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bobcatdan

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I'm a mechanic by trade. Beside work, I have been doing side work for a while mainly on farm, landscaping, construction and snow removal equipment. It was fun for awhile, but I'm reaching a point that people ****. So that leads me to thinking about a change in the tinkering on stuff for hobby. I'm thinking of getting into home machining. This would be playing around for my enjoyment, not trying to make parts for people anytime soon. That could come later when I'm actually good at it and have forgotten people ****, but that is not a goal. So what is a guy all looking at to get going. What is a good starter size lathe without buying one too small that I'll want to off it in a few years. I'd want something that is a good general purpose size. Same question for a mill. From there besides the endless assortment of tooling for those two. What else is handy for home machining. Also what would be an order to get stuff? Main get one, play with until I'm fairly competent on it and the money is right to buy next the machine. I have a fairly good assortment of measuring tools so I'm at least covered on a basic end.
 
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A little more info on what you're going to be machining would help...large parts,small parts,gun barrels etc.
Maybe a 3D printer would serve you well for small parts.
Good luck
 
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A little more info on what you're going to be machining would help...large parts,small parts,gun barrels etc.
Maybe a 3D printer would serve you well for small parts.
Good luck

Just playing around turning metal. Pretty much just to learn how to do it.
 

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I just came here to say I hate threads with titles like this....

Hover your mouse pointer over the title and you at least get a preview of the first sentence or so. Often if the subject isn't included there I just move on and don't open the thread. I agree with you, if you don't include any subject in the title then how to you expect someone with specific knowledge or experience to know if they can even give it to you? Especially on a fairly busy forum with a ton of new threads every day.
 

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People who want parts made **** too. People **** in general. Can't get away from them. I see a lot of machining equipment for sale on CL pretty cheap and quite often. You just need to know what too look for as far as problems certain machine have and having the correct tooling for that machine. I see tooling at estate sales as the family sold off the machine , but didn't bring out the tooling and now it's at the sale. Not many folks know what it is and it goes cheap.
 

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Figure out the biggest thing you want to machine and then add 10-20% and start looking. Don't be afraid of 3P machines, that are under 10 hp, and a bit bigger than what you think you want. Unless yoiu want to spend time trying to make a parts kit into a decent machine, stay as far away from the cheap Chinese stuff as you can. Much of it needs lots of help and finishing to make it stable and repeatable. Some of the older Taiwan stuff is good. Old US iron is almost always good, though the lower cost hobby type stuff can be parts problematic.

There are a couple of sites out there that have guides on evaluating machines prior to purchase. Unless you are really confident, or it;s a screaming deal, try before you buy. If you buy stuff farther away than you can haul yourself, figure at least a buck a pound for rigging and shipping.
 

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I started out with a Smithy 3-in-1 machine and it did everything I was wanting it to do and a little more. I’ve since upgraded to a Bridgeport type knee mill for all my milling purposes and I have a 12x36 lathe. For me this combo is good as it covers everything I need to do. When comes to turning there’s no one size firs all as too small of a lathe and you can’t do big stuff and a really large lathe is just overkill for small turning jobs.

But to simplify your question
I say a decent knee mill although my dad has done some great work using his benchtop mill and a lathe with around a 12” swing and you should be in business.
 

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As GTO says, your going to have to define the work your intending to do. A lot if difference in making parts for a Bobcat than model engines. Assuming your going to continue along making parts for real machines then a 14" swing lathe would be a good start. A full sized mill, 9x42" table would be a compliment to the 14" lathe. You need to think about moving parts to the different machines for different features.

Getting a mill and a lathe is only the beginning. Now you have to tool them up. Kind of like a field service truck. You buy a cab and chassis. Then you spend that much again to get a service box, compressor, welder, vise, and all the other tools that go to make a workable rig. Tooling machines can easily double the investment that you have in the base machine.

Now you have to equip the rest of the shop to prep and finish the metal. Saws, grinders, drill press's, measuring and layout. You say you have measuring tools. Does that include hole guages, snap guages, height guages, jo blocks, and a host of other measuring tools that are not usually used outside of the machine shop.

My suggestion would be get some well tooled lathe that works and start turning. Consider this a text book investment. You will soon learn what YOU need to get the job done to your satisfaction. This is your first lathe, it teaches you what to look for in your next lathe. As your skills and needs change then you up upgrade. When up grading lathes and mills most of the time all of the investment in tooling will stay with you. Just like when you up grade service trucks, you strip out all the tools and sell the bare truck.

