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TheMadMech

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I moved from California's Central Valley to Wisconsin in October. Last night it dropped 14.5" of snow. I shoveled out before working 3rd shift last night and had do do three times as much when I got home.

We've got a small house and a small driveway so I don't need anything crazy but I've never had to look at snow blowers before.

What brands do I want to consider and what are some things to look for in a good snow blower? I'm an Industrial mechanic and in decent shape but good grief.

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Holy **** man! Where are you guys? We got 8ish I'd wager.

You're going to want something two stage. I have a Troy Bilt which is a fairly inexpensive two stage blower. 18" in one run is the most I remember but I did it twice. Once after about half had fallen.
 
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If I was purchasing a snowblower that was a walk behind it would be an Ariens or a Honda.

I'd love the one I had in Japan at work. It was a track equipped 3 cylinder Yanmar diesel unit, would clear sidewalks in one pass.
 

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Get one that has all of its controls for snow blowing at the handle bars.
 

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I disagree with 2 stage - they are heavy, slow, take up a lot of storage room, and although you can get larger sizes, they don't do any better than a single stage in smaller sizes. I got rid of my Ariens 2 stage last year.

I would recommend a single stage - the old two strokes were great. I still have my 20 year old Craftsman with a 5 hp tecumseh 2 stroke - very lightweight and quick, but I don't think they make them anymore. In single stage Toro or Honda are both good.

A single stage would struggle with 14 inches of snow (so would most smaller 2 stages), but as long as you do it in a couple passes it will do fine.
 

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Ariens are very popular. Their "special feature" is Auto Turn. They have a variety of models with various sizes, engines, controls, etc. Seems like the biggest bang for the buck is the Deluxe model. Some models are only available with an EFI engine which are still relatively new to snow blowers. I'd suggest staying with carb'd engines but that's just my opinion.

Toro's are also very popular and well regarded. I just bought an older one with the plastic chute and I like it a lot. Most all now have metal chutes. Their "special feature" is their quick stick chute control. And anti-clog system. And supposedly no shear pins. Some models are now coming with triggerless steering too like the Ariens.

Honda's are regarded as the "BEST" but much more expensive than the rest. Great quality and really good engines. They also only come with a hydrostatic trans. They're not perfect though - slow electric chute rotation and chutes clogging under certain conditions are two common complaints. The chute issue can be resolved.

I'd suggest putting your eyes and hands on as many models as you can. Consider all of the following...

Bucket size
Engine size (no replacement for displacement)
Trans (friction disk or hydrostatic)
Chute controls
Handlebar height
Steering (auto turn vs triggers)


https://www.snowblowerforum.com is a really good place for snow blower info.
 

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I would look at an Ariens or Honda (pricy) two stage. Looks for thicker steel construction and a two stage design. Have owned an Ariens for 10yrs or so, but do not live in a State that gets huge snowfall each year.

Spray some Pam non stick or silicon spray on the rotors and chute before starting. This helps prevent ice buildup. Also guess what is the number 1 cause of losing a finger in the US, remember to use the clearing tool and always keep your hands clear from the moving parts even if they appear to be stuck.

Good sites for more research.
https://www.snowblowerforum.com/forums/
https://gilsonsnowblowers.com/ Good tips and general info
 

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Two-strokes are a thing of the past, epa has ruled them extinct. Too much oil aka pollution. This is happening in the dirt bike world as well, the transition to 4 stroke aka thumpers has happened about 4 years ago.

I had an old lawnboy 2 stroke push mower and it was awesome.

Steel chute too, not the silly plastic ones that break when you have heavy wet snow.
 

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I agree with nafterclifen's list of features to consider and would add electric start to that list as well. I've had a two stage MTD for nearly 10 years now and it's honestly been a great machine despite being a lower tier model.
 

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I would look for a older Ariens 2 stage blower. I have a old Ariens ST824 and that thing is a tank. I paid $100 and it paid for it's self the first year owning it.
If your going new go Ariens or Honda the best 2 on the market hands down.
Last night we got 8 ish in NE Iowa and I blew it all away with ease.
Just make sure you run the good non ethinol gas in what ever blower you get to help it last and run longer!!
 

