Someone has to know something about this… anything

[Jdm3]

I have looked everywhere on the internet for even a picture that’s similar, and have came up empty. I have talked to DV air, and Stanley black and decker, and have had no luck with them so far. Joined many forums to no avail either, so here I am. Just wondering if anyone knows about this compressor. I wanted to know either where to get rings for it, or how to make them, and really just the original color, it had dark green under the red. Motor patent from 1916, it has 2 belts, 2 cylinders same size, 16” wheel, cast says kellogg on body, but devilbliss name plate? This baby still ran and pumped, im just doing a little restoring and saving from scrap yard so she can run another 100 years. Thanks for any information, this compressor means a lot to me.

 

[Benw455]

I can't help but it is a cool project.

 

[LXCam]

That’s going to be a very cool project. I can’t help you on rings other then to suggest getting some type 2p cast iron and make your own.

 

[mikegt4]

A cool project for sure. Have you tried searching for rings by their dimensions? Bore diameter and ring thickness and width (measure the ring groove in the piston as well) will get you started. There has to be vintage engine guys out there that could find something based on dimensions of your existing parts. Good luck, hope to see a "it runs" post in the future.

 

[nadogail]

Years ago when I was working as an Automotive Parts Counterman we had catalogs that listed piston rings and bearings by their dimensions. Given the cylinder bore diameter and the width of the slot in the piston a set of rings could be assembled. Building a set of rings in this manner is not easily done, but a skilled and experienced professional could make it happen using the information in the paper catalogs and your skill with a caliper and micrometer.
I sometimes feel like many skills of Old Timers are Disapering

 

[slowtwitch73]

Jeeze man, a more descriptive title would help....

 

[like2wheel]

Years ago when I was working as an Automotive Parts Counterman we had catalogs that listed piston rings and bearings by their dimensions. Given the cylinder bore diameter and the width of the slot in the piston a set of rings could be assembled. Building a set of rings in this manner is not easily done, but a skilled and experienced professional could make it happen using the information in the paper catalogs and your skill with a caliper and micrometer.
I sometimes feel like many skills of Old Timers are Disapering

But that's only half of the problem, because many the manufacturers no longer print catalogs or provide web pages with that kind of technical information anymore.

 

[The Cobbler]

do you need rings or just want new rings?

 

[Hal]

Otto Gas Engine Works offers piston rings from 5/8" to 86" diameter.

http://www.ringspacers.com/rangcast.htm

 

[larry_g]

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KELLOGG VALVE KITS & CENTRIFUGAL REPAIR PARTS to repair your Kellogg pump. Easy to shop site. Tech help and printable diagrams.

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You might try the above company's. They have lists for Kellogg parts and may know what fits what.

 

[Jdm3]

Jeeze man, a more descriptive title would help....

What would you have like to seen bud? Tell me how to jazz it up a little to put some flair in the title! I’m dearly sorry for my lack of descriptions. I always got bad grades in English class, mostly for my lack of using adjectives. I promise to do better for you in the future.

 

[Jdm3]

do you need rings or just want new rings?

On both cylinders, the bottom rings are missing pieces, the pump still runs and compresses but I’m sure it would be even better with new rings. Also I’m scared of another piece breaking off and really messing the engine up. I will have to take pictures of the rings, i haven’t seen rings made like this before. Thank you for the reply as well

 

[Jdm3]

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[Jdm3]

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You might try the above company's. They have lists for Kellogg parts and may know what fits what.

I have talked to a guy from “champion” company and he said something about buying Kellogg’s old line of compressors. I’ll post his reply just for other people’s information if ever looking for it. I will definitely be looking at those links you attatched and thank you very much!

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Kellogg Valve Kits & Centrifugal Parts

KELLOGG VALVE KITS & CENTRIFUGAL REPAIR PARTS to repair your Kellogg pump. Easy to shop site. Tech help and printable diagrams.

mastertoolrepair.com

You might try the above company's. They have lists for Kellogg parts and may know what fits what.

I will definitely look into those links for more information, thank you very much for helping as well. Somehow a guy working for “champion” company got ahold of me and sort of broke down what happened to Kellogg and who merged with who, it’s all kind of confusing, but I’ll post his email on here in case the information will help anyone in the future tracking down the “end” company…

 

[Jdm3]

A cool project for sure. Have you tried searching for rings by their dimensions? Bore diameter and ring thickness and width (measure the ring groove in the piston as well) will get you started. There has to be vintage engine guys out there that could find something based on dimensions of your existing parts. Good luck, hope to see a "it runs" post in the future.

If you could help me along and tell me where and what to measure on these rings, they aren’t like other rings I have seen before, I will post a picture of the rings shortly. Thank you for your post as well

 

[BillK]

JD,
First of all where are you located ?? Do you have an automotive machine shop close by ? If so they should be able to measure your existing piston and rings and at least look up replacements. If you can post some pictures of the rings I might be able to help you but you really need some good measurements. Bore size, ring thickness and width ring groove depth.