Buying decent hobby machines you do not loose your investment. Use it, keep it clean, and you will get your money back when done with it. It is a lifelong learning curve on this. So be prepared to screw up a few things before getting where you want to be.

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People who want parts made **** too. People **** in general. Can't get away from them. I see a lot of machining equipment for sale on CL pretty cheap and quite often. You just need to know what too look for as far as problems certain machine have and having the correct tooling for that machine. I see tooling at estate sales as the family sold off the machine , but didn't bring out the tooling and now it's at the sale. Not many folks know what it is and it goes cheap.

Making parts for people is not the end goal. I just want to play around learning how to do stuff then making stuff as I feel I'm capable of doing it. I'm not a sit in the house and watch TV guy, I'm out in my shop. Right now I'm not fixing much stuff and my personal stuff if pretty much taken care off so I'm pretty much just sitting around drinking coffee. So this idea is I come out here, watch some videos, read threw the machinist hand book. Then cut threads until I figure out to do it or run out of stock. From there practice another operation unit I figure it. This is what I'm looking to do. Making stuff for people would maybe be a random here and there for a buddy once I'm to a point I can make stuff in one try fairly efficiently, but in no way shooting to actually make money doing this.
 

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I just bought a Proxxon MF 70, haven't even taken it of the box. It was a SOS that was ordered from Lowes. Says ideal for lab, optical, jewelry, electronic, and model building projects. 110-120v,1/8hp, VS 5000-20,000rpm, x&y travel 5 17/64" and 1 13/16". Vertical travel is 3 1/8". Looks like it will cut steel, cast iron and Al and brass. Looks like a nice little bench top mill. Reg. $410, I picked it up at Lowes never opened for $25. Couldn't go wrong. May be small for what you want, don't know but never saw a tool I didnt like. Mike
 
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I'm very early in this idea so I have a lot to ponder where I want to with this idea. With a lathe, I want to go bigger than a mini. So that has me thinking like a 10x22 or 12x36. Big enough to do something, but not a monster either. A mill would be a bench top one. I have 220v so that is available, but probably stay with 110 machines.
 

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https://greenbay.craigslist.org/tls/d/marinette-engine-lathe/6799050038.html

Something like the above would get your feet wet. It does both metric and SAE threads. If metric is in your work scope then pay attention that your lathe will do it.

Spend a bit more; https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tls/d/new-berlin-south-bend-lathe-heavy-ten/6776967706.html

But in what shows up on your craigs list, this would be the first one I look at, https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/hvo/d/muskego-nardini-ms-1440e-lathe/6767154156.html

The SB is on the high side of price, but it looks to be at a dealers place and the SB name brings a price. Might be worth looking at just to see if they have others on the floor that might meet your needs. Machine dealers are a lot like used car dealers, some good and some worthy of the reputation.

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I thought about doing this as well since I already have a nice tree mill and south bend lathe. So I sent some drawings of a few parts asking for quotes on 10 pieces of each. All quotes came back half of what i thought a good price for me to charge would be. Now I just have other shops machine my parts and use my machines if I need to modify or one off things.

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I'm very early in this idea so I have a lot to ponder where I want to with this idea. With a lathe, I want to go bigger than a mini. So that has me thinking like a 10x22 or 12x36. Big enough to do something, but not a monster either. A mill would be a bench top one. I have 220v so that is available, but probably stay with 110 machines.

Do both, go big or go home. Do like I'm doing and just wait for the right deal to come along:bowdown:if you want it it will come:bowdown:
 

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Something to remember is that 10” and under lathes and bench mills fall right at the border between hobby and working machines. They will price out much higher than if you step up slightly in size. Bridgeport runs a bit of a price premium simply on the name.
 

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Grizzly G0704 benchtop mill and a G0602 lathe are about the largest you can run off 110v.

Both well supported machines with lots of info out there about them. If you've never used a mill or a lathe then they will be good to learn on. The mill is R8 tooling so if you do upgrade to a Bridgeport the tooling will carry over.
 

