kctyphoon
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And Makita too..
So I guess Hercules does beat Dewalt.
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I suspect the warranty has more to do with being able to push the extended warranty plans than any quality aspect. Just a guess.
yamaha0343
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AvE didn’t think too highly of it, but either way I’m getting the popcorn. 12+ pages on this one.
I just bought a Dewalt. It handles drilling endeavors nicely.
I just bought a Dewalt. It handles drilling endeavors nicely.
ddawg16
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but you can buy an extended warranty
Easy to sound like he thought it was **** when he never shows you how crappy the other two drills are too.. Ave also said the 2.5 amp/hr rating for the battery was ********, yet CLEARLY it outperformed the others like it should have.. ave has a habit of finding the results he wants to, and then moves on.. he calls Milwaukee tools **** too, cause he's obsessed with the build process and materials used more than actual results. honestly, it even comes with a better chuck than both other brands. Yet he'll praise Hilti cause he thinks their clamshell case fits better.. really?? Who cares if you don't see the seam, I wanna know if it's stronger and faster..
Don't think you'd watch a video from that idiot tearing down the dewalt drill and giving them praise. They fact they last people 10 or more years is irrelevant in his eyes. It's funny when he makes predictions and most times he's way off when it comes to actually "testing" the tools.. watch the cordless earthquake video, where he "thought" the real torque was gonna be like 325ftlbs for the tool..
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KnurledNut
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The Makitas overload protection kicked in.
IMHO, That alone makes it the safest, and possibly the longest lasting, of the three.
IMHO, That alone makes it the safest, and possibly the longest lasting, of the three.
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Super bold move on HF's part even trying to get market share against DeWalt, Makita and Milwaukee. If the HF was half the price then yeah, I'd consider them. But for roughly the same prices, I'll go with any of the big three, even if the HF drills more holes per charge.
Richard Cranium
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I am surprised that the H.F. did so well,
Would I buy one, no.
Would I buy one, no.
Makoto
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HF used to be a joke and they've been progressively stepping up their game over the years. the price point is a lot less than the other guys (99 vs 160 or 200).
everything comes down to cost benefit value per dollar in my mind because I can think of countless examples of the thing that costs more being not as good as something less expensive.
everything comes down to cost benefit value per dollar in my mind because I can think of countless examples of the thing that costs more being not as good as something less expensive.
American Locomotive
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Yup. I bet if you completely stalled the Hercules and held the trigger down, smoke would start rolling out of the motor.The Makitas overload protection kicked in.
IMHO, That alone makes it the safest, and possibly the longest lasting, of the three.
The fact that HF only backs it with a 90 day warranty is proof enough they don't have confidence in the tool.
Ign
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So he's got the biggest battery on the DeWalt and concludes its the most powerful? The Milwaukee never stood a chance w a 1.5ah
This guy is a tool, too. He rambles on way too long at the end, enjoying the sound of his own voice. Looking at his shop, too, I have little confidence in his knowledge or skill.
Bottom line, anybody w a camera thinks they can be a great tool reviewer. No.
And no, I'm not hurt 'cause I'm a Milwaukee fan boy. Those compact drills have their place but for a spade bit I'd pull out my 2604, 2704 or M28 (the latter of which kicks the *** of the brushless stuff). Right tool for the job.
I use the COMPACTS for things like smaller c-sinks and 1/8" pilot holes.
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sberry
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They all made in the same country with the same stuff by the same people.
ddawg16
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Shsssssss........your going to confuse the faithful
James-W
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I thought the performance of the Hercules was pretty impressive. I have no idea as to the longevity of the tool, but for the average homeowner I doubt that longevity would be a problem.
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American Locomotive
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Many of Makita's higher end LXT tools are made in Japan.
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As time goes on I become less and less impressed with AvE's opinion. It's a shtick. An act. His online persona takes prescience over the actual content of his reviews. Apparently he gets paid based on how many times he says skookum in a video.
bcradio
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The brands have different engineering, designs, price point, materials.