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I disagree with 2 stage - they are heavy, slow, take up a lot of storage room, and although you can get larger sizes, they don't do any better than a single stage in smaller sizes. I got rid of my Ariens 2 stage last year.

Sorry, but there's not a snowballs chance in hell that a single stage unit will perform anywhere near a 2 stage in heavy snow. Especially where the plow left it's mess. I'm not sure which ariens you had, but my mom has me come clear the end of her driveway all the time in heavy snow, and she has a nice older toro single stage 2-stroke.

With that being said, imho the Ariens "compact" line of snowblowers aren't machines that Ariens has built their reputation on. I would say the Deluxe and Platinum units are what is actually considered an Ariens.
 

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I got 6 or 7" from that same storm in Omaha and my new this year Toro Snowmaster 824 did really well though it did start to struggle with the thicker stuff from plows or where it was deeper due to drifts.

This toro is still a single stage but was chosen due to the easier to operate design(no gears) and lighter weight making it easier for my wife to run if needed. Farther north I'd be looking at a 2 stage unit, and if 1200+ isn't in the budget for a new one from a premium line I would be looking at used from Ariens, Toro, etc and making sure to avoid their entry price point models.

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Sorry, but there's not a snowballs chance in hell that a single stage unit will perform anywhere near a 2 stage in heavy snow. Especially where the plow left it's mess. I'm not sure which ariens you had, but my mom has me come clear the end of her driveway all the time in heavy snow, and she has a nice older toro single stage 2-stroke.

With that being said, imho the Ariens "compact" line of snowblowers aren't machines that Ariens has built their reputation on. I would say the Deluxe and Platinum units are what is actually considered an Ariens.

jonshonda got it exactly right. You can't go wrong with an Ariens, and buy a Deluxe or Platinum machine with as much hp as you are willing to pay. It's painful only once, and you won't regret it when you need to clear a 12"+ dump of heavy snow with temps in the 20's.
 

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I have a driveway that’s 3 spots wide and a cement pad next to my garage and 2x the sidewalk as a normal house so i use an old 10hp 2 stage here in Grand Rapids Michigan area. 90% of the time a single stage would do just fine and I would probably prefer it. If i had a standard suburban driveway and sidewalk I would go with a cordless electric like a snow joe. Sixtyfiveford on YouTube workes on alot of small engine stuff including snowblowers. He was pretty impressed with a cordless snowjoe
 

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Honda's are regarded as the "BEST" but much more expensive than the rest. Great quality and really good engines. They also only come with a hydrostatic trans. They're not perfect though - slow electric chute rotation and chutes clogging under certain conditions are two common complaints. The chute issue can be resolved.



Honda has resolved both issues. My HS1332 I bought last month has a redesigned chute to resolve the clogging issues. The chute rotation and adjustment work very fast. My only complaint is mine does not have interlocked levers for drive and auger so you need to stop the drive if you want to make on the fly adjustments to the chute.

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Sorry, but there's not a snowballs chance in hell that a single stage unit will perform anywhere near a 2 stage in heavy snow. Especially where the plow left it's mess. I'm not sure which ariens you had, but my mom has me come clear the end of her driveway all the time in heavy snow, and she has a nice older toro single stage 2-stroke.

With that being said, imho the Ariens "compact" line of snowblowers aren't machines that Ariens has built their reputation on. I would say the Deluxe and Platinum units are what is actually considered an Ariens.

This is simply not true. 2 stage snowblowers are much less convenient than a single stage and do marginally better on average snowfall. Saying you always need a 2 stage is like saying you always need a 1/2 drive ratchet for every bolt.

Anything less than 10 inches, my single stage 21 inch 2-stroke is twice as fast as my older, top of the line, Ariens 24 inch 2 stage machine was. I bought the Ariens because that's what everybody said I needed. It worked fine, but was just such a pain to use that I hated it. A couple years later I saw the 2 stroke on sale at Sears and bought it and loved it from the start. I owned both side by side the last 20 years or so. I literally wore out the single stage and bought another for spare parts. The 2 stage sat and the carb gummed up from non-use. The only time I used it was when my son was around and we needed two blowers .