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What ive done to get around the people sucking part. I am VERY selective on who I will do stuff for. Like if they were referred by someone who ***** or had sucked in the past. Sorry too busy. It has worked well. Now maybe im missing out on a doing work for a decent person but it has worked well
 

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This is my opinion. Free advice is worth what you paid.

I have a machine shop that I use to make money with. My goals are probably different than yours.

This is something you build up over time, you don't just (usually) stroke a check for 100 grand and have a killer machine shop overnight. It takes time, effort and patience for finding good equipment and tooling for the right money.

All of this is highly dependent on budget, space, and size of work. Obviously a 10" south bend isn't going to be able to turn 8" gearbox shafts with any degree if usefulness, but they are great for making small pins, bushings and shafts.

I would consider a 15" x 60" lathe, a 9"x 40" sized knee mill and a 20" drill press the bare minimum. Smaller lathes can be nice for small things, but small mills just are annoying. 20" drill presses are easy to come by and cheap.

All can be found for very reasonable prices here in the midwest.

I would strongly encourage you to look at smaller industrial grade machinery vs bigger home shop grade tools. In my experience, brands like Grizzly and Jet are made as cheaply as possible and targeted toward home shops. If you're willing to look a little harder, there's a TON of nice machines out there for not much more money.

For lathes, I would look very strongly at a 15" LeBlond regal or a Clausing Colchester. Both are industry proven, common and easy to run. They are new enough that you have modern conveniences and old enough that they aren't junk. OLD USA iron is sometimes more trouble than its worth. Soft ways, lack of spindle speeds, just plain wore out. Still, there are some gems out there if you know where to look.

There's a slew of really good Asian engine lathes out there for really good money. They are made by brands that make industrial equipment. ACRA, Birmingham, YAM, Mori Seiki, and Mazak. Generally speaking, Japan makes the best machine tools in the world right now. Lots of decent stuff made in Taiwan too.

For mills, I will always have a soft spot for Bridgeports. They are the standard by which all mills are judged. Even though they are flawed and have some bad design features. Look for a big "M" cast into the base, that indicates a Meehanite cast iron base, a desirable feature. ACRA is probably top of the heap as far as imports go, SHARP, Birmingham, Kent, and ACER are all pretty decent too.

I'd get as big of drill press with as slow of a spindle speed you can find. Reversible spindle is a plus. Clausing is the standard here.

BTW, it never ends. No matter how big your shop, and how much you have. My machine shop has 2 lathes, a mill and a drill press. I want at least 2 or 3 more manual lathes, and 1 or 2 more mills, a radial drill, and some grinding equipment. And then CNC stuff after that.
 

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I just bought a Proxxon MF 70, haven't even taken it of the box. It was a SOS that was ordered from Lowes. Says ideal for lab, optical, jewelry, electronic, and model building projects. 110-120v,1/8hp, VS 5000-20,000rpm, x&y travel 5 17/64" and 1 13/16". Vertical travel is 3 1/8". Looks like it will cut steel, cast iron and Al and brass. Looks like a nice little bench top mill. Reg. $410, I picked it up at Lowes never opened for $25. Couldn't go wrong. May be small for what you want, don't know but never saw a tool I didnt like. Mike


$25? That gets you a “you ****”.



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$25? That gets you a “you ****”.



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It was a Special order that got returned, nobody knew what it did, my guess is that the person who ordered it thought it was bigger. I was in the right place at the right time. The deal with SOS is when they get them back they right them off out of inventory, so anything they get is profit, or they did at the time.:thumbup:
 

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If you are in the market for a full size mill, there is a Lagun FT-1 vertical mill for sale near you:

https://madison.craigslist.org/bfs/d/dousman-lagun-ft-1-vertical-mill/6780236186.html

At a price of $2,950, if I determined that it was in good working condition I would be handing them the cash right now. This machine is far superior to any Bridgeport that I have ever used, and they rarely come up for sale in my area of the country. I would be all over this. But it may be bigger than you want to buy if you are just starting out. If you are looking to actively pursue machining, that machine should serve you well.

In terms of a lathe, it really depends on what you want to do. A 12" Clausing or LeBlond lathe would probably serve you well. If you have your heart set on a 10" lathe, then a Logan or South Bend Heavy 10 would be decent choices. They are very well designed lathes for what they are, don't cost a fortune, and will allow you to learn the basics while not being so flimsy that you will outgrow them right away.
 

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