can try to contact them". Ummm ok. Then Kennedy basically said.. umm we can sell you a lock but we don't inventory parts for those boxes. Now don't get me wrong.. I love the handle/latch setup on the drawers that function properly.. just that one drawer that gets in my crawl and knowing I can't fix it.. makes it 100x worse.

That led me to the conclusion that I will NEVER buy another Cornwell box. I've got a S/O KRA box that was built in 81 and if I wanted slides I could still get them from S/O and the box is almost 30 years old!! This box is less than 10 years old and I can't even get something like a handle (which is actually part of the locking/security of the box). Kinda soured me on the box. Its still in good shape and it does hold plenty of tools without a complaint but having played with KRL series boxes, Matco's big series boxes and Mac's high end boxes I can say that it doesn't feel as well built. For my money the next box I'll own will be a KRL.. I like the drawer configuration options and the overall build quality. Plus the idea that I can still get parts at least 10-20 years later IS important.. because I really had hoped I could buy one large box and never have to buy another one.

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That shore is one purty box, Justin. ***** that Cornwell won't sell replacement parts for it, though. :shocking:

I may have to make a roadtrip and come get that from you. :lol:
 
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Wow they sure pick on matco a bunch, dont they.

I have owned a matco box for the last 10 years, and i have been very impressed with it. I traded my 2 bay 7525 for a 3bank 6s (bright orange, stainless top)

I looked at a 3bay krl in orange that our dealer had on his truck, but the estimate he gave me with a 19% interest rate kinda soured that deal for me. matco is much better about financing than snappy, at least in my area.

Plus i got a free keychain!
 

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FYI its not too often i put my toolbox into a car crusher... i will look out for them, however. I hear they are sneaky...
 

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For a young tech just starting out, have them look at a high end tool cart. Something the size of the KRSC31, 40, 41 or 46 series from Snap-on or the equal to them from Matco or Mac. Some of them are equal to a small roller (take a close look at the KRSC41) in tool storage area but will not cost $10,000 and years to pay for it.

If they stay in the business, they can get a nice box later down the road when they can afford it. Those "carts" will hold a ton of tools (which is where they should be spending their money) and last them several years before they outgrow one. Once they do get a larger box, the tool cart will still be used or can be traded for a smaller cart.
 
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I need to watch the videos again, is that Matco a 6 series? Also they didn't use the top of the line Craftsman boxes like the ones in the 1st few pages of the 2009/2010 catalog, which have a strikingly similar appearance to SnapOn's KRL line and at $8,999 for one they are getting up there in the mega bucks category.

As to a tool list in runs the range, these techs are industrial maintenance techs in large plants. The average maintenance shop has over 60 techs, and many of them have 2 - 4 roller cabinets. So these guys are working on wide range of mechanical, electrical, pneumatic, hydraulic systems, they'll do machining, woodworking, sheetmetal work, welding, so there tool selection is wider than the average automotice tech. So its easy for them to accumalate a large selection of tools over the years.

I've recently ordered Makita 3/8" cordless impact wrenches and Proto 3/8" drive SAE 15pc standard, 15pc deep, Metric - 19pc standard, 19pc deep 6 point impact socket sets, each received a Dewalt 18 volt kit with a 1/2" hammer drill, sawsall, circular saw and grinder for each of the techs to carry in their tool boxes along with new Dell laptops.

I am demanding they roll their tool carts/boxes out to all repairs. They've each have been issued supply kits which stock a wide selection of machine screws, bolts, nuts, wire terminals, roll pins, dowel pins, lubes, sealants, a few small rolls of wire, 20ga - 12ga.. All in all they each have about 120 pounds of supplies and they each have LED Drop lights, extension cords and air hoses in their kits. In doing this I greatly minimizing their walking (lost time) most of these plants are over a million square feet so a guy can spend 15 minutes walking out to machine and another 15 minutes walking back for a tool, so in doing this they spend more time repairing than commuting.

I was able to justify all of these tools in that I have over the next two years an average of 5 guys retiring and I am not planning on replacing them, so effeciency will be key. I was able to sell this program along with not having to layoff guys to meet upcoming budget requirements per our 5 year strategic plan. We do comprehensive training utilizing a combination of local trade schools, colleges and industrial trainers. My philosophy is I want a team of techs who can do anything, so that when they roll up on breakdown they can do what is needed. I have added a few new electic trucks/carts and the parts department which also oversees issues shop tools are now assigned to bring out parts and tools to a repair. If needed they'll tow a gas powered welder, or other large items behind them all that is needed is for the tech to radio in what they need.