Our normal snowfall here is 5-7 inches at a time. We don't get 14 inches very often, and when we do, I simply go out and do it when it gets to be 5-7 inches and do it again when it's finished snowing. Even if the 2 stage would do it in one pass (not likely with 14 inches), it still takes twice as long to manhandle that thing around.

My driveway is bigger than most - about 300 feet long, paved, relatively flat. If you often get 14 inches of snow, and you have a large driveway then you may need a 2 stage and you can put up with the disadvantages.
 
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OP has a small drive way small house.......he does not need a $2000-$3000 blower for 3-5 time per year on average. Decent Single stage would be fine......budget friendly, easy to store. The challenge maybe finding one in stock.........yes there on single stage POS that should be avoided. The HS1332 13HP 32” cut is NOT needed for a small driveway it’s is a great snow blower no question. It like buying $8k 60” zero turn for a small yard.

Any one of these would work fine:

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Older airens st824 hands down. Built like tanks, easy to work on, ton of YouTube/support parts. If you can m, either shovel this winter or hire it out, wait until spring and they come up in CL and Facebook for cheap. Paid $200 for mine a couple years back.

Mine is from the late 80s, and starts on the 1st pull every time. I do our 2 driveways, and a couple of accounts my BIL can’t get well with his plow trucks. It sees probably 40-50 hours of use per year, just keeping it lubed and gassed.

I don’t know what part of the state you’re in, but I’m guessing you’ll get 10-15 snowblower storms every year. I’ve used mine three storms already.
 
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My last post was getting too long, but I wanted to add I started with a single stage and couldn’t get rid of it fast enough. I felt like it pushed more snow it threw, and i felt it was more backbreaking than just shoveling most of the time. And it you got any decent snow (6+) where you’d want a snowblower, it was utterly useless. I wouldn’t recommend one to anyone. My 2 stage is only marginally a larger footprint in my garage.
 

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My Husqvarna 24" is starting its fifth year (I think) here in mid Michigan. I have a 500' driveway and a multi-car parking/turning around area as well as the approach to my shop and all the walkways. Not one single issue.
 

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Indygarage there are very few tools that work best for every single application, and a snow blower is one of them. I agree that for a small amount of use the OP's would get, a single stage would work. But the OP has to understand that when the plow comes along after the 14.5" of snow, he WILL be envious of his neighbors nice 2 stage.

My point is that saying a single stage is faster, and works better then a good 2 stage just isn't accurate. Case in point would be the countless arguments about track vs wheeled machines and traction. But as others have pointed out that spending a boat load of cash on a snow blower isn't the best idea, buying a Ariens Deluxe 24" is far from the worst idea ever conceived on GJ!
 

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14.5 inches through a single stage? no way, you will push your guts out.

the least i would have is a small 2 stage self propelled, tires and chains.

i have an older 28 inch murray 2 stage on tracks, a 4 foot 2 stage on a 26 hp mahindra and an 8 foot double auger 2 stage on a 160 hp new holland. i know a tiny bit about moving snow and snowblowers.
 

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After years of having a plow truck that is not the case anymore. In my area we get wild lake effect. When it happens its fast and much. We also get heart attack snow, then there is always the damn salt slop . My driveway end can get 3-4 feet deep easy due to plows and driveway slope. This is just for reference no wedding tackle measuring.
Couple years ago got a used Honda. Its not as nice as a plow truck BuuuT:
It starts first pull anytime any condition. Power out the ***. And even in the sloppy slop slop, never had a plug up. Hydrostatic drive is great. Its actually fairly quiet.

Maybe get a plow truck again when the body gives out :lol:
Dont settle cry once and have overkill.
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Maybe we can give him some useful advice instead of a big debate over single and two stage. If I was the OP I would go to a local independent dealer and look at Honda and Ariens. A decent dealer can guide you based on your driveway/sidewalk size and what part of Wisconsin you are in. They will know how much snow you get in the area. If you are close to Lake Superior you might get two to three times as much snow as other parts of the state. You won’t save any money at a box store and can’t get service there so why go there.

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Small house and small driveway isn't quite descriptive enough.