 

[BillK]

What would you have like to seen bud?

I would have liked to have seen something like "Can you help me find rings for this compressor" I almost didnt look at the thread because of the vagueness of the title.

 

[nadogail]

An automotive machine shop should be able to fix you up. They could start with a piston and find rings from "Open Stock" to fit the grooves of the piston. In a radical case they might have to cut new grooves in the piston to accept the available rings.

 

[Jdm3]

ALRIGHT HERES THESE 100 year old rings I need to find/make!!! Oh thought I’d throw a picture of some 100 year old TIMKEN bearings as wellAND THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL THE INFORMATION AND REPLIES. This is by far the best forum I have been on searching relentlessly the past few weeks!

 

[Jdm3]

THE bearings and races are in almost perfect condition, I just wanted to add the photo because I live near the Timken factory, and although some are made in Taiwan, a good portion are still made here in OHIO

 

[Toothaker]

This is a cool project, so thanks for sharing it here.

A quick Google search of the patent numbers on the electric motor show dates from 1903 to 1922. You might have a compressor that someone assembled from a motor, pump and tank they had lying around. So focus on the pump's markings as you contact people, because the markings on the tank and motor might be immaterial and a distraction.

 

[LXCam]

Those rings are flipping AWESOME. No wonder that thing still runs after 100yrs. With that said......scratch my damn idear.

 

[dffay]

Try Egge Pistons in Southen CA. They are amazing and have helped the obsolete for a very long time.

 

[BillK]

Jd,
Interesting looking rings. I am sure I can find replacements. They might not look exactly the same but that really does not matter. Ring design has changed over the years, mostly for the better If you know the bore size and the ring thickness it shouldnt be hard to figure out.

 

[Jdm3]

I would have liked to have seen something like "Can you help me find rings for this compressor" I almost didnt look at the thread because of the vagueness of the title.

Well I don’t just need to find rings. I really wanted to know who made the compressor originally since it has two names on it, the original color of this so I could restore it the right way, and of course my broken rings…… but that may have been an entirely long title, so I wound up with that general vague description. As I stated before, I will try harder next time to impress.

 

[Jdm3]

Jd,
Interesting looking rings. I am sure I can find replacements. They might not look exactly the same but that really does not matter. Ring design has changed over the years, mostly for the better If you know the bore size and the ring thickness it shouldnt be hard to figure out.

Yes, I have never seen rings like these, if I got you those measurements do you think you or someone, or whoever could make these? Hopefully straying from the exact design wouldn’t affect anything in a negative way.

 

[Jdm3]

This is a cool project, so thanks for sharing it here.

A quick Google search of the patent numbers on the electric motor show dates from 1903 to 1922. You might have a compressor that someone assembled from a motor, pump and tank they had lying around. So focus on the pump's markings as you contact people, because the markings on the tank and motor might be immaterial and a distraction.

Yes very possible, I was always told that the motor and pump were always together. The tank I guess rusted out a long time ago. I add the motor just cause that’s the only thing that gives any kind of date, and maybe someone while looking up either or, can find something about the other. I thought it was cool that it had the Timken bearings on it. I didn’t know they were started in late 1800s for wagon wheels lol

 

[Mike Folks]

Another possible source; www.hastingspistonrings.com

 

[Smarkley03]

I have looked everywhere on the internet for even a picture that’s similar, and have came up empty. I have talked to DV air, and Stanley black and decker, and have had no luck with them so far. Joined many forums to no avail either, so here I am. Just wondering if anyone knows about this compressor. I wanted to know either where to get rings for it, or how to make them, and really just the original color, it had dark green under the red. Motor patent from 1916, it has 2 belts, 2 cylinders same size, 16” wheel, cast says kellogg on body, but devilbliss name plate? This baby still ran and pumped, im just doing a little restoring and saving from scrap yard so she can run another 100 years. Thanks for any information, this compressor means a lot to me.

 

[Smarkley03]

I worked for a company for many years that made piston for Devillblis. I dont know anything about you compressor but, if you give the dimensions I(can see if I have them or can get them. If I cant I can refer you to another company that may be able to supply them I need:
bore diameter
ring land width (off the Piston)
Radial wall depth (off the piston, the depth of the groove)
Hope I can help

 

[Smarkley03]

Otto Gas Engine Works offers piston rings from 5/8" to 86" diameter.

http://www.ringspacers.com/rangcast.htm

Try Egge Pistons in Southen CA. They are amazing and have helped the obsolete for a very long time.

Another possible source; www.hastingspistonrings.com

All good resources for the rings, Oh and I worked for Egge until recently. I also may have them but Dave at Otto Gas has alot more inventory than I have or ever will have, LOL. Hasting may have them , you can look them up by dimension here https://apacatalog.com/HastingsCatalog/Home/sizesearch and I will check all the possibility's out including me
Or message me with the dimension