So what I ask of them is to buy longterm solid tool storage, they too have to invest, I realize most of these guys are starting out, but they see that many of the older techs have old SnapOn, MAC a few Matco boxes, and there are more than a few older Craftsman boxes, which to me are fine, except they are somewhat limiting from their drawer configurations, but as we all know Craftsman's boxes in the last 10 years are nothing like they built in the 70's.

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For a young tech just starting out, have them look at a high end tool cart. Something the size of the KRSC31, 40, 41 or 46 series from Snap-on or the equal to them from Matco or Mac. Some of them are equal to a small roller (take a close look at the KRSC41) in tool storage area but will not cost $10,000 and years to pay for it.

If they stay in the business, they can get a nice box later down the road when they can afford it. Those "carts" will hold a ton of tools (which is where they should be spending their money) and last them several years before they outgrow one. Once they do get a larger box, the tool cart will still be used or can be traded for a smaller cart.


Yeah someone posted a newer Cornwell cart they go next to a "classic" 26" S/O KRA bottom cab and I was surprised at how much bigger the cornwell "cart" was. In reality it probably holds more tools than the KRA would. Costs a little more or the same.
 

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Since I've never so much as touched one in person, I'm kind of talking out my *** here, but have you considered the Montezuma/Extreme boxes? The members here who have bought them seem to be happy with them, and they're about 1/4 the cost of comparably sized truck brand boxes. Don't know how they'd hold up to an industrial setting though... sitting in one place is easy, getting rolled all over creation fully loaded is harder on a box.
 

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The need for an expensive giant toolbox is kind of pathetic. Its just storage for tools, and while I may LIKE a Snapon combo wrench, my guess is that more cars have been fixed with a Craftsman raised panel than any other brand.
 

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after my dad bought the cornwell 65" series (probably 3 years ago) it has been a good box until he moved it. ever since he rolled it around with all his tools in it bad ugly problems started to occur.

cracked edges where they paint the seams of spot welds, drawers don't sit correctly and rub on eachother (top to bottom), paint chipping on all seams.

i don't know if it is because of moving it but this just seems like poor quality. can he take advantage of the lifetime warranty on the box? he only moved it once and it got all messed up
 

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after my dad bought the cornwell 65" series (probably 3 years ago) it has been a good box until he moved it. ever since he rolled it around with all his tools in it bad ugly problems started to occur.

cracked edges where they paint the seams of spot welds, drawers don't sit correctly and rub on eachother (top to bottom), paint chipping on all seams.

i don't know if it is because of moving it but this just seems like poor quality. can he take advantage of the lifetime warranty on the box? he only moved it once and it got all messed up

I do not know for sure but mrshaun has posted that Cornwell boxes only have a one year warranty. You should really ask your dealer about this kind of an issue. Any answer you receive here will just be an opinion. (including mine)
 

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I do not know for sure but mrshaun has posted that Cornwell boxes only have a one year warranty. You should really ask your dealer about this kind of an issue. Any answer you receive here will just be an opinion. (including mine)

I don't know what the actual warranty period is.. but getting replacement parts has proven to be unpossible.. (not impossible.. just flat unpossible)..
 

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here is what the dealer told me and my dad when he got his cornwell box a few years ago:

lifetime warranty of any defect to the box not caused by abuse or altering.

lifetime warranty against paint defects

lifetime warranty only applies to original purchaser and must prove original ownership

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to me, i thought this was all a pile of dog *hit but i could be wrong. i don't know and i can't find out. our cornwell dealer switched jobs out of state and kept my mac 3/8" impact wrench :O
 

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From the situation you are describing, I would suggest used Snap-On KRL's and/or SO roll carts. Lots of used boxes are available, even from dealers. The dealers need the business. Because you require the tech's to move the boxes to the work area, the only boxes that will take that continuous use are the KRL's and roll carts. A tech could set up several different boxes/carts for the type of work involved and use a specific box for the job at hand. Depending on the demands of the day, the tech may be moving more than one box/cart, but that's ok also as they will have everything they need. I've owned Craftsman, Mac, Matco, HF General and now Snap-On. The OLD non SO brands were/are good boxes. Unfortunately, the non SO brands just don't make a good/great box anymore. Matco is closest to SO as a decent box. If the box is going to sit still against the wall with few tools, buy anything. If you are a professional person who makes your living with your tools, buy the best quality items, new or used, it's really cheaper in the long run.
 
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