Maybe he moved from an actual ranch/vineyard/orchard in Cali and the driveway was 2 miles long off the dirt road and now his house has a 'small' driveway that's only 500 feet long. :lol_hitti

He might be in for some slim pickings trying to get a snowblower right now though. Some places around here only have like 3 snowblowers left by now.

Check www.snowblowersdirect.com and see what they even have in stock and for some more info.

Generally, I suggest getting the biggest and most powerful machine that you can 'handle'. Space and $$ wise.

No one EVER said 'Gee, my snowblower is too powerful. I should have gotten the wimpy one instead.' :lol_hitti

Choices:

- single stage versus two stage
- gas engine or an electric one (leaving out any industrial diesels here :lol: )
- size
- wheels versus tracks

A 'bigger' machine usually has a bigger impeller which usually throws snow better and farther.

I suggest no more than about 3" of width per HP so that there is enough power to throw heavy or dense or deep snow. Especially the wall of snow at the end of the driveway where the street plow left a packed snow/ice berm 3' tall and 6' deep.

So, 8 HP = ~24" width. Maybe up to 28" width, but that is a little weak IME.

With major use, you will have to replace the paddles on a single-stage machine every couple of years. And the paddles scraping against the ground is what propels it AND throws the snow.

With a two-stage machine, there is a drive mechanism to propel the machine. Usually with multiple forward and reverse speeds. And then there is an auger to chew into the snow and feed it to the impeller that then throws the snow.

Brands? Honda is $$$$, so I'd look at a higher end Ariens or Toro two-stage. Not a fan of a single-stage, especially with 10-14" of snow.

Personally I don't care for the Ariens auto-steer gunk.

I used to have an MTD 8 HP 28" two-stage machine. It was just OK, and finally wore out the actual gears in the gearbox after about 15-18 years of use.

I replaced it 2-3 years ago with a much better machine with more power. Same 28" width, but ~14 HP instead of 8 HP and about 100 lbs more metal in it. Toro Power-Max. It has cut my snowblowing time in HALF. No shear pins to replace in the cold and dark. More power, bigger impeller that actually throws the snow instead of half-heartedly (or half-a$$edly :lol: ) flinging it around. The old machine couldn't even throw the snow across my driveway width, soo I usually had to throw the snow 2-3 times to get it actually OFF the driveway (even after adding the rubber-flap mod to it). I usually had to take half-width passes, because the machine just couldn't throw the snow out of the auger housing fast enough even on the lowest forward speed to not have snow spilling out of the side of the auger housing.

Buy once, cry once. More power is a good thing. IMNSHO. :beer:
 

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Consider what you need vs what the GJ will tell you. I'm surprised no one has said you need a front end loader yet :lol:

Consider:
Annual snow fall - how often you need to use it?
Type of snow? Light and fluffy or wet and heavy?
How big of an area you need to blow?
How maneuverable do you need it to be? - do you have narrow winding sidewalks?
How much storage space do you have?
Do you want gas or electric?

You might find your needs require a better shovel!

I suspect you will be ok with a good quality single stage.
 

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I used to have a single stage. The advantage is the rubber paddles can clean right down to the pavement. Pretty useless with wet slushy snow or icy chunks. An 18" snowfall turned into a 4 hour project. A single stage is fine if you normally get 6" or less of powdery snow.

I bought a used Toro 521 and did the impeller mod and it will clear anything including slush. An 18" snowfall is a 90 minute project, but if you want to really get down to the pavement you'll be detailing with a snow shovel.

Ideally you would have one of each, but I would never go back to a single stage in the upper midwest.
 

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I’m in the single stage group too. I have a suburban house with a small driveway (24 x40ish) and walkway and a single stage is plenty for me. It’s lighter, easier to store and we just don’t get snow like we used to. Last year I didn’t even use it, we never got enough snow to make it worthwhile dragging it out. A big push shovel clears 1-3 inches in minutes. I think the most I’ve cleared with it was 8” and it did fine.

If I was seeing 10”+ in a day or had a larger driveway I’d want something different. Personally I think it’s a fine line between needing a 2 stage blower and needing a tractor. And you can use the tractor for things other than moving snow.
 