Ign
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I disagree. I think he's ridiculously knowledgeable and has way more knowledge or experience than anyone on this board across an incredibly broad range of topics from plastics to metallurgy to machining to manufacturing to electrics/electronics.
He could be a real *** about everything because he knows more than 99% of most people, but instead he chooses to approach topics with humor. He's the type I'd LOVE to learn from. I'd just love to hang with him for a week in his shop and absorb anything he'd show me or teach me.
Furthermore, he's not afraid to make fun of himself and shows many of his mistakes/****-ups/******* moves. That's worth a lot to show that he's merely human and not just editing stuff to make it look like he's a god.
Unlike 99.9% of GJ AvE doesn't feel he has to prove he's smarter than anyone. He already knows it on some level but that self-confidence puts him at ease and he just shows a lot of funny but equally educational ****. He lacks that stiff engineer/clipboard/I-know-everything attitude that I just can't stand.
If you watch AvE's teardowns, I don't think so. Hell, not even the same country as the Earthquake impact which recently impressed him was Taiwan.
edit: and of course AvE is like ****: if you don't like it, don't watch it! Me, I like ****. So does the wife fortunately.............
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Ign
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.................and there it is!
Thanks for proving my point about why AvE is cool and engineers like you are not the type I'd want to spend any time with. If it makes you feel better though, that's something internal for you.
I really like the fact that he talks out his ***, makes the videos fun to watch and you might accidentally learn something. And like IGN said he is willing to fess up to his mistakes, props in my book.
Do you know how many engineers it takes to change a light bulb?
3
1 to write the proposal
1 to compose the 26 step proceedure
and 1 to call the electrician.
Ign
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The number one rule in any trade is you NEVER stop learning.
But in order to learn the information has to be provided in a way that can be digested and understood. I've worked with fellow machinists who were excellent with far more experience than I, but they couldn't share that info 'cause they couldn't convey it in any helpful way.
I feel zero shame in saying I'd love to hang out with AvE and just learn anything. That means I want to learn from people who are knowledgeable and great teachers to improve myself.
If it makes you feel better to call that a "man crush" I hope you can work around those issues. You can try to be the schoolyard bully but I'm confident enough in myself that I'm not concerned with your petty nonsense.
But in order to learn the information has to be provided in a way that can be digested and understood. I've worked with fellow machinists who were excellent with far more experience than I, but they couldn't share that info 'cause they couldn't convey it in any helpful way.
I feel zero shame in saying I'd love to hang out with AvE and just learn anything. That means I want to learn from people who are knowledgeable and great teachers to improve myself.
If it makes you feel better to call that a "man crush" I hope you can work around those issues. You can try to be the schoolyard bully but I'm confident enough in myself that I'm not concerned with your petty nonsense.
So how much are you saving buying a Hercules with an extended warranty and a spare battery that doesn't work in anything else? What good is a drill with just one battery?
The good thing about HF stepping up their game, is it will keep forcing advancement from the other companies, they will not be able to cheap out and get complacent, or HF will take their market share.
After looking at the link about the size of tool companies I have more respect for Makita, they don't dabble into other brands just Makita.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371396&highlight=pressurewashr
The good thing about HF stepping up their game, is it will keep forcing advancement from the other companies, they will not be able to cheap out and get complacent, or HF will take their market share.
After looking at the link about the size of tool companies I have more respect for Makita, they don't dabble into other brands just Makita.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371396&highlight=pressurewashr
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Virgil Cain
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Well said...
Really? It's easy to sit back behind a keyboard and make comments about someone's knowledge or lack of, it's another thing to put yourself out there and open yourself up to scrutiny from other knowledgeable people. I mean seriously, you have it broke down to 25%, How about some details? I personally can put some clout in that, Much more than just attacking other members with innuendo's about there personal life.
Sometimes people don't want to teach they feel threatened, I have ran across that in my line of work. They feel like they will be less valuable if you have the same skill set. I have noticed some people can only make themselves look good by putting others down.
I wouldn't mind hanging with AVE either, I like the sense of humor whether it is a Shtick or not, but I can see how someone uptight would be rubbed the wrong way by him. I probably wouldn't want to hang with that person.