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Get a Honda and never look back. I’ve had an HS 724 since the mid 90s. Still going strong. I got a second place that I had to deal with and two years ago I born ariens deluxe with all their popularity and technical BS, I believe they are just junk! The second you get wet snow the machines front won’t stay down. Also with the stock metal skids on the sides the machine would wanna turn every time it hit an edge on the driveway, I had to upgrade or pay extra for polymer skids. Also nothing beats the hydrostatic transmission on the Honda you have infinite variability on the speed. With the Ariens you were locked into six different gears which may or may not be too fast or too slow.

I recently sold my Ariens and will be bringing my hand back-and-forth to both my places with my pick up truck and ramps
 

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Indygarage there are very few tools that work best for every single application, and a snow blower is one of them. I agree that for a small amount of use the OP's would get, a single stage would work.
Agreed, then why are you recommending he get something he doesn't need.
My point is that saying a single stage is faster, and works better then a good 2 stage just isn't accurate. Case in point would be the countless arguments about track vs wheeled machines and traction. But as others have pointed out that spending a boat load of cash on a snow blower isn't the best idea, buying a Ariens Deluxe 24" is far from the worst idea ever conceived on GJ!
I had an Ariens 24 inch - it wasn't called Deluxe - I suppose they didn't use that term when I bought it 25 years ago, but for anything less than 10 inches of snow, my lightweight single stage is much easier and faster to use.

It wasn't a bad machine, it was just the wrong machine for what I needed. If you regularly get 10-15 inches of snow, by all means a 2 stage is the better tool for the job.
 

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I used to have a snowblower...they're cute.

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Actually it really depends on the size and shape of the drive and sidewalks plus the type of snow you tend to get. I have a big and long concrete driveway with a minimal sidewalk. Before the ATV I had a 2 stage 30" Craftsman. For a large area of wet snow it is the only blower for the job. Powdery snow, even deep then a single stage makes quick work of it and is more maneuverable.

A big 2 stage may leave you with large areas you can't work into and you end up with a shovel. I can do everything but some sidewalk with the plow and I usually shovel those areas. I do have an old single stage that I'll use if the sidewalk has over 6-8 inches of wet stuff. I don't need it but if you check Craigslist in the spring you can get one for peanuts so why not?

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Consider what you need vs what the GJ will tell you. I'm surprised no one has said you need a front end loader yet :lol:
snip.

True. Was waiting for the Tim Allen more power posts. SO if you are going to go big then go big.


But honestly. I do like the ATV with plow route. No snow? Play on the ATV.
 

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I have a 27” Poulan Pro that is about 13 years old and has served me well, so I would recommend Poulan/Husqvarna for good quality at a decent price.


If you wanna spend more money, then look at Toro, Ariens, Honda.
 

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You can always call for a plow truck when a single stage won’t cut it or just get a plow service. I plowed with trucks using front and rear blades, tractors, ATVs 2 and 4wd and now have a snowblower and I will tell you that if i had more room a plow would be my first choice. Never used a lawn tractor with a plow though. I even had a geo tracker with a plow. That was quite the contraption but it worked pretty good and it had heat
 

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True. Was waiting for the Tim Allen more power posts. SO if you are going to go big then go big.


But honestly. I do like the ATV with plow route. No snow? Play on the ATV.

I'd say the 454 powered tracked snowblower wins the thread.
 

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My current snow removal fleet consists of:
A 4wd utility tractor with front end loader and rear blade
A 4wd JD Gator with plow
A 4wd pickup with plow
An Ariens 1028 snowblower

For years the tractor with loader did the majority of snow removal. It got it done, but you can only push so much snow ahead of the machine before you have to use the machine as a shovel. The plows are fast, but you have to allow enough room for future snowfalls, and can run out of room in a heavy snow season. The Gator beats the pickup much of the time, because it’s more maneuverable. The pickup beats the Gator when the snow turns to rain and you gotta clean it up before it freezes. The snowblower can do all our walkways that are too narrow for the other machines, it doesn’t care how much snow has fallen earlier in the season because it distributes the snow instead of piling it up, and this produces a more open result after heavy snowfalls.

If I was limited to only one machine, it’d be the walk behind 2 stage snowblower. And for those of you extolling the virtues of single stage machines for light snowfalls, might I suggest the use of a good leaf blower?
 
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