That being said, maybe we can get the thread back on track.
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Ign
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If 75% of everything I learned from AvE was correct I'd still be WAY ahead of where I'm at now.
Plus things just aren't black and white. As life progresses and you gain experience you work in shops and with people who do things one way and believe something to be true. Then other people and other shops do it differently. You come to see that neither is right or wrong, just different. Step 1 is just to be exposed to the information and work it numerous different ways, then you develop your approach. Again, things are not just 1 or 0, life is not binary.
From what I've seen if an EE was sitting next to AvE and said, "No, that's not right and here's why" he'd call himself a bumblefuck and immediately fess up to being wrong. That's another thing I respect in a teacher - the ability to always just consider you may be mistaken.
Virgil, you need not respond directly to anything I say anymore unless it makes you feel better. I won't see it.
Plus things just aren't black and white. As life progresses and you gain experience you work in shops and with people who do things one way and believe something to be true. Then other people and other shops do it differently. You come to see that neither is right or wrong, just different. Step 1 is just to be exposed to the information and work it numerous different ways, then you develop your approach. Again, things are not just 1 or 0, life is not binary.
From what I've seen if an EE was sitting next to AvE and said, "No, that's not right and here's why" he'd call himself a bumblefuck and immediately fess up to being wrong. That's another thing I respect in a teacher - the ability to always just consider you may be mistaken.
Virgil, you need not respond directly to anything I say anymore unless it makes you feel better. I won't see it.
bobcatdan
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The Hercules is the newest of the drills. They were able to study the competition during development. Therefore if they are serious in going upscale which they look to be, yes they will aim to be better. Wait until Dewalt or Makita come out with new drills and see how they do then.
Ign
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Hell if the savings were significant and the battery platforms were unified I'd consider going the way of HF cordless if I was starting out, and I'd at least reco it to people starting out.
But right now as so many have pointed out they've priced their products to be barely cheaper than Milwaukee, Dewalt or Makita. And TTBOMK they've got Bauer, Hercules and Earthquake which all use different batteries.....I think??
Also I haven't seen any testing on how these new HF li-ion packs perform in the cold, but I guess if the cells are the same as the big 3 it shouldn't matter. I like my Milwaukee stuff 'cause it still works after sitting all night in single digits or low teens. AvE's testing has shown "no-name" packs to perform great at room temp and very poorly at cold temps.
American Locomotive
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See, that's bad. You might accidentally learn something that's incorrect. IMO, knowing nothing at all about a topic is better than knowing incorrect information about that topic. Not knowing anything about a table saw is better than "knowing" that "table saws can't cut flesh".
The problem is AvE isn't a great teacher. He makes you think you understand what's going on, but it's all garbage and incorrect. I see it in the comments on his videos, and I see it on here from people that watch their videos. They just regurgitate what he said, even though all of it's wrong and doesn't make sense.
Seriously. I have quite some experience in the electronics design world, and almost every single video AvE does about circuits, electricity, etc... has me banging my head against my desk. He confuses me on topics I am very experienced in! To the point where I literally have no idea what he's talking about. Every video like that I think to myself "If I, someone who understands this particular topic extremely well can't understand this, how in the world can the rest of his audience?". Then I go ahead and read the comments on his videos and forums, and it becomes quite clear that they don't have a clue at all - even though they think they do.
Yeah that's not true at all. AvE only addresses the glaringly huge errors that even his fanbase figures out is a load of BS. There are so many errors and mistakes in his videos that he NEVER addresses. All those small errors and mistakes just keep compounding and make it impossible for the newbie to truly understand his "lessons"
Oh please. AvE knows a little bit about a lot of things. There are many, many people on this board who are just as knowledgeable, and many others that put AvE to complete shame. AvE is has the classic con-man persona. He has a lot of charisma and talks with confidence - even though a solid third of the stuff that comes out his mouth is just baffling to people who actually know about the topics he's discussing.
Like the famous saying goes: “If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with ********.” And unfortunately, AvE does the latter way too often.
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